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Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

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Tell Slim Fiasco:

Of course SLim Fiasco, I agree to not justify Em anymore if he fucks up the next solo.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby EminemBase » Nov 18th, '12, 20:28

Kill You wrote:Maybe keep Medicine Ball and remove Crack A Bottle in it's place...I just listened to Medicine Ball again and it's actually pretty good.


Definitely remove "Crack a Bottle", not meant for the album. Was meant for 50's, and you can tell.

I would say remove "Crack a Bottle" and "Beautiful" aka the songs not made for Relapse. When you do that, you have a top to bottom spotless album. That's pretty genius that way actually... that leaves 13 awesome tracks, it's damn near classic and totally consistent that way.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby Slim Fiasco » Nov 18th, '12, 20:41

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But you are still better with women than I am, Fiasco.



Lmao, :b: I could see us being wingmen. "Haaave you met TRex?"

As for your remark, I was asking in case the album was a disappointment for the majority (like Encore is), and also, if you personally get disappointed, would you give up on believing that Em can make a great album unless it eventually happens. That's assuming you've already been disappointed and hence even hoping that Em can pull it off. If you haven't been disappointed yet, then you obviously have no doubts i.e. reasons for hoping to begin with. And if the next album happens to be the first disappointment then that's another story. But I think that would be a rather rare case among TR members.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby EminemBase » Nov 18th, '12, 20:59

Menzo wrote:
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Kill You wrote:#EminemBase Would you say he has that attitude now in his music? That "I don't give a fuck, I'll rap about what I want" shit?


Judging from the BET Cypher and "Numb" verse I would actually say he is going there again. I think he genuinely found the 'rear, rear, rear' shit funny, and that's what I want. His music is always better if he's doing it for him, and he likes it, regardless of if others don't. And I don't count Encore as him doing it for him, in that time period he was very serious, and was clearly forcing silly humour to try and please that presumed side of his fanbase. IS probably felt he was becoming too serious.

But he seems to be rhyming just to rhyme again, there's a whole blend of humour, self-analytical references, pop-culture references, silly ideas, sound effects etc. ; I think if he keeps that attitude and JUST focuses on CREATING, and creating something truly dark, funny, original and daring, and keeps the producers down to an absolute minimum, he can make a classic.

But if he tries to aim at demographics, second-guess himself, apologize for his own intentions and taste in his own material, compromises on production or makes music by committee, he will fail and will create something that will ultimately be disappointing and muddled.


It's funny cuz on "Richard" he pretty much says he won't apologize, lol. Even on "Throw It Up" he ends it with a deliberate jab at the fans, same with the ending of his first verse on "Living Proof" which is dope as fuck. "Above The Law" also jabbing himself by saying his throat is sore.


But he's not jabbing 'at fans' ; I think a lot of people think his lines are often way too specific to certain groups or demographics. I think when he says "I'll be screaming on these whores till I'm hoarse", he's meaning that in an entirely broad sense aka anybody listening, society; the world at large, as well as being a little play on the continued joke misogyny.

Aside from that, his entire character on record has always been a defiant, antisocial loudmouth, so he's just playing in to that, it doesn't always have to be his real thoughts, he's indulging in attitude and character, I think he thinks a lot bigger than a lot of his fans do.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby EminemBase » Nov 18th, '12, 21:12

Menzo wrote:I think he's jabbing the fans like that, because during that time he was catching a lot of flack for his yelling delivery. To me it's his way of saying he doesn't give a fuck and he's gonna do what he wants.


Oh yeah, he's definitely doing that but I think more-so just acknowledging that he is aware, self-aware and being self-deprecating; like when in "Cold Wind Blows" he says " 'slut this / slut that' - learn the words to the song", totally acknowledging and playing off of his own cliche. Which in itself I think makes it NOT cliche, as it's intentional and he's thudding a running joke/theme.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby LEVITIKUZ » Nov 18th, '12, 21:21

I think your overreacting.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby Sam. » Nov 18th, '12, 22:13

NS's wrote:look who is talking now. :facepalm


I am not sure why everybody has a problem with Encore or says its a bad release. ITs the least fav but thats only few songs for me that I dont particularly like, the rest I found funny. Except one. I would prefer if he didnt release it at all. :coffee:

which one?
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby CanadaPure » Nov 18th, '12, 23:03

NS's wrote:look who is talking now. :facepalm


I am not sure why everybody has a problem with Encore or says its a bad release. ITs the least fav but thats only few songs for me that I dont particularly like, the rest I found funny. Except one. I would prefer if he didnt release it at all. :coffee:


Compared to the rest of Ems releases (including D12, BME, ect, not going to include The Re-up because he really wasn't on it much), Encore is completely sub-par. Even D12 world which sort of had that same Em feel was better looking at Em's verses on it. There are some diamonds in the rough with Encore, but I don't know how anyone can say it meets the standard.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby AshRoarshock » Nov 19th, '12, 04:32

Jason M. wrote:
Fleka wrote:I will listen to his new album when it comes out. And if i like it-I will bump it many times more. If I don`t like it-I will not.
Just like with every other artist.
Same thing happened with Numb. Listened to it and delete it. I don`t find that verse terrible but i also don`t think the song is good. You should all stop being such drama queens and overreact all the time.

Em`s music is a big part of my life and if he screws up his next album I will just accept the fact that he is not good any more. But I will always respect him for the great music he gave us.


Couldn't agree more.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby SoldierShady » Nov 19th, '12, 23:52

If it sucks I won't buy it.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby sbolli1 » Nov 19th, '12, 23:54

It won't.

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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby cityfan31 » Nov 20th, '12, 00:04

Geno wrote:
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Geno wrote:Just because Em scrapped Relapse 2 doesn't mean Relapse should be considered worse though. That logic's kinda weird. You know me man, I woulda loved to hear it as well. Em said himself that he felt like Relapse had some good jokes, but they weren't funny anymore, so maybe he looked at Relapse 2 and thought it was good, but it wasn't memorable or he just wasn't happy with it anymore. Can't blame him for not wanting to put out a project he isn't 100% happy with. I appreciate that a lot more than "eh whatever, just put it out, I need the money". You know?


But I think there's more evidence that the real reason he scrapped it was because of fans not liking the Relapse style, not him. Prior to Relapse, 50 said Em isn't coming out with music until it's his 'favourite shit ever', and I believe Em fucking loved that style, and don't believe he thought that hard about it, and worked that hard on the lyricism and flows and songs and suddenly hated it right after. He was so in to it, the writing was so dense and detailed, he was clearly immersed in it. And then ever since then, he's dropped giveaways that he still likes it, like on the BME EP.

I think he was very confident in that music but when fans didn't react well he feared he would slip in to total irrelevance with Relapse 2, so he listened to modern rap more and adapted his style and production to modern trends (puns, love songs and bragging).

And I think it is good logic Relapse 2 would be better, or at least that HE thought it was better. Why would you put the weaker album out last? who intends to make a sequel worse than the original. He intended Relapse 2 to mimic The Marshall Mathers LP, those two Relapse albums were homages to those first two; now which is better - The Slim Shady LP, or The Marshall Mathers LP? I know some think 'sslp', but most would say 'mmlp' is a brain-fucking piece of art. It's powerful.

And you can tell with songs like "Music Box" that the material would be more extreme, and the flow and intensity of "Buffalo Bill". And even 50 said, from the beginning, that the 2nd one was 'exciting'. I bet it was. Em scrapped it to appease fans, not himself. When he came back, despite him stating, and wanting to not give a fuck what anybody thought but himself (the right attitude. The attitude that results in classics), he can't help himself but care now. He's come too far and has too much of a history and legacy riding on reactions, he cares too much what fans think. Such a shame.

Yeah, you make good points. I definitely agree.

I really don't like agreeing though because just thinking that he scrapped something near MMLP's caliber hurts.


Nah, he said he picked 'the best of Relapse 2' and put it on Refill. Music Box is dope, as is Buffalo Bill. Elevator was alright, and I'm not the biggest fan of Taking My Ball, Drop the Bomb on Em, or Hell Breaks Loose.

All good music, but not the MMLP and and I see no evidence he left off a number of absolutely ground breaking tracks if he knew it wasn't ever going to come out and he had the pick of tracks to stick onto Refill.

Oh No and Things Got Worse subsequently leaked, probably on Relapse 2 as well. Similarly quite good, but I'm happier we got Recovery.

50 is a clever guy, can you imagine him saying 'The first Relapse is dope, the second is quite good but not as good' ? Would never happen.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby Hopsinshadie » Nov 20th, '12, 03:58

I'll allude to the fact that stans are elusive when it comes to covering up subpar albums. I venture to say that his next cd will sound just like all his recent Collabs and Stan's will give Emunem another last chance.
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby CanadaPure » Nov 20th, '12, 05:52

NS's wrote:
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NS's wrote:look who is talking now. :facepalm


I am not sure why everybody has a problem with Encore or says its a bad release. ITs the least fav but thats only few songs for me that I dont particularly like, the rest I found funny. Except one. I would prefer if he didnt release it at all. :coffee:


There are some diamonds in the rough with Encore, but I don't know how anyone can say it meets the standard.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Which standard? Whose standard yours?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Dont be brutal to yourself.


Holy shit, please contain your retardedness. Not just my standard, ask lots of Eminem fans and they will tell you that Encore isn't as good as his other releases.

By standard, I meant the standard quality of his music by the way. Not personal standard. I personally like Encore and bump it, but it's below Eminem's average as far as the quality of lyricism and creative aspects of music..
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby CanadaPure » Nov 20th, '12, 06:12

NS's wrote:ok, whatever, lets say we agree. carry on.


Yeah we both agree that it has high points. Overall I like listening to the album. :y:
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Re: Let's Say Em's Next Album Sucks

Postby JuNiPER » Nov 20th, '12, 06:30

Slim Fiasco wrote:If Em's next album turns out to be shitty i.e. full of bad beats and average verses, thus making the whole album an obvious failure ala Encore, can we make an agreement here that everyone will stop with the excuses and never ever utter the sentence "he can still make an amazing album" unless it actually happens later on?


If Eminem makes another album that's shitty, then I will be no longer looking forward to new Eminem material.
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