Tyler, The Creator meets Eminem in Ireland

[MikeNUFC]

Yes, it's such a hard decision. He should go back to his Relapse style - an almost 40 year old guy rapping in an arabic accent about chopping people up and shoving objects up his anus.

A 40-year guy screaming stupid immature puns over and over, while making sure we all know how much he hates women, is soooooo much more acceptable, though.

[cityfan31]

Yes, it's such a hard decision. He should go back to his Relapse style - an almost 40 year old guy rapping in an arabic accent about chopping people up and shoving objects up his anus.

A 40-year guy screaming stupid immature puns over and over, while making sure we all know how much he hates women, is soooooo much more acceptable, though.

Even if that was a fair summary of his current rapping it would still be better IMO. He might have written some stupid lines but he's made some sick music since Relapse. The best of Relapse was awesome too but the majority was repetitive and average. Honestly having been to see him at V fest I appreciated Recovery so much more. It was an awesome album that will have a lasting impact, unlike Relapse.

[EminemBase]

Glad Tyler recognizes the brilliance on Relapse.

Also glad that an artist who's doing what Tyler is doing, and moving in similar circles artistically - actually said that to Em.

As I think Em has a misconception about the appreciation of Relapse. The majority don't like it, but it's about time he stopped listening to the majority.

Sick of seeing fucking retarded critics who have such a shitty, simplistic view of Em's music and lyricism say things like "Relapse should of been the end of his career", fucking idiots.

[Master Chief]

Does anybody realize that the only place where Relapse is liked by the majority is in this forum? Can someone please tell me that you guys are only talking about THIS forum when you say Relapse is more liked than Recovery? Not that it matters if it were a debate about quality. But, Relapse still gets trashed in the real world, other forums, critics. Sure, it's not as bashed and before but people don't like it like here. On TR, in my opinion, Relapse is extremely overrated. To the point of vomit. This forum would mislead Eminem and make him think people actually think Relapse is his best album.

[SG.]

Ken Kaniff

[EminemBase]

Does anybody realize that the only place where Relapse is liked by the majority is in this forum? Can someone please tell me that you guys are only talking about THIS forum when you say Relapse is more liked than Recovery? Not that it matters if it were a debate about quality. But, Relapse still gets trashed in the real world, other forums, critics. Sure, it's not as bashed and before but people don't like it like here. On TR, in my opinion, Relapse is extremely overrated. To the point of vomit. This forum would mislead Eminem and make him think people actually think Relapse is his best album.

Well that's very unlikely to be true. Think about what you're saying logically...

Do you think the people on TRShady have special DNA? genes or cells in them that make them appreciate Relapse differently to the rest of the world?

Of course not. The people here are humans. We all think in patterns, we're all predictable, we're all made of the same stuff. If a lot of people here like it, a lot of people everywhere like it. Just because it's not the majority doesn't mean it's not widespread.

Then you have the fact it's narrowed down to fans of Eminem. SO if fans of Eminem HERE like it, fans of Eminem LOTS OF PLACES like it.

Relapse is definitely not his best album, but it's definitely not trash and what's more frustrating than what you see as it being 'overrated' (which couldn't be less true) is the repetitive asshole critics who want to hear the same predictable emotional drivel out of Em's mouth calling the album trash. And people taking them seriously.

I've read the reviews of Relapse, and them not liking the album is no big whoop. 80% of them shouldn't even have jobs as critics as they're not worth the dust, crumbs and cum in their keyboards they write their godawful reviews with. Most of them are personally hellbent and bias, almost every critic I read is a fucking moron.

There are a handful of logical, sensible or decent critics but those are usually found on Independent blogs etc. - most of the critics who reviewed Relapse just... I mean, the themes of the album are hardly ingenious, it's not hard to understand. But his presentation and format is very interesting, and most of them cannot see past their distaste for the content or 'accents' to appreciate that.

It's not about whether you like the content, that's a personal taste issue, it's about defining and critiquing the aims. The aim of Eminem on Relapse is to come across as a sadistic, sophisticated, strange, slap-happy maniac / killer / drug fiend and yada yada. So the question as a critic, is not "do I like that idea?" as anybody can ask themselves that. The question is "did the artist achieve his aims?" or some other question that examines the result over intent.

Not everybody can examine an artist's result and critique and break it down well. But anybody can give an opinion. So if all these critics are going to do is give their opinion, they're literally fucking useless and do not deserve the title (though it's hardly an honorable one) of 'critic'.

So if I was Em, or any artist, I wouldn't be too worried about those turds not approving of my material. I'd be more concerned about my peers and like-minded people who get my vision or artistry approving of it. Even then, it shouldn't matter, all that matters is what YOU think.

Plenty of work gets trashed early-on and then later praised too. For plenty of reasons. Stanley Kubrick's films are a prime example of that. And one of the likely reasons for Relapse being more trashed than it deserves is due to the fact it was his comeback album and it was about what it was about, and presented the way it was.

The reaction to Recovery was far more fitting and realistic. The basic overall consensus was that it was a consistent lyrical and rapping performance from Em, and shitty, loud production. Which, is pretty much spot-on.

Where as the consensus from most on Relapse was that it was 'silly' (so any accent that is not distinctly American is 'silly' now? this doesn't look so good coming from American critics... Americans, who already get accused by the world of being culturally ignorant and egotistical) accents and bad music. Where as... if you appreciate rhyming and flows at all, there's no way you could arrive at that consensus, regardless of whether you like the content or style(s).

Which to me just proves that the majority consensus is misguided and untrue. Critics and people were so eager, as they are when any big artist returns, to pick apart the comeback - ESPECIALLY Eminem given how tongue-in-cheek, provocative, dismissive and loudmouth (as an artist) he was. But mainly I think it's just people couldn't see past the strange presentation.

I do remember one critic saying something like it was "a master toying with form" and that it was "abstract" though. Which is much more like it. And on-point.

[Mahmoud48]

Damn MC just got BASED

[Mr Change]

Damn MC just got BASED

Gettin 'based'

I like the sound of that, it's got a nice ring to it don't it?

[Master Chief]

Well that's very unlikely to be true. Think about what you're saying logically...

Do you think the people on TRShady have special DNA? genes or cells in them that make them appreciate Relapse differently to the rest of the world?

Of course not. The people here are humans. We all think in patterns, we're all predictable, we're all made of the same stuff. If a lot of people here like it, a lot of people everywhere like it. Just because it's not the majority doesn't mean it's not widespread.

Then you have the fact it's narrowed down to fans of Eminem. SO if fans of Eminem HERE like it, fans of Eminem LOTS OF PLACES like it.

Of course, there's people everywhere in every single corner of the planet that like Relapse. It would be a lie to say that Relapse is universally hated, it's not. It just gets very mixed reviwes (not talking about critics here) in most places. Here, in TRShady, it seems like a domino effect. It seems that it became "in" to like Relapse and I don't want anyone to come in here bitching about how that's not true and that I'm a blind Recovery fanboy and I'm jealous because Relapse is more appreciated than my beloved Recovery in an almost dead forum. Anyways lol, yes I know it's widespread but I was only referring to the fact that the majority of people don't look at Relapse as superior to Recovery.

Not that it matters in the slightest, if this was debate about the quality of Recovery I would have no business bringing this up. I was just responding to some posts in this thread.

Relapse is definitely not his best album, but it's definitely not trash and what's more frustrating than what you see as it being 'overrated' (which couldn't be less true) is the repetitive asshole critics who want to hear the same predictable emotional drivel out of Em's mouth calling the album trash. And people taking them seriously.

I've read the reviews of Relapse, and them not liking the album is no big whoop. 80% of them shouldn't even have jobs as critics as they're not worth the dust, crumbs and cum in their keyboards they write their godawful reviews with. Most of them are personally hellbent and bias, almost every critic I read is a fucking moron.

Overrated on this forum. Some people here think Relapse is on the level of his first three albums. Some even think it's better than TES which is arguably a completely 100% false statement. Relapse is underappreciated by critics, I agree. Critics that review Relapse (and all of Eminem's albums for that matter) are complete idiots. Relapse is not trash, in my eyes. I like the album and can appreciate the intricate rhyming and the mesmerizing flows. I just think the usage of the accent is hit and miss. The content IS and is executed horribly in a few songs in Relapse. On top of that, it's very inconsistent in terms of quality. And it has 2 horrible songs, 1 below average song, and 3 fillers. The rest of the albums ranges from decent (Hello, Underground) to amazing (Stay Wide Awake, Deja Vu and 3 AM).

It's not about whether you like the content, that's a personal taste issue, it's about defining and critiquing the aims. The aim of Eminem on Relapse is to come across as a sadistic, sophisticated, strange, slap-happy maniac / killer / drug fiend and yada yada. So the question as a critic, is not "do I like that idea?" as anybody can ask themselves that. The question is "did the artist achieve his aims?" or some other question that examines the result over intent.

Not everybody can examine an artist's result and critique and break it down well. But anybody can give an opinion. So if all these critics are going to do is give their opinion, they're literally fucking useless and do not deserve the title (though it's hardly an honorable one) of 'critic'.

So if I was Em, or any artist, I wouldn't be too worried about those turds not approving of my material. I'd be more concerned about my peers and like-minded people who get my vision or artistry approving of it. Even then, it shouldn't matter, all that matters is what YOU think.

We know, Eminem was aiming to come across as a deranged, serial killer, maniac etc. but he wasn't consistent in doing so. I mean, Crack A Bottle, Beautiful, Deja Vu (despite the fact that it's the best song of the album) aren't exactly that. Deja Vu fits the sound of Relapse but not the character he was trying to portray. I never implied that it matters at all that Relapse is not very well-recieved, I just tried to let the people on this thread saying "Omg, it s33ms lik now Tha Relapze is morrre betta & likkk'd thun Tha Recuveryz " that they're wrong. They can love Relapse as much as they want but they have to face the facts as irrelevant or unimportant as they are to them.

Plenty of work gets trashed early-on and then later praised too. For plenty of reasons. Stanly Kubrick's films are a prime example of that. And one of the likely reasons for Relapse being more trashed than it deserves is due to the fact it was his comeback album and it was about what it was about, and presented the way it was.

The reaction to Recovery was far more fitting and realistic. The basic overall consensus was that it was a consistent lyrical and rapping performance from Em, and shitty, loud production. Which, is pretty much spot-on.

Where as the consensus from most on Relapse was that it was 'silly' (so any accent that is not distinctly American is 'silly' now? this doesn't look so good coming from American critics... Americans, who already get accused by the world of being culturally ignorant and egotistical) accents and bad music. Where as... if you appreciate rhyming and flows at all, there's no way you could arrive at that consensus, regardless of whether you like the content or style(s).

Which to me just proves that the majority consensus is misguided and untrue. Critics and people were so eager, as they are when any big artist returns, to pick apart the comeback - ESPECIALLY Eminem given how tongue-in-cheek, provocative, dismissive and loudmouth (as an artist) he was. But mainly I think it's just people couldn't see past the strange presentation.

I do remember one critic saying something like it was "a master toying with form" and that it was "abstract" though. Which is much more like it. And on-point.

Honestly, the accent sounded ridiculous on some songs. If used it as effectively as it's used in SWA then I would have no problem with it and I doubt it would get as much hate.

Once again, I don't agree with the critics at all so I understand where you're coming from.

[Satire]

I almost thought, with him and the whole WTT debate/discussion blazing wild among the hip hop sections and such, that Mahmoud wasn't in the top 10 most useless members I've ever witnessed on a public forum. But he always concocts new intricate and innovative methods to prove me wrong on this. Boy do I feel stupid.

[Master Chief]

Damn MC just got BASED

Well, I'm glad to see that after years of insulting your pathetic existance you finally decide to follow my posts and retaliate with vintage Mahmoud remarks. You're kinda like the DA! to my Class now. The difference is that I'm not an idiot, of course and DA! is actually a good member.

I'm proud of you though. You're still a worthless human being that could die tomorrow for all I care.

[Mr Change]

Damn MC just got BASED

Well, I'm glad to see that after years of insulting your pathetic existance you finally decide to follow my posts and retaliate with vintage Mahmoud remarks. You're kinda like the DA! to my Class now. The difference is that I'm not an idiot, of course and DA! is actually a good member.

I'm proud of you though. You're still a worthless human being that could die tomorrow for all I care.

But I think I might have to go with MC on this one...

The accents really bring down some of the songs, and their really isn't an excuse for that. That really brings down alot of my opinion of the album. Plus, in the end, I believe he failed at re-creating classic shady and instead made a new character that didn't fit his Slim Shady persona.

Still like the album though

[Mahmoud48]

Damn MC just got BASED

Well, I'm glad to see that after years of insulting your pathetic existance you finally decide to follow my posts and retaliate with vintage Mahmoud remarks. You're kinda like the DA! to my Class now. The difference is that I'm not an idiot, of course and DA! is actually a good member.

I'm proud of you though. You're still a worthless human being that could die tomorrow for all I care.

don't worry u can go back to insulting me i wont retaliate its just the internet lolz

[deaneedog]

Congratulations Tyler, would be a dream come true. Lol Hopsin will be mad that he's not up there as to be honest he is the one the deserves it. Props to Tyler to telling Em how much he loves relapse .

Tried liking Tyler but to be honest his music is just meh.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Damn MC just got BASED

Well, I'm glad to see that after years of insulting your pathetic existance you finally decide to follow my posts and retaliate with vintage Mahmoud remarks. You're kinda like the DA! to my Class now. The difference is that I'm not an idiot, of course and DA! is actually a good member.

I'm proud of you though. You're still a worthless human being that could die tomorrow for all I care.

what is wrong with MC though?

all the long ass posts and shit,you changed.

oh and @ the comparison