Fuck Em's Depression

[shadegirl]

why would you say that? i have depression too. my life was and still is really bad but i wouldnt say f em's depression or problems. he never complained. he talks about his over dose more then his depression. i dont even think he said he had depression once. im sure he does. i actually think em has bi polor or something too. but im sorry ur having issues but u dont need to say he has the best life cuz he has money. money isnt EVERYTHING. yeah its good and all but he even said if he could change his fame he would. so dont blast him cuz of ur problems. thats not nice.

sorry your going through so much though. hope things get better.

[UofLCard]

As the old saying goes, money can't always buy you happiness. I've heard about multi million dollar lottery winners would have wished they never won. In Em's case, his uncle Ronnie and Proof were two people that brought happiness to him and all the money in the world can' bring them back.

[Tash8]

does your mania always happen before your depression? if so then you have bi-polar disease.

[shadyboymez]

bi-polar, adhd , ocd .... abchdgdcbnsdjbfvcn ..blah blah blah


we've all got a little bit of everything, some people just bring more attention to it



eminem may be depressed, but he also has loads more fortune and fame than me, so i dont really care anymore

just want some good music

[LLockhart86]

As the old saying goes, money can't always buy you happiness. I've heard about multi million dollar lottery winners would have wished they never won. In Em's case, his uncle Ronnie and Proof were two people that brought happiness to him and all the money in the world can' bring them back.

Fuck that, shit like close people dying around you happens whether your rich or poor...probably more often when your poor.

Any problem a poor kid has with money and self confidence and shit outweighs any problem a rich man has with all his money. imo

Id rather be rich and live financially stress free.

Just look at the song elevator. He may have problems but " livin in a house with a fuckin elevator " - He sounds fine to me.

[EminemBase]

bi-polar, adhd , ocd .... abchdgdcbnsdjbfvcn ..blah blah blah

we've all got a little bit of everything, some people just bring more attention to it

eminem may be depressed, but he also has loads more fortune and fame than me, so i dont really care anymore

just want some good music

Actually that's not true. This sinister, popular and uninformed view people take on mental disorders is silly and ignorant.

Speaking just on ADHD - ADHD is an actual malfunction of the brain. It's not psychological. It's not learned behaviour. If you have ADHD - You are born with it. It's genetic and the genetic-causes and factors of it are more documented than Autism.

Only reason people accept Autism so much more readily is because everybody's seen Rain Man. They wouldn't dare question a guy who speaks and walks funny. But just because ADHD is a disorder of normal behaviour to extreme lengths, people fail to see it as a disorder and just say "Oh we've all got it to some extent".

An ADHD brain is actually different to a non-ADHD brain. They've done double-blind tests and brain-scans to prove it. In your brain you have various neurotransmitters which help control and stabalize your mood, attention, energy and so on.

Two of the most important and dominant are 'dopamine' and 'seretonin'. Now in an ADHD brain - There is an abnormally low amount of dopamine. Dopamine is used mainly for attention, it's... How your brain produces sustained attention to outside things that are not immediately stimulating.

Ie. You're in a boring meeting - You have to self-stimulate a lot in the brain to keep focus if you don't find it immediately interesting or stimulating. Now obviously the vast majority of people have problems focusing on things they find boring but here's the difference...

With a normal person - Lets say they're in the middle of typing an essay and the phone rings. Now obviously the phone will naturally take them away from what they were doing and they may be distracted for a little while but most people eventually get back to it. Whether it be 10, 15, 30 minutes.

In an ADHD brain - The dopamine levels are so low naturally that any new event that produces arrousal or excitement becomes the immediate and most important event. Stimulation is so lacking without outside influence that when something distracts and produces that for the brain, the result is an uncontrollable onset of tangent.

So the ADHD person (from a similar example from my own life) may for example... Notice the brand-name on the telephone, see that it's Chinese, start thinking how many things are made in China, wonder why it's cheaper to produce phones there, start thinking about the Chinese workforce, go look up the sta... And so on... And before you know it, 3 hours have passed and you've ended up spending an entire length of time teaching yourself about something or ending up on some wild info-hunt and not only are you away from the original task... The original task was TOTALLY forgotten.

I mean it's not just distraction - It's that each new task is more exciting than the next, each new thought out-stimulates the last and you're constantly re-analyziing, re-focusing, going on wild, never-ending tangents... As you can probably tell by my posts. I can't stop, I have to get every thought out and... Usually I end up on a point not relevant to the original starting point.

The problem is self-stimulation. That's why it sounds like a convinient disorder and people think it's an excuse to say you can only pay attention to things you like but what I just described is the logical reasoning behind that.

ADHD-brains lack the equipment 'so to speak' (certain brain chemicals) needed to produce self-stimulation and sustained attention to task.

Dopamine also controls mood so this is why depression rates are higher but mix depression with inability to focus... Even on your own thoughts long enough to entertain yourself and...You get one big mess. It's the reason why people with it are usually starting 100 things a week.

It's probably why I'm currently trying to run a web design business, start an atheist community site / movement, write a book, run numerous personal websites and still not able to stop starting new ideas regardless. Each new thing is more exciting than the last.

Also in an ADHD-brain - Well, in all brains you have a part in the brain called the 'executive functions'. This part of the brain deals mainly with your memory and attention, it's your logical facility.

Now, in an ADHD-brain, this part of the brain is typically 2-4 years BEHIND, underdeveloped. This is why it's a lot harder to sustain one idea, one task, for long enough to complete it. It's why when I talk I keep interrupting myself before I've finished, confusing myself because each new thought is overtaking the last, breaking off sentences before they've come out, going off on off-shoots, talking in circles.

Then you have your 'motor functions', they deal with speech, central intelligence, basic thoughts and in an ADHD-brain this part of the brain is usually 2-4 years AHEAD, overdeveloped.

So you can see what I'm saying I'm sure - You have a car with no brakes. You have too many thoughts, and not the right equipment to control them or facilitate them.

Eminem's lyric sheets are very ADHD. It also produces very obsessive, meticulous behaviour and thinking because of the fact the thoughts spiral over each other out of control. You start to learn ways to manage them and direct them into logical output. Em has himself talked about sometimes not being able to stop, the thoughts just totally overflowing him, it's like he's playing connect the dots with his thoughts, his lyric sheets... Yeah, wow.

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I think this deserves a spot in the debate section

[Tash8]

this is turning into a psych lecture

the thing is, everything he said is correct. I'm taking psych right now (actually i'm studying for a test for it currently) and everything he said has been right.

[Daveyboy]

When is he wrong?

[shadyboymez]

nothing against Embase or adhd, or anything like that ... I've taken psych 101 , i've learned it all but that doesnt mean i have to agree ..


at one point i was diagnosed as depressed, given pills and i realized they werent changing anything . then one day i woke up, and thought maybe all i had to do was get a more positive outlook on things...sure it didnt just happen in an instant, but over time i was able to take things for the good, and not the bad .. sure the weed cant help much, but i allowed it to, i became my own person, no classifications, no serious issues, happy as ever, and all through changing my own outlook , no help from a doctor or a pill

by allowing yourself to fall into a classification , it becomes you, it becomes the excuses for the weird things you do, and the reason why you shouldnt do things that other ppl would do

the example stated about reading the chinese label, and going off on a tangent ...to me that is no adhd, that is just curiosity/not giving a fuck about what you are supposed to be doing


sure this doesnt involve eminem at all, but with no news on R2, why not

[EminemBase]

^^ Yes but you say that's 'just not giving a fuck about what you're doing' - No that's the effect. The cause is a brain malfunction.

It doesn't have to define you, if you're intelligent. I don't use ADHD as an excuse for all bad behaviour. You're just simply conscious of it and learn to work with it and it becomes a plus.

This bullshit about negative stigma attached to labelling is nonsense. We have to call them something since a very small % of people do X Y and Z more than the rest that's why it's a rarity and deserves a name of its own.

You could also say we all have cancer. Which we do. We all have cancer cells in us. But you wouldn't say "I have cancer" unless you were forcibly dying from it. It only becomes classified as that once it's overbearing. Once the cancer cells outweigh the good cells and it becomes a detriment.

And that's why ADHD is ADHD. The bad is outweighing the good so it's become a detriment, hence it's a disorder. A DIS order of function. Also you say you took phsyc but ADHD is very different from most.

With most mental disorders it's often learned behaviour and you can psychologically change it and nurture it. ADHD is actually a different brain. There's actual differences in the way the brain functions, the brains are wired differently, over and undeveloped.

That's why despite age, race, background, wealth, situation, circumstance, WHATEVER - The behaviour is the same. It's not behaviour caused and influenced by outside forces. It's a different type of brain causing the behaviour. That's why the same behaviour is seen internationally. It's no coincidence. There's a very good reason why certain things cause certain behaviours and we know exactly why in ADHD brains, more so than Autism.

But again, there's a bias. Because I'm sure if you saw an Autistic person struggling to speak and / or walk and rocking back and forth you wouldn't say "Oh come on, just learn to think your way out of it". ADHD is more genetically established than Autism. It's just within the normal spectrum of human behaviour so it's easy to think it's not there.

So you can't just 'snap out of it' or 'think your way out of it'. If it's left untreated you can learn to cope with it and make it part of yourself but a treated ADHD person will always have it much easier and perform to their full potential.

[UofLCard]

As the old saying goes, money can't always buy you happiness. I've heard about multi million dollar lottery winners would have wished they never won. In Em's case, his uncle Ronnie and Proof were two people that brought happiness to him and all the money in the world can' bring them back.

Fuck that, shit like close people dying around you happens whether your rich or poor...probably more often when your poor.

I never said it didn't happen to poor people.

[shadyboymez]

eminembase you win

clearly you have much more knowledge on the topic, and you make many good points.

I just feel that these days too many people are classified as having these different issues, when a lot of them are probably just as normal as anyone. I know that some tests that are given to diagnose these disorders are nothing but writing and speaking, no brain scans being done.

[EminemBase]

eminembase you win

clearly you have much more knowledge on the topic, and you make many good points.

I just feel that these days too many people are classified as having these different issues, when a lot of them are probably just as normal as anyone. I know that some tests that are given to diagnose these disorders are nothing but writing and speaking, no brain scans being done.

Yes but to lump them all in is very silly.

There is a hypermaniac sense for people to claim any disorder possible due to media etc. but that doesn't suddenly invalidate any mental disorder. The brain is an organ and like any organ it has diseases.

And yes there are brain-scans. Don't say there aren't when you clearly haven't looked into it but are just guessing. Brain-scans are the strongest evidence for ADHD because they show clearly, in-depth, specifically which parts of the brain are different in ADHD brains.

They're not being done to diagnose them yet but they are being done and for some time to add to the research and classification.