I bet Eminem will be put in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

Water, condoms, cologne...
What if Eminem had his own condom?
Slim Jimmys
Every box has Em on it with a speech bubble: "Didn't I strap Jimmy hon?"

[Wic Kid]

Water, condoms, cologne...
What if Eminem had his own condom?
Slim Jimmys
Every box has Em on it with a speech bubble: "Didn't I strap Jimmy hon?"

[Relapse.LP]

Jesus Christ, I've been missing out overnight.

da.relapse.lp
I know you like to play devil's advocate and all, but I think calling Relapse terrible is a bit much. I already posted here why I think the album is good. Do you agree or disagree with my previous assessment on Relapse?
In the bigger picture, whether you do or not is irrelevant as long as you can admit to understand why someone would like the album.
If you can at least understand someone's enjoyment of the album, then your opinion is just that: an opinion.
I enjoy the album. Very much so, in fact. But I see why someone would not. It appeals to a selective audience. I enjoy gore lyrics, gothic noir, dark humor, etc. Everything about Relapse appeals to me.
In lieu of saying "one was great and one was terrible", for example, "One I loved and one I hated" would imply personal opinion much better.
Then you won't hear a peep from me.

I stand corrected. I meant to say that Relapse was "terrible" in comparison to his other albums. So overall, I would change it to a mediocre level. The multies were all there, but I didn't feel his delivery or his subject content in the least.

To say someone's opinion is irrelevant is an ironic statement, because all the critic's reviews are all strictly opinion, but if the critics give it a "classic", most people will generally call it "classic".

Anyways, the fact I did not particularly enjoy Relapse is a tangent from the actual discussion. I was just trying to make a point in the comparison versus Jay-Z.

You clearly believe that you are right and frankly I dont give a crap what you think. I know Eminem is more influential than Jay Z in terms of music period and sales are the best indication of that. You are using points about Eminem not being copied as an indication that he is not influential: thats stupid and shortsighted coz no-one can emulate Eminem because he is the most unique and technically diverse rapper in the world. Of course other rappers would find it easier to copy Jay-Z's style: it usually fits in with their boastful and materialistic mindsets. You have no special insight into hip-hop that distinguishes you from anyone else and you have failed in your attempt to convince me that Jay Z is more influential (espeically with regards to a musical artist {not a trend}
Oh and I see you think Relapse is terrible (as bad as Encore) You fail right there too lil bitch. Relapse is better than American Gangster and Kingdom Come and Blueprint 3. Eminem Show is better than Reasonable Doubt (to me) and MMLP and SSLP are superb albums to me equally the likes of Blueprint and the Black Album.

Please, using profanity won't help you at all, if you're even trying to debate rather than flame.

All your statements are contradictory. You keep saying Eminem is influential... just give me proof?

Relapse IS better than Kingdom Come and Blueprint 3, but that's not saying much, because all three of them were slightly disappointing. American Gangster > Relapse too though. Check the critics if you don't believe me. It got 84% on Metacritic, if you even know what the hell that is.

I dont respect my opponent... nor do I want his respect thanks just telling him how I feel about Em vs Jay Z

Nor do I respect a stuck-up, idiotic Stan like you. Go back to writing letters to your idol.

But on the point, the reason I think Em will make the HOF and Jay-Z specifically will not is because of what Em did for music culture that Jay-Z did not. Jay-Z kind of rode the coattails of certain other NY rappers to make it. He went out when the east coast was hot and blew up, making great music along the way. Em came from nothing and had to fight every step of the way before Dre signed him. His handicap was his race. But he made it, regardless. Not only did he just make it, he's the highest selling rap artist ever. It's not the sales themselves that matter, it's that he has the sales that years ago no sane hip hop enthusiast would ever believe a white boy from the midwest could ever achieve. Em is living proof that anything is possible if you follow your dreams, whether it's supposed to be possible for you or not. That sounds corny and cliché, but it's the truth.

(please don't get my thread locked, guys)

I agree you're the first person here who properly used sales as an acceptable argument, but you must understand that most people can agree and even KNOW that Eminem's skin color was a humongous factor in his sales and influence. I'm not trying to be racist, but it's fact, even Eminem admits it. Actually, his handicap was not his race... his race was his boost. But other rappers had it even worse than Eminem before releasing their debut. Eminem never sold drugs, shot people for a living, and ran from the police all the time? Did he have friends, at that time, getting shot the next morning when they were partying the last night? Not trying to be so cliche again like you, but it's fact.

Eminem deserves the HOF nod over Jay Z for a whole lot of reasons
1) True international artist who goes number 1 across the world at will
2) Highest selling rap album 1st week sales of all time
3) Best selling artist of the decade prior (likely nomination will come in 2019)
4) Came up legit not using the legacy of any other rapper to help get ahead.
5) Never got ethered
6) Acted (well) in a critically acclaimed film giving international focus on his art-form
7) Flow has changed over the course of every album and every album brings a different element (technically and flow-wise)
8) Em helped make 50 Cent a genuine superstar (for a period at least)more popular than any artist Jay Z tried to make.
9) Eminem didnt over-saturate himself and put his name on all of these different ventures, but stayed focused on the music (what the R&RHOF should focus on on)
10) He's just all round better than Jay-Z come on now. There are a few emcees that would give Eminem a run for his money in a battle or a song but Jay isnt one of them.

1. In fact, Jay-Z has more No. 1 albums than him. I know that if Eminem made more albums, he could reach Hov's number of chart-toppers, but apparently not.

2. Eminem got that based on his poppy first single and his SHOCK VALUE. I'm not trying to be biased, but sales is completely irrelevant to the quality of an artist's music. You want sales to be the marking point for quality? Soulja Boy is the G.O.A.T. then. Why don't you guys defend Lil Wayne when it comes to sales then? He sold 1 million, but none of you are saying that is music is top-notch then. Eminem couldn't even match his sales with Relapse after taking a hiatus. So does that mean Weezy>Slim?

Because sales does not show how good a rapper is.

3. Once again, is sales the ONLY way you guys can prove Eminem's quality of music? How about giving me genuine evidence of influence and other method's of proving his influence rather than sales? Think like this: if Eminem sold 1/4 of what he normally does, what arguments would you then bring up, if his music was entirely unchanged, just his sales.

4. Ah, I definitely agree partly with you on this one. Jay-Z does bite Biggie's rhymes a lot, but I doubt you knew that before you made such a comment. And name another old school rapper that used someone other's legacy to boost his own. Ignorant comment once again from the Chief Stan.

5. Why don't Eminem beef with Nas if you're so confident? Whenever people try to diss Jay-Z, they always try to say Nas completely destroyed Jay-Z. I agree that Ether was the better diss track to Takeover, but at the time Takeover was released, it was big. I mean, big. If you were actually listening to hip-hop by then, you'd know what I was talking about. Hell, I was tuning in to their beef in 2001 and when Takeover was released, I was pretty taken aback. Jay-Z, a relative newcomer to the game, was completely dismissing Nas's, a relative senior in hip hop, career as "falling out".

And besides, without Takeover, Nas wouldn't come with Stillmatic, no? Well, it probably doesn't matter to you, because if this was a Nas vs. Eminem battle, you'd turn your back on Nas and say some bullshit claims that prove Eminem could destroy Nas in a battle with not-legit proof as you usually do.

6. 8 Mile was a good movie. Nothing much more to discuss about this contention. You take this one, although Ice Cube has starred in many more movies, but not as good. But likewise, acting in a "movie" will not get you into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, which is what the discussion is about, if you forgot.

7. If you liked the Relapse flow, I have nothing to say. I guess some people do force themselves to dig the accent. Unlike you, I see the accent as what it is, but I'm not hating on it either.

8. Who the fuck cares if Eminem tried to make 50 Cent big? Look what 50 Cent is now. Another rapper that's putting a bad image on the game by talking about how he'll blow your brains out and fuck your bitch. Half the shit he says ain't true and you're disregarding Jay-Z's Kanye West. Jay-Z got Kanye West big, if you forgot that fact, idiot. Arguably, Kanye West is a bigger name in hip hop than 50 Cent, despite his recent drop in popularity due to that untimely incident with Taylor Swift.

Your arguments are getting weaker.

9. Look at Shady Clothing. This was seriously fail. Look at G-Unit clothing. Epic fail. Eminem stayed focused on his music during rehab? It's not that Eminem isn't trying to have a good business, he doesn't know how to. Seriously, he doesn't know how to manage a record label very well. Look at Cashis and Stat Quo.

10. This is COMPLETELY opinion. I do agree that Eminem is better than Jay-Z in some areas as an MC, but Jay-Z does has his traits and several classics up his belt, where-is Eminem has one. I mean classic as if the street and the critics regard it as "classic", not if some group of Stans think it is.

Let's make a poll about Reasonable Doubt vs. The Marshall Mathers LP/The Eminem Show on a strictly hip-hop forum and see who wins?

Please, I've heard all your arguments before. They're played out. Especially the "ether" one.

Hmmm.. I dont know about Shady games or whatever. But @ least he didnt co-sign a mineral water or a condom like 50 did.
But some of his ventures are more practical and logical; for example an uncensored rap station was a good legitimate move

Exactly why Shade45 is such a BIG radio station and everyone knows about it.

Come harder next time please.

Only MeathookSodomy can even put out legit claims and keep his cool at the same time. I respect him.


On the other hand, EminemIVLife is just rambling on to defend his Jesus, which half are fail claims.

[Relapse.LP]

Advice for "Da.Relapse.LP" - Avoid the Eminem section because you seem to be wasting your time with your pointless ramblings. You may get some more important stuff done

Advice for "One Mic". If you can't accept some stuff about Eminem, you shouldn't even be here as well.

I doubt you even read my post. It's more legit than any comment you made.

[SajN]

Da.relapse.lp actually has great points and posts.

I am a big Eminem fan, but I can actually open my eyes and see his points.
They also make sense

[Relapse.LP]

Da.relapse.lp actually has great points and posts.

I am a big Eminem fan, but I can actually open my eyes and see his points.
They also make sense

Thanks. I am an Eminem fan too, believe it or not. If everyone here was a 2Pac Stan, believe me, I would have points to completely disregard 2Pac. 2Pac Stans are worse than Eminem Stans. They're wanna-be internet gangsters, literally. It's pretty fail.

[SajN]

^btw, you never responded to my PM.

[Relapse.LP]

Advice for "Da.Relapse.LP" - Avoid the Eminem section because you seem to be wasting your time with your pointless ramblings. You may get some more important stuff done

Advice for "One Mic". If you can't accept some stuff about Eminem, you shouldn't even be here as well.

I doubt you even read my post. It's more legit than any comment you made.

I did read your post.

Some of it made sense, and sometimes you speak real talk. However it is apparent you are on some sort of mission to wind up / troll the Stans, don't think I don't notice. Your over 1,000 posts deep on an Eminem forum and I'm yet to hear any praise for Eminem, from you.

Is Eminem even in your top 5 / top 10 rappers of all time? If not it begs the question why on earth you would register on TR SHADY?

Eminem is definitely in top 10. I registered long before you to "TALK ABOUT EMINEM". Who says we have to praise everything he does? I appreciate his music, but I can find his flaws.

Seriously, I find it more interesting to talk about an artist's flaws and what he can improve on rather than rambling on about how godly the artist is. Just my opinion...

Calling an artist great is pretty bland. What else is there to say...?

I'm not trying to troll up the Stans. LMAO.

[Wic Kid]

Da.relapse.lp actually has great points and posts.

I am a big Eminem fan, but I can actually open my eyes and see his points.
They also make sense

I do too, he does make a lotta sense in his posts. A smart old school hip hop fan, no doubt. But I gotta ask him for a favour: when you say stuff like "Reasonable Doubt > anything Eminem has or will put out", just make sure you put IMO after that. Cuz otherwise it seems like a well know fact, and its not. Its just someone's opinion...

[Relapse.LP]

Da.relapse.lp actually has great points and posts.

I am a big Eminem fan, but I can actually open my eyes and see his points.
They also make sense

I do too, he does make a lotta sense in his posts. A smart old school hip hop fan, no doubt. But I gotta ask him for a favour: when you say stuff like "Reasonable Doubt > anything Eminem has or will put out", just make sure you put IMO after that. Cuz otherwise it seems like a well know fact, and its not. Its just someone's opinion...

I stand corrected. I was trying to make a point. IMO, Reasonable Doubt is a stronger album than any Eminem HAS put out already. Relapse 2 could prove me wrong.

[Relapse.LP]

Da.Relapse.LP

So tell me. Why has there been a COMPLETE change of attitude from your posts since you first registered....compared to what they are like now? I don't believe anything you say tbh. You said you have been an "Eminem fan" since January 2009 lmao.

I have been reading first couple of pages of your first few posts....you sound a bit like a "Stan" yourself. I can't take you seriously anymore...

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i just dont want it to leak because it'll affect Eminem's album first week sales...

and i wanna see a good number

LMAO!
and i dont want low sales and bootlegging to discourage him from rapping

its not whether we think we can rap better than him...

but i think hes showing off his flow too much

EVERYONE knows hes got one of the most flexible flows of all rappers

we KNOW he can change his voice and accent at will to match various beats

we KNOW his songs have good lyrics

but we want something we LIKE

its not a show off game, marshall. you're already at the top of your game

LMAO.

Because I'm a Stan in disguise, no doubt.

[Relapse.LP]

LMAO.

Because I'm a Stan in disguise, no doubt.

You not going to give a justified response, just put "LMAO" and try and get away with it?

There is something dodgy about you and your posts. Mark my words...

Please, think about it like this.

We all had a phase where we loved Eminem like hell. Mine was right before Relapse was going to be released. I was pumped as fuck. Nothing more to discuss.

You think I'm dodgy? Lmao.

[Relapse.LP]

Please, think about it like this.

We all had a phase where we loved Eminem like hell. Mine was right before Relapse was going to be released. I was pumped as fuck. Nothing more to discuss.

You think I'm dodgy? Lmao.

Anyone with half a brain will realise your old posts and old "character" was an Eminem Stan, from the way you posted.

Now you're completely the opposite and have gone from one extreme to the other. If you're excited about a forthcoming release fine, but you don't change your whole persona which is why YES you are dodgy. Something not right.

Whatever you say, Holmes.

[Wic Kid]

Stay on topic buddies, last warning before I issue a actual warning

(dramatic music)

You really enjoy being a mod, dont you?...

[Relapse.LP]

Why are we talking about my past? LMAO.

Word, stay on topic.