Will Em ever be MJ status?

[RealSickLindley]

Know what you're saying as far as genre's, but i don't think MJ goes in a genre..

He had a sound, but what he was doing made him like the Mandela of music, i mean eminem can get a deep song across everyonce and a while to a few million people.. MJ had hundreds of millions playing a song like 'Man in the Mirror', a beautifully written song about changing yourself.. You can't reach that or even try and emulate it.. And that's not a barrier for em personally, we're talking about every artist that's ever come around.

He might not have the multies, but he used his world class dancing and vocals to make songs that not only sounded so good to everyone.. but they were telling you to keep your head up, be who you are, forget those with hate in their hearts, and even touched gracefully on the world and politics.

Em has influenced me more, but imo, there are certain levels in music you can reach. Every artist you can arguably place.. MJ created his own immortal level.

[Slill_Slim_Shady]

yeah if Em stars touching littel boys (just kiddink)
Now seriously i think he can't touch MJ (only Macaulay Culkin can ) and i'm sure he doesn't want. MJ was the biggest star in the music, i don't like him but if i have to be honest he was a real genious. MJ was always in the top with every song he leaked. But he was prisoner from his one fame... he was famous in almost his whole conscious life... the fame was him fate. How EmBase said MJ made an art to entertaining the ppl and he was doing it in the way that nobody can top it!!!!

[Shit Can Happen]

But that's the way it should be. Given what he does and how he does it, it's only right it should be that way. Like Gervais said - If you're doing anything right as an artist, you should assume as many people hate what you're doing as love it. Being safe, is not artistic. MJ is called an artist because he was very unique of course. He was an immortal dancer and was also involved with a lot of his visuals so in that sense he was an artist and it's what helped craft his iconic status.

But in terms of true artistry, with music; Eminem is the more reputable candidate for a legendary artist. MJ turned entertainment into an art. Eminem turns his thoughts into an art, he's been playing puppet master with the minds of millions for so long, to such a brilliant degree. He's much more impressive in that sense. What MJ did required a lot of practice but what Em does requires not only a lot of practice but consistent, individualistic, intellectual innovation. It's as good as your brain can make it. But what he does doesn't agree with everybody, it's not sugorcoated.

I agree that the nature of what Eminem does automatically means he won't get the same level of recognition (I basically said the same earlier in the thread), but I think you're underrating MJ's artistic merit by summing it up with his dancing ability/live performances/music videos. Your description of his artistry basically defines him as a more talented Usher or Chris Brown, and MJ would never put out some of the bullshit they do just to get a hit. The content of the music itself isn't just entertainment for the sake of entertainment; if it was, then it wouldn't be so timeless. It would sell in its respective time period, appeal to the fads and sounds of that generation and then be more or less forgotten. You see and hear a lot of that on the radio today. As most people would agree to, there aren't many artists who could create a timeless melody like Michael Jackson, and that in its own right requires a lot of thought. He's in the songwriter's hall of fame for a reason. And also, his music wasn't all safe topics (IE songs about love/girls). His material that delved into less common issues for a pop star admittedly doesn't get the same recognition as a Billie Jean or a Thriller... with a couple exceptions like Man In the Mirror, but if you really go through the music he made, he was a musical genius in pretty much every sense other than actually playing instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAi3dJIJwgI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gkCfz3cD_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-WfTw20P-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkQd4zOLnjc <-- this one's a lot more relevant now, aint it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6mWFsqh ... re=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfk1tAfTLvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbzMsIcp6fI

In the end, though, I think Em and MJ are both geniuses in their respective craft, and their said crafts are crazily different from each other so the concept of pinning down who's a "truer artist" is lost on me. Chances are it'll conveniently end up being whichever one you're a bigger fan of. Yes, Eminem's music does fuck with people more, but if that alone was enough to make somebody better then Lady GaGa would be a running candidate for G.O.A.T, and certainly more of an "artist" than MJ.

[EminemBase]

^ I'm not underrating MJ's artistic merit, it's just this thread is asking will EMINEM ever be as big as MJ.

So I spent enough time answering that, without having to delve into exactly why MJ is an immortal artist himself. It should be assumed anybody asking this question would know that anyway.

But they're still completely different types of artists and as brilliant as MJ was in the many aspects he influcned, it's still not even half as impressive to me as what Eminem does.

[Shit Can Happen]

^ I'm not underrating MJ's artistic merit, it's just this thread is asking will EMINEM ever be as big as MJ.

So I spent enough time answering that, without having to delve into exactly why MJ is an immortal artist himself. It should be assumed anybody asking this question would know that anyway.

Yeah I know, but I was responding to the description you did give of MJ's talents and artistry which seemed to cite the visual aspect exclusively when there was so much more than that.

But they're still completely different types of artists and as brilliant as MJ was in the many aspects he influcned, it's still not even half as impressive to me as what Eminem does.

Fair enough

[BILI]

Lose Yourself is the only thing that came close to MJ

[ChristinaE12]

Will Eminem ever have MJ status.. Straight up/forward = No. But I think he has if you are talkin in terms of being proportionate. If that makes sense...

Reason I say this is the same as others have. MJ appealed to more people. Pop music/artist. A lot larger fan base no matter how you look at it. Eminem is strictly Hip Hop. And just being in that genre/term alone you won't get a second look by the masses no matter how great one may be. And lets face it. Hip Hop never has been 'popular' or well received. Anywhere. Which basically stops Eminem of any chance of being a 'MJ' overall. With that said.. I would say Eminem is a MJ/Elvis of his own genre. Which is pure Hip Hop. Basically he is the biggest there can be for Hip Hop/Rap at this point in time.

Hopefully that makes sense. Ha.

[Shit Can Happen]

^ Nailed it, and incidentally I would nail you. Just saying.

[Berry]

He's Mariah carey status.

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