Here's What's Being Overlooked about The Monster

[Siccarius]

The rapping is ill. The song just doesn't belong on MMLP2 is all.

What would you rather pick: The Monster on the album or MMLP2 selling 100,000 less copies and also not having a song that out did "Roar" this year?

[yezz1r]

The rapping is ill. The song just doesn't belong on MMLP2 is all.

What would you rather pick: The Monster on the album or MMLP2 selling 100,000 less copies and also not having a song that out did "Roar" this year?

Yea, that's the main point. It's good business. Big Eminem fans understand this song could have been replaced by at least 3 other songs from the bonus disc. But the younger generation (damn I'm getting old) doesn't really understand that. "Monster" = more radio = more new fans = more success in the future.
Just look at billboard.com. HIS WHOLE DISCOGRAPHY IS IN THE TOP 200 in sales. Meaning, new fans are buying/hearing all his older shit partly thanks to "Monster".

[EminemBase]

The rapping is ill. The song just doesn't belong on MMLP2 is all.

What would you rather pick: The Monster on the album or MMLP2 selling 100,000 less copies and also not having a song that out did "Roar" this year?

Lmao...

I would pick MMLP2 selling 100,000 less.

Also, I think that's fucking nonsense.

I think MMLP2 would have sold what it did with or without that song.

People don't buy albums based on fucking singles now, they can just buy the single on iTunes.

Eminem sells albums because of his name and his trust and what people expect from his album, they know they're going to get AN ALBUM, and be surprised.

MMLP sold 1.7mil and there was no fucking huge pop single. And before anybody says 'Stan' - Dido was an unknown when the shit hit and it wasn't even a big US hit.

Em doesn't need Rihanna to sell records.

Also, yes I would always pick a better album vs. more sales. Does it really fucking matter at this point? Is that what he's about? Sales and money?

We're not his PR people, we're fans who want him to make great art... well, I am any way.

[EminemBase]

The rapping is ill. The song just doesn't belong on MMLP2 is all.

What would you rather pick: The Monster on the album or MMLP2 selling 100,000 less copies and also not having a song that out did "Roar" this year?

Yea, that's the main point. It's good business. Big Eminem fans understand this song could have been replaced by at least 3 other songs from the bonus disc. But the younger generation (damn I'm getting old) doesn't really understand that. "Monster" = more radio = more new fans = more success in the future.
Just look at billboard.com. HIS WHOLE DISCOGRAPHY IS IN THE TOP 200 in sales. Meaning, new fans are buying/hearing all his older shit partly thanks to "Monster".

I'm not the younger generation.

I've been listening to him since SSLP and since I was 9.

[yezz1r]

I'm not the younger generation.

I've been listening to him since SSLP and since I was 9.

Cool. You are 1 person.

[yezz1r]

The rapping is ill. The song just doesn't belong on MMLP2 is all.

What would you rather pick: The Monster on the album or MMLP2 selling 100,000 less copies and also not having a song that out did "Roar" this year?

Lmao...

I would pick MMLP2 selling 100,000 less.

Also, I think that's fucking nonsense.

I think MMLP2 would have sold what it did with or without that song.

People don't buy albums based on fucking singles now, they can just buy the single on iTunes.

Eminem sells albums because of his name and his trust and what people expect from his album, they know they're going to get AN ALBUM, and be surprised.

MMLP sold 1.7mil and there was no fucking huge pop single. And before anybody says 'Stan' - Dido was an unknown when the shit hit and it wasn't even a big US hit.

Em doesn't need Rihanna to sell records.

Also, yes I would always pick a better album vs. more sales. Does it really fucking matter at this point? Is that what he's about? Sales and money?

We're not his PR people, we're fans who want him to make great art... well, I am any way.

I agree with a lot of this and disagree with a lot of this.

[SliK]

The rapping is ill. The song just doesn't belong on MMLP2 is all.

What would you rather pick: The Monster on the album or MMLP2 selling 100,000 less copies and also not having a song that out did "Roar" this year?

Lmao...

I would pick MMLP2 selling 100,000 less.

Also, I think that's fucking nonsense.

I think MMLP2 would have sold what it did with or without that song.

People don't buy albums based on fucking singles now, they can just buy the single on iTunes.

Eminem sells albums because of his name and his trust and what people expect from his album, they know they're going to get AN ALBUM, and be surprised.

MMLP sold 1.7mil and there was no fucking huge pop single. And before anybody says 'Stan' - Dido was an unknown when the shit hit and it wasn't even a big US hit.

Em doesn't need Rihanna to sell records.

Also, yes I would always pick a better album vs. more sales. Does it really fucking matter at this point? Is that what he's about? Sales and money?

We're not his PR people, we're fans who want him to make great art... well, I am any way.

Would Recovery have sold what it did (4.5M) without LTWYL?

[EminemBase]

I'm not the younger generation.

I've been listening to him since SSLP and since I was 9.

Cool. You are 1 person.

Why would you care more about his sales than his art?

He's an artist not an athlete.

The fact you're cool with a compromised song tarnishing an album so that he can get more sales is bizarre to me. Especially because he does NOT need to fucking do it.

If this was at the beginning of his career it would make more sense. But when he's shifted 10 fucking million of TES with the lead single "Without Me" - it makes no sense. He sells the most as himself, he doesn't need a pop beat and Rihanna.

[EminemBase]

Would Recovery have sold what it did (4.5M) without LTWYL?

Possibly. Probably not but I don't think it would have been significantly lower as you're implying...

Eminem is what made that song unique and huge, not Rihanna; if it wasn't for Em's subject matter and his rapping... I don't believe people would have been intrigued to listen to the album. I think it would have been a huge single still due to Rihanna, but not sold records.

Look at B.o.B: he has HUGE singles yet sells like dog shit. I don't believe singles drive album sales.

People love the singles but they buy the album due to the artist and what they're expecting.

I think Em's emotional direction on "Not Afraid" would have intrigued people enough for it to do what it did any way tbh. I don't think his albums are really sold by singles.

I think it's more-so that his singles give people who know of him a sense of where he's going next... and depending on how intrigued they are - drives his sales, as well as his regular fan-base who will buy his album any way of course. But I don't think a single simply being 'bigger' makes much difference with Eminem, it's about what the content and his sound is, and what people are expecting.

[yezz1r]

I'm not the younger generation.

I've been listening to him since SSLP and since I was 9.

Cool. You are 1 person.

Why would you care more about his sales than his art?

He's an artist not an athlete.

The fact you're cool with a compromised song tarnishing an album so that he can get more sales is bizarre to me. Especially because he does NOT need to fucking do it.

If this was at the beginning of his career it would make more sense. But when he's shifted 10 fucking million of TES with the lead single "Without Me" - it makes no sense. He sells the most as himself, he doesn't need a pop beat and Rihanna.

You're missing my point. Me personally, I would rather have 4 out of the 5 song on the bonus disc replacing "Monster". But I understand the business side. Realize, to be on the top 200 album sales chart with billboard, people have to buy the whole album, not just singles on iTunes; which eliminates your original argument. He is the 1st artist ever to have his whole discography in the top 200.

I hear you though dude.

[EminemBase]

Would Recovery have sold what it did (4.5M) without LTWYL?

Possibly. Probably not but I don't think it would have been significantly lower as you're implying...

Eminem is what made that song unique and huge, not Rihanna; if it wasn't for Em's subject matter and his rapping... I don't believe people would have been intrigued to listen to the album. I think it would have been a huge single still due to Rihanna, but not sold records.

Look at B.o.B: he has HUGE singles yet sells like dog shit. I don't believe singles drive album sales.

People love the singles but they buy the album due to the artist and what they're expecting.

I think Em's emotional direction on "Not Afraid" would have intrigued people enough for it to do what it did any way tbh. I don't think his albums are sold by singles.

Yeah but I think Rihanna is what made it more 'acceptable' for teenagers to listen to. Don't think you're implying that it would have been the same without her, just saying.

Also lol @ B.o.B, so much talent being wasted.

B.o.B is pretty much proof big singles don't = big album sales though.

Rihanna doesn't have huge album sales either - despite the fact she has GIGANTIC singles.

I think this model of 'big single = big album' is old hat and of another era.

"The Way I Am" nor "Stan" were HUGE singles, they were just very artistically intriguing. I know "The Real Slim Shady" was quite big, but people were extremely interested in what he had to say, it wasn't about how catchy and pop-chart appealing the songs were.

[EminemBase]

You're missing my point. Me personally, I would rather have 4 out of the 5 song on the bonus disc replacing "Monster". But I understand the business side. Realize, to be on the top 200 album sales chart with billboard, people have to buy the whole album, not just singles on iTunes; which eliminates your original argument. He is the 1st artist ever to have his whole discography in the top 200.

I hear you though dude.

Yeah but people don't buy his albums because of his singles.

I don't think they make much difference with him.

It's the content of them, not how big they are on the charts.

Of course I understand why they're doing it, I'm saying - I wish they wouldn't. And also that Em would just be more ballsy and creative with it - getting Rihanna to sing another predictable broad hook as he raps about fame is the bottom of his creative barrel. Remember when "Stan" was his single?

"Stan" drove the MMLP album sales. Not because it was a huge pop single. Because it was intriguing. And because of that - it's lasted the ages, it still sounds amazing 13 years later and stands as a solo masterpiece by him. Do you think "The Monster" will sound great in 13 years?

[EminemBase]

If album sales are driven by singles:

- Why did B.o.B sell less than 100k in his first week of TAOFBR with 2 huge worldwide singles.

- Why does Rihanna sell less than Eminem despite gigantic worldwide singles.

- Why is Eminem's biggest selling album and the biggest solo debut in history his album with the least compromised and some of his smallest singles.

[Satan]

Double post m8

[Siccarius]

While your standard Rhianna fan won't buy Em's album, hearing it on the radio REMINDS casual fans of his that he has an album coming out. You should care about sales, because we have seen what poor reception did to Relapse. Furthermore it's obvious that Em WANTS that song on the album.