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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby shadyboymez » Dec 21st, '09, 18:18

comparing 2pac to 50 cent....what a joke

whatever, i guess its just a bunch of 90s baby eminem dick riders in here who cant see through the box around their heads

2pac and Eminem will never be touched

...but 2pac did more for me, he got me into rap music at a young age and over the years i've only come to appreciate him more.

for that guy who said it doesnt matter what you accomplish by what age...go fuck yourself. 2pac was spittin the hardest shit in his final year. He was on a whole other level when he entered the booth. I know that if he was still alive today , there would be at least 3 more classic rap albums by pac

im white so of course most would assume id choose eminem, but i judge with my ears not my eyes

i love eminem and am anticipating the hell out of Relapse 2, but i just get a little insulted when i see that nobody aagrees that 2pac is the greatest of all time. i thought if any hip hop fans were smart it'd be eminem fans :confusion:
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby EminemBase » Dec 21st, '09, 19:15

comparing 2pac to 50 cent....what a joke

whatever, i guess its just a bunch of 90s baby eminem dick riders in here who cant see through the box around their heads

2pac and Eminem will never be touched

...but 2pac did more for me, he got me into rap music at a young age and over the years i've only come to appreciate him more.

for that guy who said it doesnt matter what you accomplish by what age...go fuck yourself. 2pac was spittin the hardest shit in his final year. He was on a whole other level when he entered the booth. I know that if he was still alive today , there would be at least 3 more classic rap albums by pac

im white so of course most would assume id choose eminem, but i judge with my ears not my eyes


You truly are a moron of crippling degrees.

I didn't compare 2Pac to 50 Cent you walking void. YOU were the one who said Pac was 'real' so I was simply comparing the fact that 50 Cent is as real as it gets in terms of image and background but his music is shit. The point was to illustrate it's the MUSIC that matters, not how 'real' the person is.

You say 2Pac did more. No he didn't. Just because he got you into music, that's not doing more. Also, calling me a dick-rider just because I don't agree with your point of view? Go fuck yourself. I've given non-stop logical reasons as to why I think Eminem is better, that's not dick-riding, you cock.

And it was ME who said it matters not what you accomplish by a certain age, as you put it. But you misquoted the point. My point was, just because he accomplished more by a younger age, that doesn't make his music better. It's an irrelevant point fucker. So go fuck yourself.

im white so of course most would assume id choose eminem, but i judge with my ears not my eyes


Give me, a fucking break. Are you really such a stupendous IDIOT that you're going to try and use that LAME as FUCK cop-out with me? Well, evidently.

Where, in ANY of my defense for Eminem have I displayed racial tendencies? You're clearly a racist, small-minded fuck if you all you can think of to refute my points is this pathetic idea dating back to when he first came out.

Either that or you're too stupid to get my points so simply think this is the case. I think both. "Till I Collapse" beats the shit out of any 2Pac song whether Eminem is white or black. So shut the fuck up with this stupid argument.

2Pac's first two albums failed to make that much of an impact critically or commercially. It was only really his third and fourth albums that made a major impact, helped largely by the intense drama related to him going to jail, his gangsta lifestyle and his Biggie beef. Obviously the music was great but you're totally overstating how good he is and he was nowhere near as good as Eminem was and is.

Where as Em's first two major records were both classics and both made a gigantic impact Worldwide and on hip-hop. His next was also a classic. Three straight hip-hop classics... In a row. This man was untouchable. Not only that but he totally changed each album. Compare a 99 song to a 00 song from Eminem.

Compare "My Name Is" to "The Way I Am" or even two songs from the same year. Lets say... "Drug Ballad" to "Amityville". Totally different. He sounds totally different on almost every track he makes now. He's created fucking hundreds of styles. Where as you can pretty much take ANY 2Pac song and he'll have the same flow and will be mentioning hennessy and how the cops can suck his dick etc.

I'm not trying to take away from anything 2Pac was or did but he doesn't even touch the sides of Eminem's artistry. You trying to say his flow was better than what, any of Eminem's 10 thousand flows. You trying to say Pac's flow was harder than "The Way I Am"'s? or more precise than "Stay Wide Awake". You trying to say his wordplay was more manic and sharper than "Buffalo Bill"?

You trying to say he created a concept anywhere near as important and era-defining as "Stan"? Or as powerful as "Kim?". Did he ever create a fucking zeitgeist shifting, mood-setting, time-capsule song such as "Sing for the Moment"? or a political thumping powerhouse anywhere approaching the scope, perfection and beauty of "White America" or "Mosh"? Not a fucking chance.

2Pac was no Eminem. 2Pac deserves his place in history but he's not close to being the best in any field. He can be your favourite but don't even try to say he's a better ARTIST than Eminem. Not a chance.

Now be gone you senseless drone. And don't have the cheek to imply I'm lacking in intelligence because I refuse to accept your deluded view about Tupac Shakur. You prick.
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby Satire » Dec 21st, '09, 19:20

EminemBase wrote:You truly are a moron of crippling degrees.

I didn't compare 2Pac to 50 Cent you walking void. YOU were the one who said Pac was 'real' so I was simply comparing the fact that 50 Cent is as real as it gets in terms of image and background but his music is shit. The point was to illustrate it's the MUSIC that matters, not how 'real' the person is.

You say 2Pac did more. No he didn't. Just because he got you into music, that's not doing more. Also, calling me a dick-rider just because I don't agree with your point of view? Go fuck yourself. I've given non-stop logical reasons as to why I think Eminem is better, that's not dick-riding, you cock.

And it was ME who said it matters not what you accomplish by a certain age, as you put it. But you misquoted the point. My point was, just because he accomplished more by a younger age, that doesn't make his music better. It's an irrelevant point fucker. So go fuck yourself.

2Pac's first two albums failed to make that much of an impact critically or commercially. It was only really his third and fourth albums that made a major impact, helped largely by the intense drama related to him going to jail, his gangsta lifestyle and his Biggie beef. Obviously the music was great but you're totally overstating how good he is and he was nowhere near as good as Eminem was and is.

Where as Em's first two major records were both classics and both made a gigantic impact Worldwide and on hip-hop. His next was also a classic. Three straight hip-hop classics... In a row. This man was untouchable. Not only that but he totally changed each album. Compare a 99 song to a 00 song from Eminem.

Compare "My Name Is" to "The Way I Am" or even two songs from the same year. Lets say... "Drug Ballad" to "Amityville". Totally different. He sounds totally different on almost every track he makes now. He's created fucking hundreds of styles. Where as you can pretty much take ANY 2Pac song and he'll have the same flow and will be mentioning hennessy and how the cops can suck his dick etc.

I'm not trying to take away from anything 2Pac was or did but he doesn't even touch the sides of Eminem's artistry. You trying to say his flow was better than what, any of Eminem's 10 thousand flows. You trying to say Pac's flow was harder than "The Way I Am"'s? or more precise than "Stay Wide Awake". You trying to say his wordplay was more manic and sharper than "Buffalo Bill"?

You trying to say he created a concept anywhere near as important and era-defining as "Stan"? Or as powerful as "Kim?". Did he ever create a fucking zeitgeist shifting, mood-setting, time-capsule song such as "Sing for the Moment"? or a political thumping powerhouse anywhere approaching the scope, perfection and beauty of "White America" or "Mosh"? Not a fucking chance.

2Pac was no Eminem. 2Pac deserves his place in history but he's not close to being the best in any field. He can be your favourite but don't even try to say he's a better ARTIST than Eminem. Not a chance.

Now be gone you senseless drone. And don't have the cheek to imply I'm lacking in intelligence because I refuse to accept your deluded view about Tupac Shakur. You prick.


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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby shadyboymez » Dec 21st, '09, 19:33

clearly you live to defend eminem, going off on a 2 page rant like that. well its the same with me and 2pac.

you arent a genious just because you can admit eminem changes his style. im well aware bro

you make many valid points. eminem changes styles like no other. he puts it all into the music, like pac did. eminem is my favorite rapper in the game right now and has been for as long as i can remember. eminem is a huge influence on me as a person and a writer.

i get so pumped when i hear anything new by em. i was in seventh grade when a friend let me borrow both the slim shady lp and 2pac's me against the world, and i instantly was hooked on both.

all i am saying is that i cant place eminem any higher than 2pac . i may have gone overboard with a few comments, but i am loyal to pac for my own reasons, and nobody needs to agree with me. im old school, and wouldnt be the person i am today without mr. fuck the world (aka tupac shakur), just as much as i wouldnt be the same without eminem. they are the two biggest hip hop influences in my life and are the 2 best ever in my mind.

i cant go on anymore, because im starting to feel like im doubting eminems talent, which just isnt right.

dont tell me im racist, thats not the case at all....i just get a little crazy when defending tupac...just like most of you guys do with eminem.

one more thing...eminem did one thing that i think he should regret, producing 2pac's Loyal to the Game. that album was garbage, and eminem changed pacs tone way too much and the beats were pretty wack. that was a mistake

i apologize for coming off so negative and hypocritical, but i just couldnt believe nobody defended pac...but it is almost 2010, hes been dead since 96, so i shouldnt be surprised if people arent into him these days like i still am.

anyways, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and i have shared mine.
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby LLockhart86 » Dec 21st, '09, 19:38

EminemBase wrote:You truly are a moron of crippling degrees.


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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby EminemBase » Dec 21st, '09, 19:55

all i am saying is that i cant place eminem any higher than 2pac . i may have gone overboard with a few comments, but i am loyal to pac for my own reasons, and nobody needs to agree with me. im old school, and wouldnt be the person i am today without mr. fuck the world (aka tupac shakur), just as much as i wouldnt be the same without eminem. they are the two biggest hip hop influences in my life and are the 2 best ever in my mind.


Fine. And I wouldn't of had a problem with you saying that to you he's the best. But you were basically saying (paraphrasing) "2Pac is the best ever and anybody who thinks different is wrong and an idiot".

You literally said that if anybody thought different then they couldn't know 2Pac very well. My point is, this is nonsense. Me listening to 2Pac pre-dates me hearing Eminem as I didn't hear Eminem till 1999 after 2Pac was dead for three years so it's no use playing that card with me.

It's not just the fact Eminem changes styles. His flows are much more crafted and accomplished, he's also more versatile in lyricism. I mean he not only changes his style, he changes the way he writes music regularly. He also changes his subject matter a lot and he's a much better lyricist in every aspect. Anyway. You think Pac is the best, I think Em is.

I don't live to defend Eminem but when somebody says I just "don't know 2Pac" very well if I disagree he's the best ever, I get very insulted so yes I will rant. Also, I think you're maybe assuming a lot more work goes into these rants than actually does. I type very fast, we're talking minutes not hours so just because it looks like I'm dedicating my life to defending Eminem, it's really less than a minor percentage.

But fine anyway. We both have our opinions. I would agree with you that Em and Pac are definitely the two most influencial Worldwide. I wouldn't agree Pac is the #2 best though. I mean. It's hard to place anyone in order after Eminem to me because you have to say best for what reason. It's so versatile. Among the top 5 for me would be Nas and Mos Def though.

By the way, don't request I don't call you racist after you were the one who started the race game. Play the race card, get it straight back in your face. You implied I was only saying Eminem is better because he's white. A very ignorant thing to do. I wont tolerate ignorance towards me.
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby shadyboymez » Dec 21st, '09, 20:05

its all good eminembase. we have our opinions. i know you dont put your life into these rants. its all good conversation, no harm.

you are quite good at proving your points, much better than i am actually. i respect everyones opinion, even though i didnt come off that way at first.

just for the hell of it, here is my favorite 5 musicians list...just to stir things up haha

1. 2pac
2. Eminem
3. Led Zeppelin
4. Dave Matthews Band
5. The Doors

i laughed so hard when that one guy said he thinks eminem is the best because hes the only rapper he listens to. thats pretty ignorant if i must say so.
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby Relapse.LP » Dec 21st, '09, 20:15

I wish I could hop in this discussion, if only I found the perfect opening. :-k

Well, as you guys said: we all have different perspectives of "good lyricism".

For example, these lyrics on Kim...

Quit crying bitch, why do you always make me shout at you?
How could you?
Just leave me and love him out the blue


Is not an example of "good lyricism", IMO. It rhymes the same word with the same word. Yes, it does have multi-syllabic rhyming, but that is irrelevant. Furthermore, to all you people saying Kim was lyrically "on another level" and "had great imagery", that's probably only true, because Kim had Eminem literally screaming over the beat, so its effect on the listener was more visible. If Eminem did not scream that song, you fans would not be falling over your seat.

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EminemBase wrote:You truly are a moron of crippling degrees.


Lol =D>


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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby Relapse.LP » Dec 21st, '09, 20:17

And also, didn't I say no name-calling here? It's supposed to be a calm debate. :angry:
Yo, from the first to the last of it; delivery is passionate/
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby EminemBase » Dec 21st, '09, 20:19

1. 2pac
2. Eminem
3. Led Zeppelin
4. Dave Matthews Band
5. The Doors


Hmm, well it'd be hard to say favorite five musicians. I pretty much only listen to hip-hop.

I also used to and still like... Oasis and Coldplay. But other than that I don't diversity across genres much. I know Oasis and Coldplay very well and would consider them both pretty incredible, I mean Noel is the driving force in Oasis but their musicianship as a whole is very consistent.

But I don't listen to them enough to put them in my top five.

I've always been in such a tunnel-vision with rap that it's hard for me to judge other music against it because I'm constantly just looking for qualities I look for in good rap, in that music. Which obviously doesn't happen as it doesn't work that way lol.

It's part choice, part... Obsession that I do that though. I don't really consciously force myself not to listen to other genres but I'm so obsessive about things like wordplay etc. That I just never stop exploring rap, I feel like I don't have time for other music yet. I'm like that with everything though.

I'll try to give you my top rappers or hip-hop acts though...

1. Eminem
2. Nas
3. Mos Def
4. OutKast
5. Xzibit

Xzibit is especially underrated. Probably the most underrated mainstream rapper ever. His song "Paparazzi" is close to a rap masterpiece and he's a stellar lyricist. And has a monstrously magnetic flow. He gets inside your brain, like Em.

Royce Da 5'9" deserves his place in any top 10 list too IMO. He may not of put out a straight up classic album yet but Street Hop was very close and now that he's making things happen again and is friends with Em... I think we can expect some special produce from that man.

Redman would also be in my top ten.
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby LLockhart86 » Dec 21st, '09, 20:21

Everyone please stop using the world Lyricism
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby Relapse.LP » Dec 21st, '09, 20:22

llockhart86 wrote:Everyone please stop using the world Lyricism

Why?
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby LLockhart86 » Dec 21st, '09, 20:23

I dont know, everyone uses the word. Ive never heard the word , or saw , before coming to this forum.

It just urks me.
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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby Relapse.LP » Dec 21st, '09, 20:24

llockhart86 wrote:I dont know, everyone uses the word. Ive never heard the word , or saw , before coming to this forum.

It just urks me.

Lyricism is a very broad term that encompasses a variety of factors.
Yo, from the first to the last of it; delivery is passionate/
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Projectile that them blasted with; accurate assassin shit/
Me and Kweli close like... Bethlehem and Nazareth/


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Re: Eminem is the best of all-time.

Postby LLockhart86 » Dec 21st, '09, 20:30

But do you say it in everyday conversations.
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