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People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby EminemBase » Jun 21st, '11, 22:05

Originally I assumed this too. But for anyone who hasn't read it already, in the Complex 'making of' the EP, Royce reveals getting Bruno on that hook was his idea.

So, for all those of us thinking it was Em or even Interscope just forcing a guaranteed hit, clearly that wasn't the case. I think it's pretty obvious Royce is taking advantage of his newfound Em friendship and saw the opportunity for a big hit, to elevate his own career.

Which, I wouldn't even care about that much if the song didn't ruin the flow of the EP, sound ridiculous there and make people think Em is one who did it. As, my friend said he was just listening to radio and the guys on it were criticizing Em - calling him a sell-out, for the track and praising Royce...

Even though it was Royce who got Bruno! :facepalm2
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby Trimss » Jun 21st, '11, 22:11

Fucking this. When I read the interview i immediately posted it on the thread. Wh always bashing Em?
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby Mahmoud48 » Jun 21st, '11, 22:13

Eminem sold out with Hi my name is
Eminem never claimed to be a hard MC
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby Sam. » Jun 21st, '11, 22:15

royce is a sell out :o
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby EminemBase » Jun 21st, '11, 22:16

Mahmoud48 wrote:Eminem sold out with Hi my name is
Eminem never claimed to be a hard MC


:facepalm2 He didn't sell-out with "My Name Is".

That track was a spoof record. How is rapping about raping lesbians and drinking vodka selling-out. That's the shit he always raps about.

Making a more catchy song to be a single isn't selling-out. If you want to have a voice and be recognized, it's part of the game.

But he's always said anything he wants to, any way he wants to on his albums. You can't claim somebody who does that has sold-out as that's the opposite. Sold out with "My Name Is"? not a hard MC? oh, so, The Marshall Mathers LP was a sell-out album and not hardcore then? :laughing:
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Jun 21st, '11, 22:17

Mahmoud48 wrote:Eminem sold out with Hi my name is
Eminem never claimed to be a hard MC


i remember when mahmoud used to be someone on this site. :coffee:

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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby SajN » Jun 21st, '11, 22:18

EminemBase wrote:
Mahmoud48 wrote:Eminem sold out with Hi my name is
Eminem never claimed to be a hard MC


:facepalm2 He didn't sell-out with "My Name Is".

That track was a spoof record. How is rapping about raping lesbians and drinking vodka selling-out. That's the shit he always raps about.

Making a more catchy song to be a single isn't selling-out. If you want to have a voice and be recognized, it's part of the game.

But he's always said anything he wants to, any way he wants to on his albums. You can't claim somebody who does that has sold-out as that's the opposite. Sold out with "My Name Is"? not a hard MC? oh, so, The Marshall Mathers LP was a sell-out album and not hardcore then? :laughing:

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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby EminemBase » Jun 21st, '11, 22:22

Devil'sAdvocate wrote:
Mahmoud48 wrote:Eminem sold out with Hi my name is
Eminem never claimed to be a hard MC


i remember when mahmoud used to be someone on this site. :coffee:

come on Embase,the dude is trolling and its so fucking easy to catch and its so fucking lame,stepyobrainsup


The reason I answer posts like this as if not 'trolls' is because I don't play the 'troll' game as it's boring as fuck and repetitive. "awww dude I'm trolling man haha", yeah wow, brilliant.

It's because I under-estimate people on this site as I've seen much more idiotic posts made and meant to be serious. There's a shitload of retards on this site, so I just assume he's serious. As I don't know him or know what he thinks. And I've seen many people here say things like that, and mean it.
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby HereHere » Jun 21st, '11, 22:29

Trimss wrote:Fucking this. When I read the interview i immediately posted it on the thread. Wh always bashing Em?


Because people feel the need to call any mainstream artist a sell-out, whilst praising underground rappers that would probably jump at the chance to perform with someone mainstream.
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby TheGentlePlayer » Jun 21st, '11, 23:35

EminemBase wrote:Originally I assumed this too. But for anyone who hasn't read it already, in the Complex 'making of' the EP, Royce reveals getting Bruno on that hook was his idea.

So, for all those of us thinking it was Em or even Interscope just forcing a guaranteed hit, clearly that wasn't the case. I think it's pretty obvious Royce is taking advantage of his newfound Em friendship and saw the opportunity for a big hit, to elevate his own career.

Which, I wouldn't even care about that much if the song didn't ruin the flow of the EP, sound ridiculous there and make people think Em is one who did it. As, my friend said he was just listening to radio and the guys on it were criticizing Em - calling him a sell-out, for the track and praising Royce...

Even though it was Royce who got Bruno! :facepalm2


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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby momentsgolden » Jun 22nd, '11, 01:40

What is a sell-out? From this site it seems to be-

Changing your style of music
to make radio friendly music
so that you create sales and fans.

If that is the one, then My Name Is was a sell-out track. If its not the definition then whatever, its not.

Thing that bothers me though is it seems people act as if Eminem started making radio-friendly music with Recovery. Its been his mojo from the very start... all the way back to the infinite days! (stylistically, not content wise). I dont mind it, but for those who do its fucking stupid.
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby Trimss » Jun 22nd, '11, 01:49

^ Well, a sell-out in a hip hop dictionnary is more like this.

"Changing your style of music,
dumb it down, lose your integrity
to make radio friendly music
and gain fans and sales"

see ex: Snoop Dogg.
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby Elision » Jun 22nd, '11, 01:58

So? It's a quality song...
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with this nose i don't need a torch up
bustin through, light the industry's porsche up
comin after who didn't support us...
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby EminemBase » Jun 22nd, '11, 02:16

momentsgolden wrote:What is a sell-out? From this site it seems to be-

Changing your style of music
to make radio friendly music
so that you create sales and fans.

If that is the one, then My Name Is was a sell-out track. If its not the definition then whatever, its not.

Thing that bothers me though is it seems people act as if Eminem started making radio-friendly music with Recovery. Its been his mojo from the very start... all the way back to the infinite days! (stylistically, not content wise). I dont mind it, but for those who do its fucking stupid.


No, "My Name Is" is not comparable to "Lighters".

Selling-out is compromising your style or views for the sake of money or fame.

"My Name Is" wasn't that. None of his leading singles were, as they're still totally him, they're still hip-hop and he's still saying what he wants. He watered himself down a bit in order to get played on radio but wanting to be heard isn't the same as selling out.

He's just aware you need a hit and to be heard, to drive the album sales. And why would you make an album to release to the public unless you wanted others to hear it too.

But, "Lighters" isn't just watered down, the chorus is written within a cliche context, with cliche lyrics made to be sung in a stadium and translate the Atlantic and sung by a cheesy pop singer that has no reason to be on the EP other than to make that song big.

That's a big difference. If it doesn't compromise the style or aim of the art / music fair enough. But the fact they couldn't hear how ridiculous that song sounds on the EP, just as all the fans and critics could is beyond me. Or maybe they did and didn't care. Which is a shame.
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Re: People Thinking Em Constructed "Lighters"

Postby Elision » Jun 22nd, '11, 02:52

God damnit EmBase, why are you so pissed about it? It's a good song. Has Em not put out enough raw shit in the last 15 years? Let's not talk about the 90% of his works that's raw as fuck, no, let's focus on this one track he decided to do with Bruno Mars (who is actually very good at what he does) and make it much more of a bigger deal that it actually needs to be... And Fast Lane is their lead single from the album, so stop with the whole "It's for the radio" bullshit.

Calm the fuck down, if you don't like the song, skip it, stop fucking shit up for those of us who enjoy it.
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