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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby 12characters » May 31st, '11, 07:42

I think this post basically summed it up :y:

katha wrote:Honestly, just giving birth to a child and then not abandoning him doesn't make you exempt from all criticism. Eminem slams her for neglecting and abusing him. If what he says is true (and his mother's public behaviour isn't exactly refuting his claims...) then he has every right to air his grievances. Children are vulnerable and totally dependent on their parents, it must have been scary growing up in that household. You also aren't owed love, loyalty and devotion just by being a parent. You earn that by being a good, loving and responsible parent.

Sadly repeating the dysfunctional patterns you learned at home is all too common, so perhaps it's not all that surprising that Em became an addict and that addiction wrecked havoc on his relationships with his children. But he takes responsibilty in his songs for all that as well. Deja Vu is just scathing, all that wit and ridicule directed against himself.


You can't blame someone for dissing their Mother if she's not being one.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby Sla » May 31st, '11, 07:49

Yeah, I hate conservative thoughts to always respect your parents, blablabla.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby TommiTMX » May 31st, '11, 09:30

I respect both of my parents; at the same time I do realise and note to them any flaws I think they have that could damage them or anyone else. I was always taught to be kind and respectful not just towards adults and older people, just to people in general.

I honestly don't agree with the "respect your elders" that people seem to follow blindly. If there's some sarcastic old person who just seems to hate everyone giving people abuse, as far as I'm concerned they will never earn or deserve my respect, it's up to them to prove me wrong.

So no, if Debbie did do some horrible things to him when he was younger (I don't really know, nor do I care generally, it is their life) then it's understandable that he's upset and using his art as a platform to express the anger is to be expected (since it's what most artists do). At the same time I don't really believe in staying angry for ages and I forgive and forget as a way of life (only way to truly be happy in my opinion), but he seems to have learnt that with old age too, and supposedly they reconciled anyway.

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I think that sums it up best.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby stella222 » May 31st, '11, 11:34

I don't think it's good for him because he keeps focusing on the past and fuels more negativity. There's no point to keep turning back. It won't erase anything from his past but his own negativity influences his current life. The best thing he can do for himself is forgive and let it go.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby SamiFFXII » May 31st, '11, 12:24

I mean i understand where his coming from, the way he was brought up, i don't think he was brought up to respect parents, or any of that moral stuff. Since they were so poor and living in a drug ridden neighborhood and his family were in a deplorable state, it was kind of he had to do anything to survive. Those kind of times you need a mother to show you love and affection and give you a certain amount of guidance. I think he was influenced by how he lived, the bullying he suffered and the lack of care shown to him.

But for me, i've been taught, (mainly because im Muslim) that respecting parents no matter what is cardinal to living a virtuous life. I wouldn't be able to disrespect my mother, i mean i used to swear at her, she constantly shouts and screams, and its hard trying not to tell her to shut up. But i feel since what she's done for me, i have no right to say to her or even sigh at her. Thats what Eminem lacked, in the terms of someone caring for him, he'd at least feel that he owed her something, which after what she did he doesn't. I would think it would be best if he just stayed distant from her and not made any songs about her, which he's doing now i guess.

Btw, whats going on with him and his dad, has he ever met him since he's become famous?
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby christalgurl » May 31st, '11, 14:23

The woman made a diss track against her own son; she tried to take $10 million dollars from him because he exposed her on a record. For Eminem, music is his way of getting out his feelings, so if he's feeling anger towards his mom, he's obviously going to make that record. It's a part of an artist. For her to do that is pretty low. Also, the fact that she obviously didn't treat him well as a kid, you can't blame him for having hard feelings. I'm sure that there's a part of Eminem who still loves his mom; she is his mom, after all. It's hard not to love your parents at least a little bit, but he's been hurt by her too many times. I can get that. I've had people in my life to hurt me so many times that it's impossible, at least for me, to just let it go or get over it. It breeds hate in someone to be treated like that. I don't know if it was a great idea to make the whole thing public, but I can certainly understand it, and no, I don't think he was wrong to diss her.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby the real slim shady » May 31st, '11, 15:26

unless youve been through what em has, you cant really say that he is right or wrong. Personally i dont disagree with it, because all of the stuff that em has said she did is pretty bad, but im not saying he is definately right cos i dont know it from her point of view. If anyone has been through what he has been through, then you have a valid opinion. To everyone who hasnt- stop trying to guess what happened and stop trying to work out if he is right or not (me included..).
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby Jiskefet » May 31st, '11, 22:05

I dont care wether he was right about dissin his mom or not. I just care about good music.

I wouldnt ever diss my own mom though, no matter what she would do. I agree with Le Tunesien there.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby Kez » Jun 1st, '11, 01:02

Let us keep in mind guys, she sued him for $10 million before he even made any kind of "diss track" to her. One throwaway line in My Name Is was all the excuse she needed to try and take everything he had worked for.

After that I would be the same.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby Le Tunisien » Jun 1st, '11, 01:30

Kez wrote:Let us keep in mind guys, she sued him for $10 million before he even made any kind of "diss track" to her. One throwaway line in My Name Is was all the excuse she needed to try and take everything he had worked for.

After that I would be the same.

its true that i would have hated her too for just that,cuz she acted so greedy like :n: but i dunno..i dont think i would ever say to my own mother "you fuckin bitch i hope you burn in hell" i dunno it sounds like em exagerated just to create the controversy,thats how i see it :y:
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby King Bullet » Jun 1st, '11, 02:40

le tunisien wrote:
Kez wrote:Let us keep in mind guys, she sued him for $10 million before he even made any kind of "diss track" to her. One throwaway line in My Name Is was all the excuse she needed to try and take everything he had worked for.

After that I would be the same.

its true that i would have hated her too for just that,cuz she acted so greedy like :n: but i dunno..i dont think i would ever say to my own mother "you fuckin bitch i hope you burn in hell" i dunno it sounds like em exagerated just to create the controversy,thats how i see it :y:



$10 million lawsuit is pretty good start...but you're forgettin' all the bullshit she put him through... so ''you fuckin bitch i hope you burn in hell'' is probably not just for 10 million dollars...it's probably more for 10 million other ways she hurt him and abused him... :coffee:
At least I know that I don't know...question is: are you bozos smart enough to feel stupid?!-hope so!!!
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby Manly Moose » Jun 1st, '11, 05:01

I'm 100% sure the whole Munchhausen syndrome thing where she make Em think he was sick or even do things to him to actually MAKE him sick just so she could get attention is a good reason why. Unless Em's straight up lieing shes a shitty ass mom and a shitty ass person.There's definitely a million more things that Em didnt put into songs and really, its not a big deal.

Also, why does this whole seem like its driven by religion and that thought that its unspeakable to not respect or *GASP* not like them. Its just like the old tradition of the father chooses who the daughter marries, its only there because of tradition. Quit acting like Em did something horrible or even worth talking about, I feel like on a Catholic forum. Not liking someone isnt groundbreaking.










This just in, Eminem said FUCK on a song. I feel it is morally wrong to curse, especially in a public way. It just destroys everything our society stands for.



EDIT: I know im exaggerating a lot as well.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby jba1me » Jun 1st, '11, 07:42

who here hasnt thought at one time or another..damn i hate my mom or fuck her..who here hasnt snapped and said fuck you bitch or at least thought it..then later you give her a hug and kiss and you love her..it might have just been his emotions at the time and he wanted to get them off his chest. its awesome because we all feel that way at one time and he captures it and we can vibe to it.
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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby Alex2012 » Jun 1st, '11, 14:44

This is Slim Shady no Justin Bieber and his mother is not Holy Debbie...

and he's an artist, he has the right to be unconventional !

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Re: Eminem Dissin His Own Mom..Agree With him?

Postby Graphic » Jun 1st, '11, 17:44

We aren't in a position to judge whether or not it's right for him to talk about his mom on his songs.

For one, we don't know the true story of what happened. In her book, Debbie says that Em's childhood was almost the opposite of what he describes in his songs. She writes that she never touched a single drug around her son, and she always spoiled him and treated him well. We all know what Em says in his songs, so I don't have to recap that. Essentially, he says the opposite.

I personally believe that they both exaggerate and that the truth is somewhere in the middle. Because we really have no way of knowing what the real story is, we're in no place to pass judgement on his words about her.

I'm going to be a hypocrite for a second here though. My opinion is as follows:

It's his music, and I think he should be able to say whatever he wants about whoever he wants. There shouldn't be categories that are off limits.

Just because she gave birth him doesn't mean that he has to worship her as a goddess until one of them dies. He has a right to dislike his mother just as he would dislike any other person. We just hear (or used to hear) a lot about it because he's a rapper and he writes about what's on his mind.

If you think that he shouldn't have dissed his mom, then you should also have a problem with him dissing Brittney Spears, saying "faggot", and rapping about having sex with his teacher in junior high. He says "offensive" (I hate that word) things all the time.

This is Eminem we're talking about--since when do his fans question whether or not it's morally right for him to say something?
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