Em or Jay- Who Had A Worst

[Wreck]

Period During their downfall?

Em's we probably can all agree was post TES-8 Mile SDTK, during and around Encore 2004-2007 and Jay's I think was after he retired after The Black Album which was a classic, so Kingdom Come, then American Gangster I thought was a good album but nothing great and not typically what Jay puts out, and some people argue that TB3 was shit too, but I think he's gotten out of his bad period, and same with Em since Recovery. Debate.

[Wreck]

Edit: Idk if this belongs in the Eminem section, or in Hip Hop Domain, probably the latter, so mods do as you wish .

[Wreck]

Definitely Em...
I mean i don't wanna sound racist but Black people can rap about anything (Drugs, gangs, weed, girls..etc)
But when Em fell off he almost didn't spit anything that any rap fan can pump.
And yeah, he fell off during 2004-2007. It doesn't take away his work on "Like Toy Soldiers" & "No Apologies" even tho No Apologies was written before 2006!

This. And yeah definitely, I totally agree. I thought Mosh was a nice lil masterpiece too, and no one can forget the Bonus disc song material from Encore as well.

[Wreck]

To add to what Revolutionary said, not to mention Em is the BIGGEST hip hop star/rapper in the world too, so when he falls off, he falls off the fucking planet. When Jay or Nas does, no one gives AS a fuck as when Em does, and Em did so really bad.

[Rash J]

To add to what Revolutionary said, not to mention Em is the BIGGEST hip hop star/rapper in the world too, so when he falls off, he falls off the fucking planet. When Jay or Nas does, no one gives AS a fuck as when Em does, and Em did so really bad.

Yep

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I still like Em at his worst better than Jay at his worst. That's just me though

[doom_2k]

I still like Em at his worst better than Jay at his worst. That's just me though

[Satire]

They were both pretty bad, but the thing is it's sadder to see Em in that stage of his life than it is to see Jay. Jay was still making bangers and radio hits because regardless of his lyrical content, he's Jay. He just does that. He's a business man. That's his thing. He was a great lyricist and MC at one point, but the transition to executive was nice, gradual & predictable. He still had the "New York"-subject matter and great production & hooks to fall back on.

Em, on the other hand, almost instantly went from making songs like "Lose Yourself" to "Big Weenie". And yes, before you obnoxiously point it out like everyone who defends Encore like to do, I am aware of "Like Toy Soldiers". I am aware of "Mockingbird". I hated one of these songs and I thought the other was sub-par for Em's standards, (Go ahead and guess which) which only further proves my point.

Other than Reasonable Doubt, Jay-Z has always had the mainstream sound to him. It's no surprise he decides to dumb it down because he believes it will sell records. Em has and always will be a lyricist, and it didn't even look like he was "dumbing it down" or "selling out", he looked like he fell the fuck off because he didn't care anymore. Not only that, there's almost no debate that Em had the worse songs out of both of their catalogs in their decline. (INB4 YEAH BUT EM ALSO HAS THE BEST ONES. Thats not the fucking point. )

TL;DR: Eminem had a way bigger fall. If you're an Em fan, and think Em is better than Jay, you wouldn't even deny that because Em had a way higher peak to fall from. Em was making some alright songs, but so had Jay, and Em made some really fucking make-you-cringe-to-the-point-it-requires-replaying-SSLP-to-remind-you-why-you-still-listen-to-him-type-of-songs.

Also,

same with Em since Recovery. Debate.

>> Implying that Relapse was part of his decline.

[Wreck]

I still like Em at his worst better than Jay at his worst. That's just me though

I do too, but Em still fell harder, but a lot of it was what I said, about being the biggest hip hop star, a huge celebrity can lead to problems.

[Wreck]

same with Em since Recovery. Debate.

>> Implying that Relapse was part of his decline. [/quote]

Yeah nice find there lol. He was nice during Relapse but he still was on his decline. Beautiful, the biggest record on the Relapse record was written when he was at his lowest point from a physical and mental standpoint. The lyricism on Relapse is excellent but albums wise it's decent. Eminem albums wise it sucks donkey dick , yeah.

[Wreck]

They were both pretty bad, but the thing is it's sadder to see Em in that stage of his life than it is to see Jay. Jay was still making bangers and radio hits because regardless of his lyrical content, he's Jay. He just does that. He's a business man. That's his thing. He was a great lyricist and MC at one point, but the transition to executive was nice, gradual & predictable. He still had the "New York"-subject matter and great production & hooks to fall back on.

Em, on the other hand, almost instantly went from making songs like "Lose Yourself" to "Big Weenie". And yes, before you obnoxiously point it out like everyone who defends Encore like to do, I am aware of "Like Toy Soldiers". I am aware of "Mockingbird". I hated one of these songs and I thought the other was sub-par for Em's standards, (Go ahead and guess which) which only further proves my point.

I bet you hated LTS and you thought Mockingbird was sub-par, cause how can anyone say LTS sucks, even if you don't like the song personally?

[Satire]

They were both pretty bad, but the thing is it's sadder to see Em in that stage of his life than it is to see Jay. Jay was still making bangers and radio hits because regardless of his lyrical content, he's Jay. He just does that. He's a business man. That's his thing. He was a great lyricist and MC at one point, but the transition to executive was nice, gradual & predictable. He still had the "New York"-subject matter and great production & hooks to fall back on.

Em, on the other hand, almost instantly went from making songs like "Lose Yourself" to "Big Weenie". And yes, before you obnoxiously point it out like everyone who defends Encore like to do, I am aware of "Like Toy Soldiers". I am aware of "Mockingbird". I hated one of these songs and I thought the other was sub-par for Em's standards, (Go ahead and guess which) which only further proves my point.

I bet you hated LTS and you thought Mockingbird was sub-par, cause how can anyone say LTS sucks, even if you don't like the song personally?

Other way around.

[Wreck]

Other way around.

Like Toy Soldiers is still a classic hip hop song because of just the song itself (raps, beat, flow, etc.) and the heavy message it brings on top of it, as far as how dangerous and deadly hip hop beefs can lead to. That's why some people regard it as a gem on a album full of club songs and farting around.

[Satire]

Other way around.

Like Toy Soldiers is still a classic hip hop song because of just the song itself (raps, beat, flow, etc.) and the heavy message it brings on top of it, as far as how dangerous and deadly hip hop beefs can lead to. That's why some people regard it as a gem on a album full of club songs and farting around.

I wouldn't consider it classic at all, lol. His flow and rhymes weren't exactly amazing (which is why I clearly said it was sub-par, for Em's standards). The best part of it was the sample in the chorus & the message, and just like he does all over Encore, he delivers it in a monotonous and robotic voice. He sounds bored, as if he's doing this song because he's expected to discuss the beef somewhere on Encore.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I don't like Like Toy Soldiers that much either

I'm not sure I quite see the appeal. It's an okay song, but it's nothing fantastic, nothing special