MMLP2 represents the MMLP well

[_Hawk_]

Embase, it is a revisitation to the mindset that made him make the MMLP. Him being cocky etc didn't create that album.

His critics fuelled it. His family fuelled it. His law suits fuelled it.

The same is true with MMLP2. Whilst the latter obviously hasn't taken place, it was fuelled in much the same way, and no other Eminem album has really been fuelled like this (apart from Recovery, perhaps, but that was more a means to reconcile with critics, rather than disprove them).

Seriously, you are focusing on his mindset in making the songs, rather the album as a collective. I seriously don't think you can see the vision he had.

[_Hawk_]

THIS is it:

The MMLP was a reactionary album. So is the MMLP2.
The mindset that Em was in when he made it is contemporary to that period. It just so happens that the middle-fingers to the world exemplified everything in the album. It glued because it wasn't a multifaceted period in his life. His ambition to prove his critics wrong was the prevailing motivation. He had to cement his spot in the rap game.

Em's mindset with MMLP2 is also reactionary, but in a different way.
He had to flip those middle fingers back to his Magnum Opus and escape those demons. But there are a lot more existential implications; he has to combat his critics, he has to stay true to himself, but he can't just put on a MMLP and go back into a character that he isn't.
So whilst you say the MMLP2 doesn't show a single-minded approach, I completely disagree. The album shows an enormous level of maturity and assurance in knowing what he is doing with it.
Every track serves a purpose.

[EminemBase]

Embase, it is a revisitation to the mindset that made him make the MMLP. Him being cocky etc didn't create that album.

His critics fuelled it. His family fuelled it. His law suits fuelled it.

The same is true with MMLP2. Whilst the latter obviously hasn't taken place, it was fuelled in much the same way, and no other Eminem album has really been fuelled like this (apart from Recovery, perhaps, but that was more a means to reconcile with critics, rather than disprove them).

Seriously, you are focusing on his mindset in making the songs, rather the album as a collective. I seriously don't think you can see the vision he had.

Okay, so you think MMLP is unique or... what defines it / connects the two is the fact it revolves around critics, fame and his family...

So could you explain how TES does NOT do that?

Eminem focuses on pretty much the same themes every album, EXCEPT MMLP, which is the most outward looking album in fact... people call it his most personal but he made the most social commentary and rapped about outside events more-so than ever.

SO how does MMLP2 featuring content about his family and critics make it MMLP lmao, he always raps about those things! He rapped about those things on Recovery!

And not really @ reconcile, I mean look at "On Fire"...

The point is Em has really not carried out a consistent album mindset since TES. He always tries to give too many points of view and that's why you get this bizarre mix all the time now like on Recovery where one minute he's rapping like he does on Cold Wind Blows... and the very next track he's totally realistic, apologetic... it makes no sense.

[Kill You]

This shit is gold.

[_Hawk_]

It is not WHAT he is rapping about. It is the initial motivation that fueled that.

TES is just that. Em reflecting, mostly, about the period inbetween MMLP and that album. But it was not fueled by critics saying he couldn't top his past work or anything similar (granted the family problems remain)

The critical similarities between the two MMLP's are obvious. MMLP2 was make or break for Eminem just as the first was.

EDIT:

Mate, I refuse to say more. It is obvious what I am saying.

Re-read my posts tomorrow when your head-space is clearer so you can really understand what I and Menzo, JC, Kill You et al said before me.

[EminemBase]

All this arguing has made me look like I dislike MMLP2 any way lmao and it's really just given an unrealistic impression of my view on the album. When in reality I'm enjoying it a lot.

I'm just disputing semantics and themes here, but w.e. shit is boring now.

@Hawk, still completely disagree with everything you just said and have a million more points, but shit is getting hella repetitive. So just keep our views separate and do what we do is coo'.

[Notalius]

[fifflaren]

this thread is disrespectful for the great mmlp