Master Chief wrote:EminemBase wrote:Well that's very unlikely to be true. Think about what you're saying logically...
Do you think the people on TRShady have special DNA? genes or cells in them that make them appreciate Relapse differently to the rest of the world?
Of course not. The people here are humans. We all think in patterns, we're all predictable, we're all made of the same stuff. If a lot of people here like it, a lot of people everywhere like it. Just because it's not the majority doesn't mean it's not widespread.
Then you have the fact it's narrowed down to fans of Eminem. SO if fans of Eminem HERE like it, fans of Eminem LOTS OF PLACES like it.
Of course, there's people everywhere in every single corner of the planet that like Relapse. It would be a lie to say that Relapse is universally hated, it's not. It just gets very mixed reviwes (not talking about critics here) in most places. Here, in TRShady, it seems like a domino effect. It seems that it became "in" to like Relapse and I don't want anyone to come in here bitching about how that's not true and that I'm a blind Recovery fanboy and I'm jealous because Relapse is more appreciated than my beloved Recovery in an almost dead forum. Anyways lol, yes I know it's widespread but I was only referring to the fact that the majority of people don't look at Relapse as superior to Recovery.
Not that it matters in the slightest, if this was debate about the quality of Recovery I would have no business bringing this up. I was just responding to some posts in this thread.Relapse is definitely not his best album, but it's definitely not trash and what's more frustrating than what you see as it being 'overrated' (which couldn't be less true) is the repetitive asshole critics who want to hear the same predictable emotional drivel out of Em's mouth calling the album trash. And people taking them seriously.
I've read the reviews of Relapse, and them not liking the album is no big whoop. 80% of them shouldn't even have jobs as critics as they're not worth the dust, crumbs and cum in their keyboards they write their godawful reviews with. Most of them are personally hellbent and bias, almost every critic I read is a fucking moron.
Overrated on this forum. Some people here think Relapse is on the level of his first three albums. Some even think it's better than TES which is arguably a completely 100% false statement. Relapse is underappreciated by critics, I agree. Critics that review Relapse (and all of Eminem's albums for that matter) are complete idiots. Relapse is not trash, in my eyes. I like the album and can appreciate the intricate rhyming and the mesmerizing flows. I just think the usage of the accent is hit and miss. The content IS and is executed horribly in a few songs in Relapse. On top of that, it's very inconsistent in terms of quality. And it has 2 horrible songs, 1 below average song, and 3 fillers. The rest of the albums ranges from decent (Hello, Underground) to amazing (Stay Wide Awake, Deja Vu and 3 AM).It's not about whether you like the content, that's a personal taste issue, it's about defining and critiquing the aims. The aim of Eminem on Relapse is to come across as a sadistic, sophisticated, strange, slap-happy maniac / killer / drug fiend and yada yada. So the question as a critic, is not "do I like that idea?" as anybody can ask themselves that. The question is "did the artist achieve his aims?" or some other question that examines the result over intent.
Not everybody can examine an artist's result and critique and break it down well. But anybody can give an opinion. So if all these critics are going to do is give their opinion, they're literally fucking useless and do not deserve the title (though it's hardly an honorable one) of 'critic'.
So if I was Em, or any artist, I wouldn't be too worried about those turds not approving of my material. I'd be more concerned about my peers and like-minded people who get my vision or artistry approving of it. Even then, it shouldn't matter, all that matters is what YOU think.
We know, Eminem was aiming to come across as a deranged, serial killer, maniac etc. but he wasn't consistent in doing so. I mean, Crack A Bottle, Beautiful, Deja Vu (despite the fact that it's the best song of the album) aren't exactly that. Deja Vu fits the sound of Relapse but not the character he was trying to portray. I never implied that it matters at all that Relapse is not very well-recieved, I just tried to let the people on this thread saying "Omg, it s33ms lik now Tha Relapze is morrre betta & likkk'd thun Tha Recuveryz " that they're wrong. They can love Relapse as much as they want but they have to face the facts as irrelevant or unimportant as they are to them.Plenty of work gets trashed early-on and then later praised too. For plenty of reasons. Stanly Kubrick's films are a prime example of that. And one of the likely reasons for Relapse being more trashed than it deserves is due to the fact it was his comeback album and it was about what it was about, and presented the way it was.
The reaction to Recovery was far more fitting and realistic. The basic overall consensus was that it was a consistent lyrical and rapping performance from Em, and shitty, loud production. Which, is pretty much spot-on.
Where as the consensus from most on Relapse was that it was 'silly' (so any accent that is not distinctly American is 'silly' now? this doesn't look so good coming from American critics... Americans, who already get accused by the world of being culturally ignorant and egotistical) accents and bad music. Where as... if you appreciate rhyming and flows at all, there's no way you could arrive at that consensus, regardless of whether you like the content or style(s).
Which to me just proves that the majority consensus is misguided and untrue. Critics and people were so eager, as they are when any big artist returns, to pick apart the comeback - ESPECIALLY Eminem given how tongue-in-cheek, provocative, dismissive and loudmouth (as an artist) he was. But mainly I think it's just people couldn't see past the strange presentation.
I do remember one critic saying something like it was "a master toying with form" and that it was "abstract" though. Which is much more like it. And on-point.
Honestly, the accent sounded ridiculous on some songs. If used it as effectively as it's used in SWA then I would have no problem with it and I doubt it would get as much hate.
Once again, I don't agree with the critics at all so I understand where you're coming from.
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