Eminem vs Immortal Technique?

[whiteamerica]

Trigger you are so naive lol. Eminem sold out, get over it. He completely changed his style, started rapping over pop beats with pop artists.

there are glimpses (certain songs) of the eminem we wanna see. in order to sell he has to appeal to his real fans as well. but for the most part class is right

[whiteamerica]

^^^lol

[dead prez]

What? How did I prove your point, exactly? I said Eminem GENUINELY thinks Wayne is dope, sales have nothing to do with it. Wayne didn't sell Recovery, Em sold Recovery, with some help from Rihanna, I admit. But Rihanna wasn't put on the album TO SELL the album, because Em really wanted to work with Rihanna too. See, you gotta think about someone's intentions. Em never INTENDED for Recovery to be as popular as it is, that's just what ended up happening

I have not proven your point at all. Putting these artists on his songs DOES NOT make him a sell-out. I don't care what you say, but an artist's name being on a song shouldn't affect the way you listen to it (unless they are bad, of course, which is all up to personal opinion and not actual fact)

So you don't think rapping with G rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGjW59TBHkw

to rapping with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfBX6lAcAK8

is selling out? Well I'll be

[xxTrigger1989xx]

eminem may not have wanted it to sell like it did... or maybe it wasnt his main focus. but obviously his label did...........

how can you know exactly what em thinks?

We can't know what he thinks, but Em has stated that he thinks Wayne is dope and he loves working with him. Not for sales, but for the music. And, Em has also said he wanted Rihanna on the album. The label doesn't have total control of what he puts out, just look at Relapse. Relapse is damn near unmarketable because of it's content, yet it still managed to sell a shitload (I'm NOT bashing Relapse, by the way, but from a business standpoint, if anyone but Em put out Relapse it wouldn't have gotten nearly any recognition)

We just have to take his word for it, but he has stated that he genuinely wanted Rihanna on the album, and the fact that he worked with Wayne is because he likes it. Not because of sales or his labels

[whiteamerica]

eminem may not have wanted it to sell like it did... or maybe it wasnt his main focus. but obviously his label did...........

how can you know exactly what em thinks?

We can't know what he thinks, but Em has stated that he thinks Wayne is dope and he loves working with him. Not for sales, but for the music. And, Em has also said he wanted Rihanna on the album. The label doesn't have total control of what he puts out, just look at Relapse. Relapse is damn near unmarketable because of it's content, yet it still managed to sell a shitload (I'm NOT bashing Relapse, by the way, but from a business standpoint, if anyone but Em put out Relapse it wouldn't have gotten nearly any recognition)

We just have to take his word for it, but he has stated that he genuinely wanted Rihanna on the album, and the fact that he worked with Wayne is because he likes it. Not because of sales or his labels

you've never said you liked someone you didn't in order to make other people happy??? are you human???

[whiteamerica]

and from a business standpoint... did it really matter what em put out after 5 years of nothing? wasn't everyone curious about what it'd be like anyway?.... recovery had to be mainstream to sell as much because relapse disappointed that mainstream audience

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Trigger you are so naive lol. Eminem sold out, get over it. He completely changed his style, started rapping over pop beats with pop artists.

How the fuck am I naive? All I said was Em is NOT a sell out for COLLABORATING with these artists. Jesus fucking Christ. You can call him a sell out for any other thing, fine then, whatever, that's your fucking opinion, but collaborating with Wayne and Rihanna doesn't make someone a sell out. If Sadistik collaborated with Wayne, what would you do? Call him a sell out too? GTFO, that's the whole point I've been trying to make, but everyone keeps wanting to be faggots about it. Fuck this fucking thread, I'm done with this dumb ass argument

@whiteamerica: You're fucking stupid for someone who has their username as one of my favorite Eminem songs. Really, that was the dumbest response you could have come up with. No, I've never said I liked someone that I didn't because not everyone is fucking fake like that. If I don't like someone, I don't hide it

[Satire]

If Sadistik collaborated with Wayne, what would you do? Call him a sell out too?

Yes.

[dead prez]

Trigger you are so naive lol. Eminem sold out, get over it. He completely changed his style, started rapping over pop beats with pop artists.

How the fuck am I naive? All I said was Em is NOT a sell out for COLLABORATING with these artists. Jesus fucking Christ. You can call him a sell out for any other thing, fine then, whatever, that's your fucking opinion, but collaborating with Wayne and Rihanna doesn't make someone a sell out. If Sadistik collaborated with Wayne, what would you do? Call him a sell out too? GTFO, that's the whole point I've been trying to make, but everyone keeps wanting to be faggots about it. Fuck this fucking thread, I'm done with this dumb ass argument

You didn't address me are Mobb Deep sellouts for collabing with Lil Jon when they collabed with lyricists like Cormega, Nas, And G rap?

[classthe_king]

If Sadistik collaborated with Wayne, what would you do? Call him a sell out too?

No because Sadistik would be doing it to get more fans, so that more people can hear his music. Eminem already has all the fans in the world, he doesn't need to collab with Lil Wayne for that.

[whiteamerica]

@whiteamerica: You're fucking stupid for someone who has their username as one of my favorite Eminem songs. Really, that was the dumbest response you could have come up with. No, I've never said I liked someone that I didn't because not everyone is fucking fake like that. If I don't like someone, I don't hide it

a lot of people in here agree that eminem sold out....

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Trigger you are so naive lol. Eminem sold out, get over it. He completely changed his style, started rapping over pop beats with pop artists.

How the fuck am I naive? All I said was Em is NOT a sell out for COLLABORATING with these artists. Jesus fucking Christ. You can call him a sell out for any other thing, fine then, whatever, that's your fucking opinion, but collaborating with Wayne and Rihanna doesn't make someone a sell out. If Sadistik collaborated with Wayne, what would you do? Call him a sell out too? GTFO, that's the whole point I've been trying to make, but everyone keeps wanting to be faggots about it. Fuck this fucking thread, I'm done with this dumb ass argument

You didn't address me are Mobb Deep sellouts for collabing with Lil Jon when they collabed with lyricists like Cormega, Nas, And G rap?

No, I don't really care as long as the music's good. Seeing an artist's name DOES NOT AFFECT the way I look at the song, like I keep on stressing

Now that I've answered you, I'm done with this thread

[classthe_king]

How old are you? Jw, 14? 15?

[whiteamerica]

what is appealing about lil wayne??? does he have any songs that are even semi-deep or meaningful?

i'm just saying wayne is just a metaphor spamming retard who sounds like he sucks helium before he records

[whiteamerica]

How old are you? Jw, 14? 15?

i know that was meant for trigger, i'm 16.... some young people are more reasonable than others, and enjoy music that takes an ounce of concentration to understand