Because a lot of mcees don't even focus on multies, but more on punchlines, but we've been going in circles this whole thread. You already know that.
The rappers who focus on punchlines tend to also focus on multis, so I don't know what you're trying to get at here. Rappers who don't use multis are pretty much a thing of the past.
First off writing lyrics won't prove anything, you actually have to hear him deliver the verses. Secondly false analogy, Mockingbird was just a terrible song in general. Try 8 mile, he isn't as lyrically complex in that song (in terms of multies) but it's still easy on the ears.
He has tons of multis in 8 Mile Road, actually.
So you got nothing? Cool
Prime Eminem's multis never disrupted the flow of the song. Punchline emcees inevitably jam them in there.
Probably cause it's still somewhat new, sort of like sampling was introduced in rap music. Everyone thought it was nothing but stealing music from other artists, now it's used in a lot of other genres. Still to say that other genres use it so that makes it legit is retarded.
It's not that new. And there is always overlap in music. "Sampling" may have been more frowned upon in the past, yet that was always rather hypocritical, considering the same chord progressions are used in song after song.
We used to fight for building blocks
Now we fight for blocks with buildings that make a killing
The closest of friends when we first started
But grew apart as the money grew, and soon grew black-hearted
Thinking back when we first learned to use rubbers
He never learned so in turn I'm kidnapping his baby's mother
My hand around her collar, feeding her cheese
She said the taste of dollars was shitty so I fed her fifties
About his whereabouts I wasn't convinced
I kept feeding her money 'til her shit started to make sense
Yeah because that's complete filler right? Didn't think so
And you think a line such as, "I kept feeding her money till her shit started to make sense" is GOOD?
Eminem says something like that and most of us are facepalming.
Jay-Z should be thankful he got the Premo instrumental to carry that song.
I also like how you automatically assume that metaphors, similes are nothing but shallow lines used in freestyle. Well I just proved you wrong on the previous point.
"I kept feeding her money till her shit started to make sense"...cliche, and hollow. Plays on the word "shit" are lame. Bad example.
"I drank Moet with Medusa, give her shotguns in hell"
or this
My man put the battery in my back, a difference from Energizer
First is a punchline...second is an "explanation" of the common urban idiom, "put a battery in (one's) back." The metaphor itself isn't Nas's, he's just turning a metaphor that had already been around into a punchline through the reference to the brand of battery.
It's obvious that Nas is more well read than Eminem, and he can make a lyrically complex track without sounding like a Canibus.
How is that obvious?
All I really have to do is point you to Take it in Blood, Memory Lane, and The World is Yours in that regard.
What about those songs?
Yes because I say so.
Take out your "Guide to Arguments" book and tell me what's wrong with this statement.
Who's even talking about Canibus? You associating Lupe Fiasco with Canibus is about as retarded as me associating Eminem with R.A. The Rugged Man in terms of multies quality. Do you really want to go there?
Lupe succeeds at making his brand of shitty verses that fool people into thinking he's deep. That's really all you were ultimately saying when you wrote, "and he succeeds at it" in response to what I had written. I was pointing out Canibus is able to do the same with his own brand of shitty verses.
Yes it does you stupid fuck, you're getting all insecure and brought up the whole race card in the first place when NO ONE was dicussing race anywhere, which makes it a nice cop out to accuse people of, if they refuse to gargle Eminem's nuts like you've been doing this whole thread.
Bringing up race doesn't make one a racist, idiot.
And you're basis for this is?
The fact that you can't effectively argue against Eminem without insisting upon punchlines being VITAL to being a great rapper (Nas and Jay-Z aren't exactly "punchline" emcees either, yet you're attempting to blow them in this thread).
Also, the fact that when pressed on the issue, you immediately try to bring up race helping his popularity/record sales, when that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about. It shows that it's always on your mind.
And you haven't proved why he's better than them at all. And don't get all prissy at me for bringing up sales to prove his worth, even though you weren't referencing sales in the first place you made assertions that Eminem was the GOAT without any evidence, and I said that the only concrete thing supporting that is sales. So stop trying to misconstrue my post and create hilarious strawmans, whic is all you're good at.
Except it isn't. His music is the concrete thing supporting it.
Maybe because he had corny lines, or maybe because they were GASP better than him...
Or maybe you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Eminem's past.
So basically you only use him being white to as a disadvantage, whilst ignoring any privileges that came with being white? What an idiot, I know that he had trouble being accepted as a white battle rapper, but you're just ignoring people that put him on a pedestal because he's white. Like I said double standards.
Nobody was putting him on a pedestal in the underground, idiot. Why the fuck should I talk about the "advantages" he has in terms of SALES
AFTER he was signed? What does that have to do with the fact that "hip hawp" elitists won't give him his due simply BECAUSE he's white?
His sales have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fucking point I'm making. Why can't you get that through your thick head?
So basically you're racially insecure, cool?
No. You and he are racially insecure. That's why you two feel the need to make general assertions about "black rappers of equal or better skill" when a closer examination reveals it's comical to even insinuate they exist.
Another appeal to motive here cool? And lol one of my favorite mcess is Dessa who's white and female, and no don't even try and accuse me of putting her there to be politically correct, cause that'll just make you look like a complete idiot.
"Don't even try to say this, because that'll just make you look like a complete idiot." Oh, what sound argumentative skills you have.
Sorry, but it's blatantly obvious you're adjusting every "opinion" just for the sake of the argument.
I know what the fuck it is you idiot.
Based on your Nas examples, it's pretty obvious you really don't.
I've been giving example sthis whole post of rappers using them whils not being placed ot of context so no...
And...? Why are they important? What do they really contribute to the song?
I'm explaining why punchlines are useless in my book. You're just asserting repeatedly that they are important and not going into any further detail. Apparently, 100% of the burden of proof is on me, but you can say whatever you want and not back up any of it and that's perfectly acceptable in your world.
Yeah it was burden of proof is always on the positive buddy, I've been giving examples though. And no metaphors aren't always punchlines what a retarded line of thinking.
The burden of proof is on me to prove punchlines AREN'T vital to lyricism?
And of course not...metaphors are something that are rarely used in rap music, though. Too bad you don't really know what they are.
You want to see what "metaphors" look like, look up Don McLean's "American Pie."
Who's top 10 yours? Hahahaha
Not that it should matter as top 10 are all completely subjective if we strip rapper's off influence and sales.
Name a highly-regarded rapper who doesn't make significant use of multis.
Because genres are generally all tied to one another. They affect each other. Other genres have impacted rap, and vice-versa. You can see numerous elements cross over. Multis actually didn't even originate in rap music.
And metaphors didn't either? Gues what they're used in poetry, and guess what part rap is based off of? GASP poetry.
Rap isn't actually based off poetry. You should really take a music history class.
Metaphors are commonly used in poetry. They're not commonly used in rap music.
More like Eminem sucks at them and you're butthurt other rappers shit on him in that regard.
Yeah, I'm really upset Eminem can't come up with shit like...I dunno...
"It's like I haven't gone through puberty, the way I come/cum so clear"
It just leaves such a gaping hole in Eminem's music.
If Eminem spits half the punchlines the "guys who shit on him" spit, people will still give him shit for it (and rightly so).
So Lil jon is a genius for pioneering snap music? It ran the radios and highly imitated.
Read: Imitation doesn't mean something IS great. But if something IS great, it WILL be imitated.
I could say the same for multies and rappers who just use big words to make their rhymes sound hot, but has no context being within the rhymes. Really do you want to keep giving fales analogies? Cause I could easily do that.
No. Great rhyming never gets old. I can play Eminem's "Hellbound" verse over and over again and not get tired of it.
Well that's just you.
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No, I don't think it is.
When someone rips it, someone rips it.
Brain Damage, perhaps the first few lines? At use least Rock Bottom. And no his songs on MMLP for the most part which has alot of generic I'll Kill you shit on TES rhyme wise whilst the latter has more substance in the songs.
LOL, you don't even recognize Eminem's rhyme patterns.
Sing For the Moment shits on everything on MMLP rhyme-wise...except maybe the first verse of Amityville. And TES as an album has better rhyming than MMLP.
Like I said, what Eminem does technique-wise with his lyrics sails over your head, even though you insist it doesn't.
Did it ever occur to you that the only reason anyone ever mind a video off of Kill You is because of it's popularity? Yeah I'd like someone to make a video of Gihad with Ghostface getting a BJ, yep.
I said "Kim," not "Kill You."
And did it ever occur to YOU that the reason they were ABLE to make the video is because of how vivid Eminem's narration was?
How would you even go about making a video of any of the other story telling songs you listed? Everyone is probably picturing something different. The "Kim" videos probably reflect what just about everyone was picturing...because Eminem is that good at illustrating what it is he's talking about.
Well since you've been giving false analogies this whole thread I might as well give you the same courtesy, right? And no Infinite is a part of Eminem's track record just like Juvenile Hell is a part of Mobb Deep's discogrophy.
You used one example to try to prove some broader point.
That's more like the suburban moms being stupid as fuck and him relying on controversy to gain attention, and it's not like they actually listened to the intro did they?
It still went over people's heads. Most people are idiots.
Yep nothing but generic shock rap verses meant to gain attention, but hey if you're wowed by them cool.
Uh...no. Criminal had nothing to do with trying to gain attention and everything to do with making the point that
other shit he'd said in the past he just said for shock value and overall entertainment. This song was making a point while simultaneously mocking those who don't understand the context of his music.
That website is horrible. They're just inventing meanings as they go along. I did the same thing with "Music Box" a few weeks ago. LOL @ people trying to speak FOR Lupe, giving 2-3 sentence explanations for the broad meaning behind every 3 word bar.
