Eminem's best vs. Everyone else's

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@Fleka, your entire post is dumb tbfh, lol @ people never cared for rap, lol @ "we get that you like other rappers more than Eminem" .. smh

I never said that people never cared for rap. Em attracts more people to rap than any other rapper. And I ain`t even gonna argue anymore, when you say that one of the greatest musicians ever (and the greatest rapper) isn`t influential, well you are just talking shit.

at the moment, lil wayne attracts more people than eminem sorry
what you said applied to 2001-2004 (not even counting the slim shady lp era, he wasn't that mainstream until his second major album)

and you think him attracting some following kids during that time period makes him hip hops savior?
once again, this might be news to you, but hip hop was buzzin before eminem.. and it was after him (during his hiatus) and it will be after his complete retirement.. he had 3-4 years of mainstream reign, in which he attracted all the people that bought 2pacs old cds and lil waynes carter albums? nope, sorry

one of the greatest musicians ever alright if you think that, but keep in mind hes garbage to the local biker gang around the corner..his musical impact is still very debatable ..not influence on pop culture and sales.. strictly on hip hop.. you cant deny that

haha, that's ironic because just the other day some bikers pulled up on the side me and my aunt and they were playing Amityville.

Continue on with the debate

[Spyder]

rap wouldnt be the same without Em

rap would be better without Wayne, dont play yourself name

you can troll better than that dawg

[NextEpisode]

It's quite funny (sad) how people try to belittle Eminem's impact on hip hop... Especially since A LOT of people on TRShady was introduced to hiphip through Eminem, and has since bought other rap-artists' music. Who you think brought rap to the level it is right now WORLDWIDE?...

[12characters]

rap wouldnt be the same without Em

rap would be better without Wayne, dont play yourself name

you can troll better than that dawg

fun fact: i always like reading Spyder's comments, even when i don't agree with them. they're just so real.

[Fleka]

At this moment, this is the example of the most popular music in my country. It attracts tons of people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpZoGzMj7Sg
Clubs that play that music are always full. And that kind of music is the biggest crap ever. I would rather die than listen to that. But people love it. If it`s popular, it doesn`t mean it`s good.

And when did I say that Eminem is hip hop`s saviour? He is one of the greatest (the greatest in my opinion) and he, along with others, made rap what it is today. He did more for rap than Wayne.
Tell me what other MC you heard rapping about killing his wife, about all of his personal life and crazy shit like trying to rape a fat chick who then eats his leg and get as big as Em is? He literally showed, that if you are good, you can rap about anything, you don´t need to a gangster or have 10 cars and 8 houses. What other MC you know that, when you hear his voice and the way he is rapping, you don`t need to understand shit, but you know he`s mad, dead serious or that he is making fun of someone. Who can make a video where he is dressed as Elvis or like his own mother and go #1 on charts. Em ruled the world and you say he has no influence.

And even the bikers like him. Props to 12characters.

[Blu]

one of the greatest musicians ever alright if you think that, but keep in mind hes garbage to the local biker gang around the corner..his musical impact is still very debatable ..not influence on pop culture and sales.. strictly on hip hop.. you cant deny that

Lol, it's funny because that could apply to any artist, ever.

[Man1x]

^ Your a fan? HAHAHAHAHA, dude go back to the shadows of this site because you are wrong on many counts. He most certainly has influenced fucking rappers. For example, OFWGKTADGAF, Kendrick Lamar (there are traces of Eminem influence, however more 2Pac), Yelawolf (Again, traces), and many underground rappers. There are more I can list if I took the time (ie, Hopsin, SwizZz). Eminem's impact in now just being felt influence wise because the people he influenced are the people raising into the mainstream today. I mean it takes time to have that kind of impact because your audience needs to grow up and get into the business. I mean the day Eminem came out you didn't see a massive shift to his style but it's happening now and to deny that shit is just ignorance. In addition, I feel you just have a bone to pick with Eminem's music because he was controversial. Bitch, go listen to his emotional tracks if you don't to relate to raping and beating women (which even he can't relate to because it was a fucking GIMMICK). And to say he isn't humble is on some bullshit too, he is probably the most humble rapper to ever rise to success. So take your own advice and don't impose your opinion on others, esp. when your wrong. "Ha just kidding, you know I love you." - Eminem

[Kill You]

It's quite funny (sad) how people try to belittle Eminem's impact on hip hop... Especially since A LOT of people on TRShady was introduced to hiphip through Eminem, and has since bought other rap-artists' music. Who you think brought rap to the level it is right now WORLDWIDE?...

when will you people understand that getting people into a music genre and helping the music genre progress by paving the way for others or influencing fellow musicians are 2 entirely different things?

ill say it one LAST time..

YES, eminem got people into hip hop, yet most of the people he got into hip hop only listen to him, or only did so because it was cool at the time

NO, eminem did not influence a lot of rappers that came after him.

these are SEPERATE things. he couldve turned hip hop from a local phenomenon to a worldwide success, yet if people rather base their style off other already existing rappers, he isn't influential to OTHER ARTISTS.

if you still don't get that, it wasn't meant for you to get.

1) Horrible assumption that people who got into hip hop through Eminem only listen to Eminem...smh.

2) How the hell do you know which rapper's he's influenced or not? Have you spoken to every rapper in the world to find out who influenced them? Another horrible-ass assumption. Really, you don't know if he influences other rappers or not, you're just talking out of your ass. Smfh at that too.

You are working VERY hard to prove something that isn't true, for whatever reason. You should put that effort to better use.

[Man1x]

^ Your a fan? HAHAHAHAHA, dude go back to the shadows of this site because you are wrong on many counts. He most certainly has influenced fucking rappers. For example, OFWGKTADGAF, Kendrick Lamar (there are traces of Eminem influence, however more 2Pac), Yelawolf (Again, traces), and many underground rappers. There are more I can list if I took the time (ie, Hopsin, SwizZz). Eminem's impact in now just being felt influence wise because the people he influenced are the people raising into the mainstream today. I mean it takes time to have that kind of impact because your audience needs to grow up and get into the business. I mean the day Eminem came out you didn't see a massive shift to his style but it's happening now and to deny that shit is just ignorance. In addition, I feel you just have a bone to pick with Eminem's music because he was controversial. Bitch, go listen to his emotional tracks if you don't to relate to raping and beating women (which even he can't relate to because it was a fucking GIMMICK). And to say he isn't humble is on some bullshit too, he is probably the most humble rapper to ever rise to success. So take your own advice and don't impose your opinion on others, esp. when your wrong. "Ha just kidding, you know I love you." - Eminem

1) i said earlier, ill give you tyler
2) yea, 2pac
3) unrelatable gimmick music = classic?
4) i never said he wasn't humble, in fact said he wasn't the only humble one... basic reading
5) i'm not imposing my opinion on anyone, i'm just opposing false/dumb/ignorant statements. i don't care what you think or if you agree, you're not important to me.

any questions left?

Gimmick Music doesn't equal classic most of the time, but his gimmicks are more realistic. For example, Kim is the emotion that some people would feel if they got a divorce, of course he never did it. Second, I fail to see one Gimmick on The Eminem Show and to say you can't relate to one song that album and even a majority of the Marshall Mathers LP then that just means your a heartless human being. And fair enough on your third point, however your second point is incomplete. Kendrick has Eminem influence, it shows in his music and I even remember reading it in one of his interviews a while back. However, most of the influence is 2Pac (See, a complete thought) And at your fifth opinion, you've exhibited loads of ignorance in this thread and HAVE imposed a PERSONAL opinion on others here, whether you believe it or not, and vouched for the whole hip hop community by saying Eminem has nearly no influence and only has a large fan base and sales to blow his sails. C'mon son, don't deny facts. All you got to do is look at hip hop and notice it, maybe your just blind. In addition, the only album of his 3, UNDENIABLE CLASSICS, that is really the definition of GIMMICK would be The Slim Shady LP because really the so called gimmicks on MMLP are realistic emotions and thoughts that a lot of people feel at different times where as The Slim Shady LP only has a few tracks like that. And, even though it gets a lot of hate, Encore is very easy to relate to. It has emotion that anyone with a heart can feel, I mean the sadness on Mockingbird and Spend Some Time. However, I'm not gonna argue with you that there are a lot of un-relatable tracks on that album because there are. Same goes for Relapse, but Recovery is a different story. And Hell: The Sequel doesn't count because it was a CD where he fucked around, it falls into the same category as Relapse and Encore on being relatable. However, songs like Livin' Proof, Lighters (even though it sucks), & Take From Me are highly emotional. All your argument is a opinion where as I have also posted an OPINION. And on a form most of what you'll find are OPINIONS, but I did you a favor and added some facts into this one. Peace.

[Man1x]

It's quite funny (sad) how people try to belittle Eminem's impact on hip hop... Especially since A LOT of people on TRShady was introduced to hiphip through Eminem, and has since bought other rap-artists' music. Who you think brought rap to the level it is right now WORLDWIDE?...

when will you people understand that getting people into a music genre and helping the music genre progress by paving the way for others or influencing fellow musicians are 2 entirely different things?

ill say it one LAST time..

YES, eminem got people into hip hop, yet most of the people he got into hip hop only listen to him, or only did so because it was cool at the time

NO, eminem did not influence a lot of rappers that came after him.

these are SEPERATE things. he couldve turned hip hop from a local phenomenon to a worldwide success, yet if people rather base their style off other already existing rappers, he isn't influential to OTHER ARTISTS.

if you still don't get that, it wasn't meant for you to get.

1) Horrible assumption that people who got into hip hop through Eminem only listen to Eminem...smh.

2) How the hell do you know which rapper's he's influenced or not? Have you spoken to every rapper in the world to find out who influenced them? Another horrible-ass assumption. Really, you don't know if he influences other rappers or not, you're just talking out of your ass. Smfh at that too.

You are working VERY hard to prove something that isn't true, for whatever reason. You should put that effort to better use.

^Spot on, I didn't know he could vouch for other people. HAHAAHA.

[Man1x]

It's quite funny (sad) how people try to belittle Eminem's impact on hip hop... Especially since A LOT of people on TRShady was introduced to hiphip through Eminem, and has since bought other rap-artists' music. Who you think brought rap to the level it is right now WORLDWIDE?...

when will you people understand that getting people into a music genre and helping the music genre progress by paving the way for others or influencing fellow musicians are 2 entirely different things?

ill say it one LAST time..

YES, eminem got people into hip hop, yet most of the people he got into hip hop only listen to him, or only did so because it was cool at the time

NO, eminem did not influence a lot of rappers that came after him.

these are SEPERATE things. he couldve turned hip hop from a local phenomenon to a worldwide success, yet if people rather base their style off other already existing rappers, he isn't influential to OTHER ARTISTS.

if you still don't get that, it wasn't meant for you to get.

1) Horrible assumption that people who got into hip hop through Eminem only listen to Eminem...smh.

2) How the hell do you know which rapper's he's influenced or not? Have you spoken to every rapper in the world to find out who influenced them? Another horrible-ass assumption. Really, you don't know if he influences other rappers or not, you're just talking out of your ass. Smfh at that too.

You are working VERY hard to prove something that isn't true, for whatever reason. You should put that effort to better use.

Just so you know, B.o.B. has claimed he has Eminem influence but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say he doesn't because I agree he doesn't display that side of him a lot. He only did it once in "Things Get Worse." Second, you can't disqualify Hopsin & Funk Volume and other underground artists because they are the wave of Eminem influenced rappers that are going to hit the mainstream. Again, you show PERSONAL opinions, claim they are facts, and try to silence others with complete bullshit when your wrong.

[Man1x]

If you just sat down and listened to the radio and MTV for a whole day straight, it would be very hard to say that Eminem has influenced more people than Lil Wayne has in today's popular music.
I'll give you that Exzibit.

I agree with this but within the next few years I GRANTE things will change. His influence is just now picking up steam.

[Kill You]

Just so you know, B.o.B. has claimed he has Eminem influence but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say he doesn't because I agree he doesn't display that side of him a lot. He only did it once in "Things Get Worse." Second, you can't disqualify Hopsin & Funk Volume and other underground artists because they are the wave of Eminem influenced rappers that are going to hit the mainstream. Again, you show PERSONAL opinions, claim they are facts, and try to silence others with complete bullshit when your wrong.

Did you mean to quote me? Because this post has nothing to do with my post...

[Man1x]

If you just sat down and listened to the radio and MTV for a whole day straight, it would be very hard to say that Eminem has influenced more people than Lil Wayne has in today's popular music.
I'll give you that Exzibit.

I agree with this but within the next few years I GRANTE things will change. His influence is just now picking up steam.

cool then you didn't need to type that angry essay towards me. that's what i've been saying all along.
he has less influence than lil wayne right now, if that changes in the future, nobody can tell.
i personally doubt it, but you're about as right as i am.

and finally i got some fans to agree with me.
shit im a fan too, but no need to be delusional. i like big pun more than eminem but ill be the first to tell you his 2nd album was garbage for the most part.. just get real, you can still like an artist without pretending hes a super mogul who invented hip hop, innovated it then saved it..

You talking about the MMLP? I mean it's your opinion that its shit but I really don't know many people here (well of course here) and people in real life that don't agree MMLP is classic. They say songs like "Stan", "Kim", "The Way I Am", and "Marshall Mathers" are some of the best hip hop songs they have heard. I mean even my black friends who will take Jay-Z, hell even Lil Wayne, over Eminem any day say that. They appreciate him & his talent even though they don't like him too much, and some of them (ALOT) like him. The only albums you can truly put up a argument for being shit are Relapse (which is becoming increasingly hard to say any more on this thread and in some cases real life) & Encore (which many people in real life that listen to people like Lil Wayne even argue with me that it's Eminem's best. Hell go to the Eminem official site and you'd see that opinion wide spread). Recovery is so-so, those three albums are opinions that are still debatable as they haven't been cemented in stone yet. But I firmly stand by his first three albums, The Slim Shady LP, The Marshall Mathers LP, and The Eminem Show are undeniable classics according to a wide variety of critics, the masses, & his fan base. The other three I don't believe will be cemented as classics however, and I'll give that too you. Encore will be varied in the masses minds, ranging from shit to classic (my opinion, it's shit), Relapse will be mostly regarded as shit (however, on the internet it'll be considered good to classic, i don't agree with that. I'll say it was classical rhyming and sprinkled with some rhyming innovation, other than that it sucks except for a few songs. Rhyming & flow is only one side to music people), and Recovery will be called classic by the masses. Hell: The Sequel will follow the general opinions of Recovery. Next, I'm not delusional, Eminem innovated hip hop, broadened it's listening horizons to more white people, got other interested into hip hop (even more than 2Pac, that's undeniable), but no he didn't save it and no he didn't innovate it. But I can firmly say that without him white rappers today would have to do what he did yesterday to get big. There would be Mac Miller (possibly), MGK, and Yelawolf but no where near as recognized until someone, or one of them, did what Eminem did to get into the game. Second, I'm nearly positive not as many white people would listen to Lil Wayne if not for Eminem opening up their minds to hip hop, but he'd still be popular and gather a smaller white fan base than he does now. And to back my thoughts up, Eminem is universally know where as other MC's are hard pressed to be popular in other countries other than America, fact. Look at Lil Wayne & Jay-Z sales outside of America for proof. And I'm not angry but I'm trying to show you what your clearly missing.

[Man1x]

Yeah it seems more of the young rappers appreciate him a lot more. Rhyming is starting to become important again and he is a BIG reason for that.

what? why would young rappers start rhyming because of em just when he is past his lyrical prime.. ? at best their rhyme schemes are influenced by something he did earlier..[/quote]

Exactly, the people he influenced during the MMLP era are only surfacing now. Oh, and one other point I forgot to mention in my other post. You said Lil Wayne has a larger influence, I agree. But he truly only influences people in his own label, wannabe kid rappers that give up in a few days and settle on listenin to it instead of creating, and some Roc/G.O.O.D. artists. And that only happened because when he was famous, and even know, he is the music whore that jumps on every track offered to him. He's also becoming a bigger influence because he is signing artists to his label now that people like and he has raised Nicki & Drake to do what he does. He has way more successful artists than Eminem did to spread his influence, Em only had 50 Cent, so I mean the mainstream sees anyone on YM as cool and everything they do they think is cool. That's the reason.