Is MMLP2 too lyrical for most listeners?

[Insidious91]

Average, ignorant listeners: Every Eminem song is "too lyrical" for them, unless it's from 04-07.

Knowledgeable listeners/rappers: The flows are too forced/choppy and the bars are too misaligned for many of them to enjoy the lyrics. Mac Lethal and Copywrite both think the album is horrible, for example, and they're big Eminem fans.

And that's why no one gives a shit about them and no one buys their albums. Because they think good music is bad.

Eminem thinks some of his good music is bad too so that logic doesn't really work.

[HG-3]

"Your about to witness hip-hop in its most purest, most rawest form, flow almost flawless."

His rhyming is incredible on this, but I think he got carried away with the technicality and forgot about flow. His flow is all over the place and honestly is sometimes hard to listen to. I miss his effortless flows and the line i quoted above is the start to a verse with effortless flow gliding over the beat. This was scarce on mmlp2.

Jay-Z says the rapper is an instrument.. You aren't supposed to get in the way of people vibing to the beat.. and post Relapse that's all his flow has done..
I appreciate the technical ability but it gets in the way of he used to just effortlessly stay on pace with the beat.. It was so clean as if his voice was just as much of the beat as the snares.. Perfect honestly.

Exactly what I am saying my friend. His flow is NOT what it used to be..and it used to be absolutly incredible. Props to him for being as technical as he was, he lacked the effortless flow though and that kinda is a bummer.

[Kill You]

Average, ignorant listeners: Every Eminem song is "too lyrical" for them, unless it's from 04-07.

Knowledgeable listeners/rappers: The flows are too forced/choppy and the bars are too misaligned for many of them to enjoy the lyrics. Mac Lethal and Copywrite both think the album is horrible, for example, and they're big Eminem fans.

And that's why no one gives a shit about them and no one buys their albums. Because they think good music is bad.

Eminem thinks some of his good music is bad too so that logic doesn't really work.

I know, I was being a dick...

[kkaniff]

Please post more than one example of a choppy flow on MMLP2.

[trentimus]

Please post more than one example of a choppy flow on MMLP2.

Bad Guy it's really bad.. especially in the beginning of the second verse is almost cringe worthy.
ROR it's less prevelant but there.
The Monster

There are parts scattered throughout the album..

If you dont hear.. THE, stop, chop.. FLOW.. You are.. Crazy.
He's trying to put imphasis on his punchlines sometimes instead of doing what he did on the previous two albums where he literally said "GET IT!?"

The Final verse of So Far...

I'd have to listen to the album again to pick them all out but I just can't listen again right now.

Some of the songs it's more bearable than others because he will change his flow every 4 or so bars.

I want more Brainless, Baby, Dont Front -esk flows.. of course I dont want replicas of them everywhere but I'd like them to come more from that place.

[csw621]

i can't be the only one who realizes the "choppy" flow is just him syncing his voice with different elements of the beat

[Slim Fiasco]

Fuck most listeners

[superman11]

No choppy flow on this. Rarely does the start and stop on this album, and when he does, it works with the beat. Just accept it bitches, this is the best Em has been since TES.

[yoda you can call me]

No choppy flow on this. Rarely does the start and stop on this album, and when he does, it works with the beat. Just accept it bitches, this is the best Em has been since TES.

well said brah

[Wego]

The thing that stands out to me on this album is the prevalence of ending each bar with a rising inflection leading into a half cadence... resulting in those mini pauses in the flow. He used to roll out perfect cadence all the time which creates the seamless smooth flow but I guess to sound new and fresh you have to change things here and there.

Look at golf, all players go through periods where they have to change their swing due to their bodies changing size and shape due to aging.. what im trying to say is Grandpa Slim can still rap!

[kkaniff]

So...what you're saying is;
-Em uses a choppy flow in some of his songs
-In other songs on the same album, his flow is smooth as fuck
-Somehow this is an indication that he can't flow like he used to, instead of the fact that he chooses not to.
....
If Eminem(13 grammies, 1 Oscar, writer of Lose Yourself, Bad Guy and Stan) thinks his choppy flow suits certain songs, why the hell do you (random internet poster) and some other rappers whom I've never heard of before in my wildly eventful life think otherwise. No offence.

[electroencephalogram]

The thing that stands out to me on this album is the prevalence of ending each bar with a rising inflection leading into a half cadence... resulting in those mini pauses in the flow.

I'm interested in what this means, can you offer examples and explanation?

[metsfan1121]

Here's my two cents... Eminem is more technical than ever before. He's using more complex and intense rhymes schemes and pairing them with tremendous pun and wordplay. His vocabulary and technique is on another level. As usual he has changed, just like he has on EVERY ALBUM. He could put out another MMLP copy but what's the fun in that? He already know that worked and he wants to experiment, to learn, to capture another audience and a new feeling. He's already said what he has to say, no need for songs with such blatantly clear messages anymore. His mission used to be to share his opinion, now it's to develop his skills and test his limits. He's choosing things like complex rhymes and word play over simple similies or metaphors. He's trying something new to see if it sticks. For Em, it isn't nostalgia time yet.

[Wego]

The thing that stands out to me on this album is the prevalence of ending each bar with a rising inflection leading into a half cadence... resulting in those mini pauses in the flow.

I'm interested in what this means, can you offer examples and explanation?

The cadence is simply the normalised speed and flow in which you speak and an inflection is a rise or fall in the tempo which the cadence is set. A half cadence is when the inflection is so sharp the word is completed quicker than expected. Our ears are expecting the word to go longer than it does so when its finished so quick it seems there is an apparent pause or break.

The half cadence ends the phrase on a dominant chord, which in tonal music does not sound final; that is, the phrase ends with unresolved harmonic tension.

[therapist]

No one criticizes guitar gods when they play super fast and technical...