Spacebound video [IT'S HERE]

[EminemBase]

I was talking about music in general because Spacebound is ofc about a girl/relationship but it can also be twisted around so it can be about a drug addiction and there is no proving the person who states this wrong because in his head no matter what this song is about a drug addiction and nothing else just like in your mind (and mine) this song is about a relationship.

Yes, in his HEAD he can believe that. How many times do I need to say he / anybody can believe what they want. But that does not make, it, true.

>>Anything<< can be twisted and contrived and talked-up to mean many things. Test me if you like, throw the most simplistic, one-dimensional, obvious piece of music... most obvious painting, picture or anything you like at me and I'll make it into a huge metaphor.

It's easy and anybody can draw any number of conclusions are construct any number of theories. But unless it's clearly the case or can be clearly proven, it is not, the case.

It's not 'in our mind' the song is about the relationship, it's in the lyrics and it's on the screen. Do you not see Eminem and a woman in the video? is than an illusion or in your head? do you not see a woman texting somebody else, as Eminem and this woman sit down in a cafe together? clearly indicating a real-world male / female relationship and a cheating girlfriend.

I'm not making that up, that's not an interpretation, that's the reality of what you see. Unless you want to start changing reality, and perception, and what we know to be true. That's it. And there is no conclusive evidence or reason to believe it's anything more in this case.

So no, it's not in my head. It's the reality that is the case.

I think you are simplifying what I am trying to say into simple things like saying that The Godfather is about an Italian mob family when we are talking about music which is known to have double meanings and metaphors.

Oh so you think "Space Bound" is more complex than The Godfather? you think The Godfather is simple? you've never seen a movie with a double-meaning?

Movies are much more complex than most music what are you talking about. Most songs are a few minutes long so any story that is told needs to be watered down and condensed. Where as a movie can last hours and has a whole world of characters and time to tap into it.

Movies have hundreds of metaphors, constantly layered throughout (The Matrix, Fight Club), being conveyed by characters and themes. You're totally off with that one.

Like I said though, let's take "Stan" then. I would assume you and everybody here would agree that the song is clearly about a crazed fan who kills himself yes? is that a theory or personal interpretation? no, it's what is conveyed CLEARLY through the lyrics and represented through the visuals.

It's the absolute reality of what you hear and see. As is the story in "Space Bound".

If I were to say Stan was a metaphor for Em's troubled past (which in a way you could even say he is, as he shares experiences with Eminem that he relates to and uses as justification for what he does) and that Stan killing himself was Eminem's way of saying his past is gone now, and he's looking forward... would that make it a reality? (and forget the fact Eminem has confirmed the song's meaning, assume he hadn't, as it's not relevant to the point).

Or, would it make it 'just as true' or 'just as possible' as the exact, apparent story that you can clearly conclude from the lyrics and video. Of course not, you can dream up any theory that you like but that does not make it 'just as plausible' as any other, or the obvious reality. As if it's a coin toss.

There's a lot of space between 0% likelihood and 100% likelihood and, if somebody thinks up a theory and it's unfounded, it doesn't immediately become 50/50. There's almost no evidence in favour of any of the theories said her. The obvious, clear-to-see story is equivalent to what you can see happening in "Stan", it's what is apparent through the lyrics, and video.

So, any theory you may think up outside of that, does not automatically become on the same scale of probability as the clearly intended truth you see in front of you.

People are obsessing over arbitrary detail with Eminem and his videos now, and this video and trying to apply meaning or metaphor to every single thing they see in every shot. Where as they don't do that with other artists or even Eminem's older work.

Look at the things that happen throughout the average video, that aren't all explained or just randomly part of a scene or a story. I mean, do you think Dido sitting on the shitter is a metaphor for some profound undertone, or how about Stan's brother's name is Matthew, is that some kind of biblical reference now. You could go on and on and on and make any minor or major thing anything you want and connect a million different things. Doesn't make it real.

[TheGentlePlayer]

I'm pretty sure this isn't the uncensored or full version when they rewind time there are parts that haven't been shown.

Yeah, hope Vevo will upload two versions of the video.

[Sukot]

I think the only reason they made this video is because Em wants to be picked for a certain role in an upcoming movie. This is his way of auditioning.

[Trimss]

His face when he strangles sasha grey.. I love this video. Simple but cool.

[BILI]

His face when he strangles sasha grey.. I love this video. Simple but cool.

Its much more then simple...


Anyways as I already said, this is one of my fav Em videos, its almost perfect.

[shadymathers313]

god i miss 2001 Em. hed kick this guys ass for making shit like this.

[true rue]

Why do they focus on his watch so clearly when he turns the doorknob? Is that just product placement, or is there supposed to be a meaning?

[Amaranthine]

Why do they focus on his watch so clearly when he turns the doorknob? Is that just product placement, or is there supposed to be a meaning?

Time is running out for Em. It's the countdown to his suicide.

...Nah, it's probably just product placement.

Em really needs to get in another movie. He's wasting his acting on music videos.

[EminemBase]

Also, this seems a lot more real than "Love the Way You Lie".

And I think Em is a more realistic actor than that guy who was in the video. The weird one who looks like an elf. I know the other guy is a professional actor but him and Megan Fox both seemed over the top and it seemed much less real.

Where as Em is a great under-actor, very realistic, doesn't over-act.

[luquew]

such a sickkkk video!

[BlazeMM]

You're being naive about the nature of figures of speech if you think one cannot use the terms "person" or "woman" to mean something else. This is especially true in regards to the term "woman," for which both words that you deem acceptable as metaphor, "she" and "bitch," very easily and naturally extend from.

The only reason many feel those words are more acceptable as allusions is because they have become a very popular source of metaphorical outlet over the years, even to the point of becoming informal, like "bitch." Is it even necessary to point out that "bitch" did not always refer to anything other than a female dog? It actually took it about half a millenium to find a more colloquial meaning - the slang we use it as today.

However, the popularity of certain words, in wordplay, should in no way reflect any other word's legitimacy as a metaphor. In fact, when crafting a metaphor, using "she" has become rather trite and obvious to a discerning audience.

While I might agree, at first glance, that the words themselves do not allot any significant deeper meaning, the music video clearly does. For this reason, I can assume that the lyrics had more intent than whatever literal interpretations would allow.

I don't think that this necessarily means that it has anything to do with drug abuse. Although it is a reasonable interpretation, I can easily see the music video merely conveying deeper reflection than the lyrics do at face-value. It may simply be referring to an unspoken narrative, evidenced the flickering, secondary Marshal.

I think there's enough visual evidence to understand that there's more going on here than just a story told in play-by-play fashion, and that it has something to do with Marshal's thoughts or opinions on the primary narrative, be it love, drugs, or whatever else.

[EminemBase]

You're being naive about the nature of figures of speech if you think one cannot use the terms "person" or "woman" to mean something else. This is especially true in regards to the term "woman," for which both words that you deem acceptable as metaphor, "she" and "bitch," very easily and naturally extend from.

No, If you think Eminem would lyrically describe a human relationship between himself and a woman, then portray that on screen... perfectly and logically, and yet mean it to be a ridiculously contrived, overblown metaphor that he just 'hoped' people might catch on to... you are being naive.

A "woman" means an adult human female. A human female. A human. When he allures to hip-hop being a 'she' that is absolutely fine metaphorically because it's simply implying a gender, and the metaphor of him being married to hip-hop and hip-hop being 'like' a woman, and therefore a 'she' is totally fine and correct.

By using a word as specific as "woman", that implies a specific female of a specific species of life. So the metaphor does not work. Yes, in a higher sense, a better writer could still specifically use a woman and still have it be or REPRESENT a metaphor for something else.

However, again, if you all seriously think this is what Em is doing you're delusional. There is no reason to think that he is outside of some arbitrary imagery that you're playing connect the dots with. The story being told and portrayed is simple and real-life. Not metaphorical.

However, the popularity of certain words, in wordplay, should in no way reflect any other word's legitimacy as a metaphor. In fact, when crafting a metaphor, using "she" has become rather trite and obvious to a discerning audience.

Regardless of whether you thinking using the word 'she' is trite or bad:

By the very fact Eminem DID specifically use 'she' and 'bitch' and avoid being specific or defining hip-hop as an actual woman in "25 to Life" shows that he is that kind of writer and shows that he is conscious of trying to not be too specific.

Therefore making it all the more unlikely he'd abandon that tactic or suddenly become a different kind of writer with another song on the same album.

While I might agree, at first glance, that the words themselves do not allot any significant deeper meaning, the music video clearly does. For this reason, I can assume that the lyrics had more intent than whatever literal interpretations would allow.

No the video clearly does not.

Everything there can be attributed to the obvious reality and story at hand.

The wolf can be attributed to the fact he is referring to himself as a cold and lonely person, that's stone-cold obvious, then you have the female texting on the phone and him spying on her messages as she goes to the bathroom. I have friends who do this, this is relationship paranoia and again, stone-cold obvious and real-world.

Then you have the gun in the females back, now, in context of this story, it only really makes sense to deduce she was going to kill him and that is why he put it all together when he got to the hotel room and killed her first. Partially out of self-defence, partially as a kill of passion as she was going to run off with somebody. Eminem's lyrics about the woman not wanting to be with him but him loving her deeply also convey this exact moment and his realization.

The gun is the only truly debatable thing in the story that is clearly a key element in it hence the camera focusing on it and him remembering it. But that fits absolutely with the idea of what I just said, and that slight ambiguity alone is not enough to deduce there is a whole other metaphor at hand and the story is not what it seems. Not even close.

I don't think that this necessarily means that it has anything to do with drug abuse. Although it is a reasonable interpretation, I can easily see the music video merely conveying deeper reflection than the lyrics do at face-value. It may simply be referring to an unspoken narrative, evidenced the flickering, secondary Marshal.

I think there's enough visual evidence to understand that there's more going on here than just a story told in play-by-play fashion, and that it has something to do with Marshal's thoughts or opinions on the primary narrative, be it love, drugs, or whatever else.

Well yes, but... that's also obvious. That's not contradictory to what I am saying at all. Of course there's going to be nuance and ambiguous communication and moments and imagery, that's all part of telling a story. They aren't just going to LITERALLY portray his exact lyrics with absolutely no visual stray or addiction, that's the point of making a video. To elevate it.

That's a given in any well-told story and to be expected though. The secondary Marshall looks to be his conscience or thoughts inside his head and a way around of having him rap whilst still being able to be sat in the moment as if a person in the story, with the female.

These things are visual additions and nuances to the already completed and intended story though. Of course there's things going on aesthetically and in certain shots that amplify the lyrics, emotions and are meant to capture the odd theme or thought. But that does not mean the entire story is a double-meaning and there's a huge undertone or metaphor at hand.

It's just the point of a good video.

[Banks]

the scene of the shooting is awesome

[Blu]

TRShady.. #winning ever since Embase decided to grace us with his beautiful posts.

[randomgirl]

Also that bar scene was played almost perfectly, he looked so natural, I always knew he can act to some point, but honestly he surprised me with this. And his expression were on point all the time, he was really into it, and that car scene, totally reminded me of 8 Mile...

Yes!

But overall I thought the video was kinda bland. Also I was hella confused about the storyline but it seems to be one of those videos you have to create your own meaning for. I don't really have my own interpretations about what everything means. Two things bother me though: 1. he should've shot himself in the temple, there is absolutely no reason why they should have changed that; 2. the split-screen thing could've been way more awesome, like two different outcomes or something.

I don't like this song but I think Em looks so adorable in this video

Oh and LOL @ this

god i miss 2001 Em. hed kick this guys ass for making shit like this.