Recovery is no better than Relapse

[CLV22798]

damn i gotta take a shit, but when i'm done i'm gunna come back to this thread show you what songs should be compared against...

I mean 3am and space bound

Longest shit ever.

Well I got back and clean up spam in one mics topic

As far as comparing songs based on content, I feel like the only songs that really can be compared would be:

CAB and WTP
...because they are "party" or "club" type songs. Even still em has one verse and a hook vs an entire song, so that's not that strong there.

Deja Vu vs Talkin 2 Myself or Going Through Changes
...I think the better would be vs GTC, and is a pretty decent comparable song.

We Made You vs Untitled
...possibly because of trying to be random/funny, even still pretty weak.

Must Be the Ganja vs Seduction
...Pretty weak, only reason I'd suggest it is because they both are full songs by em with solid concepts, though the concepts don't match up at all, and the fact that they have similar feels with beats.

Underground vs Almost Famous
...Kind of weak, but both have similar deliveries, and subjects that are somewhat random, though AF does follow a concept that he sticks with in some ways with each verse.

Stay Wide Awake vs Cold Wind Blows
...Again, weak. I'd suggest because they both have em being quite vulgar, both are structured similar, but again subject matter and flow are much different.

No Love ve Old Times Sake
...completely off, only similarity is having one feature for a collab.

That's the best I can do, and as I said with most are weak, trying to do this really showed me how different these albums are

I don't like these comparisons because your comparing some crappy songs against each other. It should be the best from both albums, even if the content of the songs are completely different. It should just be for which tracks u like the best overall. and that's why I think Recovery dominates Relapse and is Em's best album period.

[Emadyville]

^^^ but that's my point, if you aren't comparing them based on content, style, concept, etc. it's only opinion anyway, so there is no point in comparing them then right?

If you're gunna compare sky diving and reading a book you're just gunna say whats better is what you enjoy more.

If you're comparing two similar songs you have a breakdown then of all the aspects (hook, flow, delivery, lyrics, rhymes, etc) and are then making an actual comparison.

But maybe I'm the only one who feels this way

[Emadyville]

^^^ but that's my point, if you aren't comparing them based on content, style, concept, etc. it's only opinion anyway, so there is no point in comparing them then right?

If you're gunna compare sky diving and reading a book you're just gunna say whats better is what you enjoy more.

If you're comparing two similar songs you have a breakdown then of all the aspects (hook, flow, delivery, lyrics, rhymes, etc) and are then making an actual comparison.

But maybe I'm the only one who feels this way

Nope, I agree with this.

Finally

Now I wish someone would try and compare the songs I felt had validity (tho mostly weak) to be compared from both albums, since that's what this threads about I think

[goblue418]

honestly, these threads, polls are pointless. next year when the new album drops, that will be better than recovery. just like relapse was amazing last year. it doesnt matter bc everyone will always have their own favorite albums.

[Emadyville]

honestly, these threads, polls are pointless. next year when the new album drops, that will be better than recovery. just like relapse was amazing last year. it doesnt matter bc everyone will always have their own favorite albums.

very true, and i feel they get pointless too, but it's something to pass the time and see what others think. that's the point of forums I suppose, so it's all working well then

and how you know he is dropping next year

[CLV22798]

^^^ but that's my point, if you aren't comparing them based on content, style, concept, etc. it's only opinion anyway, so there is no point in comparing them then right?

If you're gunna compare sky diving and reading a book you're just gunna say whats better is what you enjoy more.

If you're comparing two similar songs you have a breakdown then of all the aspects (hook, flow, delivery, lyrics, rhymes, etc) and are then making an actual comparison.

But maybe I'm the only one who feels this way

I get what you're saying, u have a valid point in everything you said. but without comparing the songs you like best from each album, you're not going to come to the conclusion to which album is best in comparing Relapse and Recovery. They're both completely different albums, the only way to compare which one you like best is to re-access why style of lyrics and beats you like to hear the most, I think Relapse lacks in both. There are some songs that are good lyrically and are produced well, but not overall. I think Recovery has good lyrics all throughout the album, and I love the production on it. I don't see any problem with comparing my favorite songs from both albums to judge which album I like best. It's all going to depend on which type of songs you like the most. Which for me is Recovery.

[buffalo bill]

Ok, let me try with Emadyville's version.

As far as comparing songs based on content, I feel like the only songs that really can be compared would be:

CAB and WTP
...because they are "party" or "club" type songs. Even still em has one verse and a hook vs an entire song, so that's not that strong there.

CAB is bad while W.T.P. is mediocre so W.T.P.

Deja Vu vs Talkin 2 Myself or Going Through Changes
...I think the better would be vs GTC, and is a pretty decent comparable song.

No idea I put GTC ahead of DV on a list I posted a few hours ago so I guess I will have to be consistent

We Made You vs Untitled
...possibly because of trying to be random/funny, even still pretty weak.

Untitled by far

Must Be the Ganja vs Seduction
...Pretty weak, only reason I'd suggest it is because they both are full songs by em with solid concepts, though the concepts don't match up at all, and the fact that they have similar feels with beats.

Must Be The Ganja because of the serial killer verse.

Underground vs Almost Famous
...Kind of weak, but both have similar deliveries, and subjects that are somewhat random, though AF does follow a concept that he sticks with in some ways with each verse.

Almost Famous.. I think.

Stay Wide Awake vs Cold Wind Blows
...Again, weak. I'd suggest because they both have em being quite vulgar, both are structured similar, but again subject matter and flow are much different.

SWA by a billion light years

No Love ve Old Times Sake
...completely off, only similarity is having one feature for a collab.

No Love despite Wayne's verse

5-2 to Recovery. Okay.

[Emadyville]

Edit: thanks buffalo bill for doing that

I get what you're saying, u have a valid point in everything you said. but without comparing the songs you like best from each album, you're not going to come to the conclusion to which album is best in comparing Relapse and Recovery. They're both completely different albums, the only way to compare which one you like best is to re-access why style of lyrics and beats you like to hear the most, I think Relapse lacks in both. There are some songs that are good lyrically and are produced well, but not overall. I think Recovery has good lyrics all throughout the album, and I love the production on it. I don't see any problem with comparing my favorite songs from both albums to judge which album I like best. It's all going to depend on which type of songs you like the most. Which for me is Recovery.

And I agree with you, when you're going to compare 2 albums for which YOU think is better, you should pick by the songs you like best and go from there. WIth that I agree 100%.

I guess what I'm saying is, you can't can't just randomly choose songs and compare them. The only way I see it working, and working well, would be to make a list of your favorite songs in order from each album. Then you'd compare each song to the song equivilent on the other list.

For a short example if I said my favorite songs from each were:
Rec- WTP, GTC, and LTWYL (In that order).
Rel-3am, CAB, Deja Vu (In that order)

You'd then compare WTP to 3am, GTC to CAB, etc.


That's the only way it works I feel, so I guess we kind of came to one large conclusion as a whole about comparing albums and songs, so good work

[goblue418]

honestly, these threads, polls are pointless. next year when the new album drops, that will be better than recovery. just like relapse was amazing last year. it doesnt matter bc everyone will always have their own favorite albums.

very true, and i feel they get pointless too, but it's something to pass the time and see what others think. that's the point of forums I suppose, so it's all working well then

and how you know he is dropping next year

just a guess..why wouldnt he if he sold this much and we know he has more than 100 songs recorded for recovery. but at least until we get new em or d12 drops a mixtape or album every1 will love recovery. then everyone will change lol

[buffalo bill]

I will be shocked if he comes out with a new album before 2012, he's going to focus on other things for a while after working on his own albums for like 2 years straight

[Emadyville]

honestly, these threads, polls are pointless. next year when the new album drops, that will be better than recovery. just like relapse was amazing last year. it doesnt matter bc everyone will always have their own favorite albums.

very true, and i feel they get pointless too, but it's something to pass the time and see what others think. that's the point of forums I suppose, so it's all working well then

and how you know he is dropping next year

just a guess..why wouldnt he if he sold this much and we know he has more than 100 songs recorded for recovery. but at least until we get new em or d12 drops a mixtape or album every1 will love recovery. then everyone will change lol

I'd say no to next year for a few reasons.

For one, there was no indication of him recording again since Recovery dropped, or songs he kept off of it for future albums (like happened with relapse and then refill). Interscope is gunna milk recovery as long as they can, mostly do to its enormous success and stability on the charts currently. He's signing SH, so he will probably have a hand in that, as well as the D12 album that's supposed to finally be happened. Also, with him doing some shows soon, I feel that time will not include much if any recording.

So my guess for next year is maybe 3-4 features on others albums, like SH. Hopefully a D12 albums, and possibly a D12 mixtape. Finally, maybe a song or two from Em if he gets into a beef, does something on a soundtrack, or if he does a westwood appearance or despicable type track (if d12 or SH drop an album I suppose it's possible).

[goblue418]

there was ashade 45 interview where he said he would finish this album cycle then go back to recording with d12 and SH for awhile. i think he will drop in november next year

[CLV22798]

Edit: thanks buffalo bill for doing that

I get what you're saying, u have a valid point in everything you said. but without comparing the songs you like best from each album, you're not going to come to the conclusion to which album is best in comparing Relapse and Recovery. They're both completely different albums, the only way to compare which one you like best is to re-access why style of lyrics and beats you like to hear the most, I think Relapse lacks in both. There are some songs that are good lyrically and are produced well, but not overall. I think Recovery has good lyrics all throughout the album, and I love the production on it. I don't see any problem with comparing my favorite songs from both albums to judge which album I like best. It's all going to depend on which type of songs you like the most. Which for me is Recovery.

And I agree with you, when you're going to compare 2 albums for which YOU think is better, you should pick by the songs you like best and go from there. WIth that I agree 100%.

I guess what I'm saying is, you can't can't just randomly choose songs and compare them. The only way I see it working, and working well, would be to make a list of your favorite songs in order from each album. Then you'd compare each song to the song equivilent on the other list.

For a short example if I said my favorite songs from each were:
Rec- WTP, GTC, and LTWYL (In that order).
Rel-3am, CAB, Deja Vu (In that order)

You'd then compare WTP to 3am, GTC to CAB, etc.


That's the only way it works I feel, so I guess we kind of came to one large conclusion as a whole about comparing albums and songs, so good work

Yea, finally we can kind of agree lol. That's why I said that everybody's list is gonna be different when I posted my top 5 from both albums. I knew almost nobody would agree with me, because not everybody likes the same songs. and I know it's really hard because the tracks on both albums are totally different from each other. but what can u do, that's what Eminem has done to us lol. Make life more complicated to judge which albums of his we like the most when all his albums pretty much sound different to each other

[achiles22]

recovery is better as an album thou relapse has some good tracks too

[EminemBase]

Trying to compare each track with a logical, definitive score that's based on your taste and then say "so therefore they're equal" like it's a provable fact is ridiculous lmao.

It's not a fact Relapse is underrated and Recovery overrated. That's just the state of affairs to you. To somebody who thinks Relapse is awful and Recovery awful, they're both overrated. And on and on.