Relapse vs MMLP2

[whore to a chainsaw]

Alright... for those of you that have seen the few posts I have made on this site (more specifically, the ~80% of them that have been made since The Marshall Mathers LP 2 has been available in its' entirety) I am admittedly as well as consciously aware of the fact that my writing is VERY scatter-brained as it will continue to be as I recover from following a legit prescription to benzodiazepines for several years & horrifically, learning that I've fucked my brain up and it could take a long time to recover.

For those that are wondering, yes, the fact that Eminem went through something very similar with the same family of substance amplifies the emotions that correspond with my thoughts towards Eminem and his career as well as who he is as a person.

I already made a post about that though.

Damnit... what I'm getting at is this may be a bit all over the place, but I am going to attempt to PROVE that MMLP2 is better than Relapse.

I'm aware of the fact that to what is potentially quite a significant percentage of the people reading this post that what I just said is very capable of provoking feelings of disgust and an image of an arrogant, ignorant, condescending douchebag in the minds of those that use these finger produced representations of the internal monologues in our heads as the metaphorical brushes used to paint a picture of who the person behind the character combination must be based on what he says.

My head is so foggy that my last paragraph/sentence makes me want to shoot up methylphenidate upon trying to re-read what I wrote as if I'm someone else reading it... but hear me out.

You know how we are are "entitled to our subjective opinions" and how "no one is right or wrong?"

Upon reading these types of threads while lurking in which albums are stacked up against each other so w]e fans can have our opinions of Eminem's albums when placed in contrast to each other manipulated by the power of suggestion... I have been wondering if it's actually true that we should be able to claim that we like anything better than anything else with no repurcussions... Seriously.

For example, take an Eminem CD... Let's say, The Eminem Show.

What is better? The Eminem show, or the MMLP2 album existing only in the hypothetical scenario in which Eminem had just come up with an album that is just the song "Tubthumping" by "Chumbawamba" playing over and over again while you hear Eminem screaming "LISTEN TO THIS SHIT! HOLY SHIT!" each time the chorus is about to come on and then it just repeats.

Actually... that may be a bad example considering how ridiculously absurd and therefore hilarious it would be if that's actually what MMLP2 was for 78 minutes straight. But you get what I mean. Say there was a song on MMLP2 in which the verse was just "girl i know you know i know you know you're hot.... so hot... that it hits the spot... on the dot... a lot... the niggaz in the house will leave you SHOT... while michael jackson is dead... after smoking some POT! You niggaz in town... is da niggaz around... don't you niggaz be frownin... cause the niggers is down!... chains drugs and money, da white and da brown... cause up in detroit the niggers like to pop the drugs down!"

Say that was the chorus to one of the songs on MMLP2 and it was rapped in a serious, hardcore voice... as if Eminem was not fucking around or playing while delivering it... and he fucking means it. The rest of the song is about how many drugs he was capable of handling and about how he's seen other people do drugs and the amount they do is nothing compared to what he can tolerate... also, about how many connections he has, and how jay-z and kanye can only get grams and 8 balls fronted to them while he can get half ounces.

This song is completely serious and it's got almost famous's beat (and in this hypothetical scenario, that song was never released.)

Now... compare whatever you're imagining based on the facts I've stated and what your imagination has come up with to fill in the blanks (based on what I said anyone with a human sense of logic will likely fill the blanks with garbage) with the "Fubba U Cubba Cubba" freestyle... AND... ONLY in terms of lyricism and talent relating to lyricism. One was written... one was a freestyle (written and passed off as a freestyle.)

You guys get my point. I'm wondering if once a certain line is crossed, if artforms, music specifically (as I DO believe if we were intelligent enough of a species we could decipher what melodies are speaking to our subconscious minds and the values of the messages could theoretically be weighed based on differences in the changes of serotonin, dopamine, gaba, glutamate, endorphin, adrenaline, etc. levels.) could have music X potentially being OBJECTIVELY better than music Y.

I think based on my hypothetical scenario, or any one you guys can think of that you know would OBJECTIVELY be inferior to something that exists... this is a fact.

Now, since that stupid "subjective opinion" and "to each his own" argument is out of the way... and I know a lot of smart people would swear by it before really thinking about it... including myself until I really thought about it just the other day at the age of 25... no offense to anyone who has felt this way before... but it's a stupid argument. Since that is out of the way... I want to try to PROVE... or at least come close to proving (for some) that MMLP2 is a better piece of music than not just relapse... but Encore, Relapse and Recovery. I also believe it to be better than some of his initial trivium of spectacular musical mastery but I won't get into that. We'll place it in contrast to the last 3 solo albums so the points I'm trying to make are more defined and clear in the minds of the readers...

How the fuck do I do this though? God damn, I love being on a forum where people LIKE hearing me discuss things relating to/involving Eminem and it's actually encouraged. So glad to finally have this outlet and a clique of people that see the beauty, significance, magnificence, etc. in Eminem's music. People that see beyond what pop culture has conditioned us to believe is worth including in a casual conversation through showing us how we're supposed to act with sitcoms... so many things... fuck. To actually sit down and discuss theories behind such an amazing artform... manipulating the english language to rhyme, flow AND make a point... it's beautiful. Make it even more specific and say "EMINEM's hip hop" and it's just AMAZING and equally AMAZING to be blessed enough to live in an age in which one can connect with others that feel the same and express himself to people that share the passion felt for a specific artist's music.

K i'll shut up and try to do this now. I don't know how successful I'll be.

TL : DR -

1. I think to say "Everyone is entitled to their own subjective opinion and no one on opposing sides of an argument regarding which piece of musical art is better is more right than the other" is bullshit.

2. I want to challenge myself to prove somehow through my words and the imagery I may be able to provoke in the minds of the readers that MMLP2 IS the best Eminem album created out of Encore, Relapse, Recovery and itself... from an OBJECTIVE standpoint. No subjective opinions.

3. I love this site, you guys and having an outlet in which expressing my thoughts relating and in regards to the art of hip hop and even more specifically, Eminem and things relating to him in hip hop + HIS music is an absolutely amazing opportunity that being a product of this era has allowed me as some sort of beautiful, incredibly satisfying gift.

Will have the post done some time within the next couple of hours. I have to do a couple of things around my house yet tonight.

[Trilla]

Relapse

[4Corners]

No fucking way in hell is Relapse better, I'm sorry.

[Trilla]

No fucking way in hell is Relapse better, I'm sorry.

Accents > choppy flow
Dre beats > Alex Da Kid beats
Eminem rapping about raping people > Em talking about bawitdaba's
50 Cent > Rihanna

Sorry

[4Corners]

No fucking way in hell is Relapse better, I'm sorry.

Accents > choppy flow
Dre beats > Alex Da Kid beats
Eminem rapping about raping people > Em talking about bawitdaba's
50 Cent > Rihanna

Sorry

Yeah cuz Em is talking about only that, and only using a choppy flow.....man you're an ignorant ass mother fucker. What should I expect with some dumb ass with the name Trilla who's got a gay ass picture of Jay as an avi though.

The Monster and Survival are meh, and I could take or leave Berzerk, but the rest is dope man. There's a reason this album is having a better reception than anything since TES.....because it's better than anything hes done since then.

But hey you thought Magna Carta was a good album, so the fuck do you know?

[4Corners]

Hey Trilla, weren't you on here raving about the album, and now you're saying this. Man you bi polar ass nigga.

[shreyshady]

Relapse is great in my opinion, my appreciation for it definitely went up after I heard Recovery and the seriousness of it bored me. But I think most of the songs on Relapse is almost TOO similar to be better than MMLP2 which I think is a far more balanced and true reflection of his humor and seriousness, combined with his story-telling. As a technical showcase of skill, I think Relapse is great the words he rhymed with the accent are insane, but we all know Em can rhyme, which is why I think MMLP2 is significantly better as an album, and more of what we as fans wanted him to do.

[Tom313]

I've always found Medicine Ball, Old Times Sake, We Made You, Crack A Bottle & Underground sub-par. MMLP2 has some weak tracks but I think there are less than Relapse. So probably MMLP2>> but it's to early to say.

Relapse/Refill is a good collection of songs to listen to though and MMLP2 sounds completely different, so it will be cool to mix it up in the future.

[ladelsofgravy]

No fucking way in hell is Relapse better, I'm sorry.

50 Cent > Rihanna
Sorry

Not in the past 8 years.

[Saviour]

MMLP2

[mdemaz]

MMLP2 no doubt.

[TheBoss123]

Liking something and preferring something is an opinion. THings can and will be objectively better. From what iv heard i already like MMLP2 more than relapse. sounds like its just as dense with rhymes except without the accents, and more purpose to the lyrics, besides the serial killer thing throughtout the entireity of relapse.

[1LynguisticMind]

relapse

[therapist]

MMLP2 > everything but half of the first MMLP and all of TES

[geminal]

I've been coming to this board for years, but never posted; so this is my first! SSLP came out when I was 14, and since than, I've been a huge Em fan. So, here's my opinion FWIW:

With Relapse, I would say most of us had NO IDEA what to expect. He'd been away for a while and his last LP was Encore, which IMHO was basically crap. But I think most of us just weren't sure what to expect - but we all were basically uber-excited to have him back. I pretty much couldn't sleep until the album dropped. I was definitely pleasently suprised by the album, and grown on me even more as time has passed (especially after Recovery dropped). Now, I really like the album. But for MMLP2, I would assume most of us were cautiously optimistic. I didn't expect much. And I am SHOCKED by how good the album is. As of right now, I like MMLP2 much better. It's close to his first three CLASSICS. But I don't really think it's a MMLP sequel. It has an aura of nostalgia, but really I think it's its own animal. Here's my ranking:

MMLP>SSLP>TES>MMLP2>Relapse>Recovery>Encore.