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Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby babyjane » Aug 13th, '11, 01:31

I don't know if this belongs here or shady chit chat.....it makes some interesting points.

My goal after listening to the debut album from The Throne, the rap "supergroup" featuring Jay-Z and Kanye West, was to compare it to Bad Meets Evil, the duo comprised of Eminem and Royce da 5'9". The comparisons are common, but ultimately unfair, I realized. Eminem is a full blown superstar, and Royce is an able Motor City motor-mouth, but it doesn't add up to Jay-Z and Kanye, a duo Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Vince Young might describe as a "dream team."

What the two albums really made me think about was how differently Jay-Z and Eminem are carrying out their careers at the moment. Neither is at their creative high point right now, but only Eminem has gotten, dare I say, boring.

Jay-Z's "The Blueprint 3" was not "The Blueprint." But Eminem's most recent albums, "Relapse" and "Recovery," were more noticeably different, and not because of skill but because of style. Eminem faced down his demons, battles with drugs and alcohol, and ultimately released two memoir albums. Most recognizable was his tribute to domestic in-fighting, "Love The Way You Lie." "Recovery" would be his third album nominated for Album of The Year at the Grammys (not just rap album, but album).

I sincerely congratulate Eminem for conquering alcoholism. But "Recovery" as album of the year? No way. What's sad is that it was his first album to be in serious contention. "The Marshall Mathers LP," still his masterstroke, was nominated as an obligatory nod to the buying public, never meant to contend with family friendly fare like Steely Dan's "Two Against Nature," the eventual winner in 2001.

It's because people like a comeback story. They make movies about guys who overcome adversity and get back to the top. They make movies about the stuff Eminem packed "Relapse" and "Recovery" with. The rapper came out of rehab and decided that he wanted to live up to those expectations. He wanted to rise out the gutter as the people's champ, and that meant ditching his old ways of celebrity bashing and shock inducing. He needs to realize that he's just not that guy.

The difference between he and Jay is another nature/nurture story. Both were born without fathers into relative poverty. Jay-Z's mother, Gloria Carter, was doting, and the rapper pays many a tribute to her. Eminem's mother, Debbie Mathers, was caught up in drugs and held a distaste for her son, leading to diss tracks like "Cleanin' Out My Closet." Jay-Z details in his book "Decoded" how when he began moving drugs at a young age, he learned never to sample the goods. Jay ended up the consummate professional, and Eminem was left in a perfect position to fall into substance abuse. Jay-Z has approached rap in the same way, whereas Eminem was a loose cannon, blowing holes into the fabric of American culture.

With vitriol like his, Em was frequently full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Blasting Mariah Carey was fun and humorous, but lacked real meaning. When he hits the nail on the head however, his ability is downright devastating.

There's "Stan," a well-structured and heartbreaking look into the mind of someone mentally disturbed. There's "Lose Yourself," the adrenaline shot that became one of the last decade's biggest songs and a locker room classic. And, my personal favorite, "White America," in which Eminem combines his intelligence and primal rage into one big fist to the face of popular culture. These tracks are the best of Eminem. And deep down, it seems Eminem agrees.

I saw Eminem last week at Lollapalooza and was a little disappointed. Writer Greg Kot from the Chicago Tribune summed up my thoughts almost dead on.

Eminem was "…one of the most notorious figures in pop culture, and also one of the most popular," he wrote. "Now, post-rehab he has become just as successful, but you're left wondering whether he's enjoying it."

Eminem took a verse or two out of a multitude of his hit singles in an attempt to squeeze them all into an hour-and-a-half set. For the first hour, he did not seem to be enjoying it. But when he added the extra nasal factor to his voice and he launched into "My Name Is" and "The Real Slim Shady," he sounded like the Em of old and the crowd ate it up.

I think his reunion of Bad Meets Evil is a good start. Granted, I don't think it was an especially great album, but it let him clear his head and revisit his offensive alter ego Slim. Regardless of the relative bubblegum pop that is "Lighters," there are more than enough crude references to things like Nikki Minaj's anatomy to prove that the brash and immature Eminem is still there.

Eminem set out to prove that he has matured, and I'm satisfied. He's not going to fall off the wagon and he has demonstrated countless times that he wants to be a better father to his child than he had. That's about as much mature as a man needs to be. Now he should kick back and let the crass kid inside out in the recording studio.

My advice is for Eminem to stop being whatever we say he is, and start being whatever he wants to be.

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I kind of agree that he rarely looks like he's enjoying himself lately. The last sentence is stupid. He is being what he wants to be it's just not what some want him to be. If he was being "being whatever we say he is" there would be no point to this commentary.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby BumShiv » Aug 13th, '11, 02:08

it had some good points. Good Read :y:
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby DanWS » Aug 13th, '11, 02:21

Some good points. Some not-so-good ones too, but some good ones nonetheless.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Amaranthine » Aug 13th, '11, 02:24

I disagree with the guy's belief that Em needs to "let the crass kid out". He's almost 39, he'd look ridiculous if he went back to the stupid part of Slim Shady. He's definitely still using Shady; Relapse was almost entirely Slim Shady, Recovery had a fair amount, and HTS was pretty much all Shady too. But now, it seems more mature to me [there's a better word, but I can't think of it], like We Made You, compared to the author's examples of My Name Is and TRSS and Without Me.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Elision » Aug 13th, '11, 02:27

babyjane wrote:It's because people like a comeback story. They make movies about guys who overcome adversity and get back to the top. They make movies about the stuff Eminem packed "Relapse" and "Recovery" with. The rapper came out of rehab and decided that he wanted to live up to those expectations. He wanted to rise out the gutter as the people's champ, and that meant ditching his old ways of celebrity bashing and shock inducing. He needs to realize that he's just not that guy.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby ColdWindCriminal » Aug 13th, '11, 02:39

It was a good read,but he put on one heck of a show at Lollapallooza and he seemed to be having a great time. He should switch up the setlist more though,seriously is it just me? or does he never play Say Goodbye Hollywood or Who Knew? He hasn't even played Cold Wind Blows.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Berry » Aug 13th, '11, 02:40

I think that's a load of nonsense.

First off, if you grew up with Em's music then your expectation levels are always going to stupidly high.

As for having fun on stage. Marshall was having a ball in Montreal, mainly because he was vibing of the crowds adulation/excitement for him.

lame crowd = lame show

This guy sounds like he simply disliked Recovery & was disappointed of a concert which involved mostly Recovery tracks.

Why the comparison with Jay? makes no sense.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Fleka » Aug 13th, '11, 04:55

SSLP-Em was struggling to make it, he was poor. Life sucked then. He was desperate.
MMLP-He got his chance, he got to show the world how good he was. And the world was just bitching. He was mad.
TES-He was a superstar, his life became a public thing. Burden of fame+Kim and all that shit. He was like-fuck it, I`ll let you have it all.

Eminem needs drama to be at his best. He needs real emotions to make brilliant songs. He is just too happy now. He can go back to Slim Shady mode and bash the shit out of everybody, but he is like 40 now and that would not work. I would love it, but only in a few songs maybe. I think we will never see Em as he was back in the days. Maybe I`m wrong, lets hope so.

Whoever wrote that article, that Ryan dude, he dosent understand that Em is not a generic artist. He cant just go back in his MMLP state of mind and do music.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Aug 13th, '11, 10:57

yes,Em needs to recover his old style.

but what the guy is talking about is not what Em needs to recover

just move on Em,write some concepts,try to be a good rapper,thats all we want,we know you cant be as good as you was in your prime,just be good.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby JakeBlack » Aug 13th, '11, 11:05

Doesn't he change his style on every album?
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Aug 13th, '11, 11:51

JakeBlack wrote:Doesn't he change his style on every album?

you are so fucking annoying.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby momentsgolden » Aug 13th, '11, 12:13

Bullshit!

Eminem might be boring but thats only coz people play the fuck outta his music and his voice is a tad bit fucked. Period. How can this person listen to Relapse AND Recovery and say Eminem aint calling names. :confusion: Cold Wind blows, Bagpies from Baghdad, We Made you... the list goes on and on.

Like DA said, he should go into new concepts not because he's changed materially in content from what he did but because he hasnt.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Sam. » Aug 13th, '11, 12:14

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babyjane wrote:It's because people like a comeback story. They make movies about guys who overcome adversity and get back to the top. They make movies about the stuff Eminem packed "Relapse" and "Recovery" with. The rapper came out of rehab and decided that he wanted to live up to those expectations. He wanted to rise out the gutter as the people's champ, and that meant ditching his old ways of celebrity bashing and shock inducing. He needs to realize that he's just not that guy.
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Guess_Who » Aug 13th, '11, 14:26

babyjane wrote:
I kind of agree that he rarely looks like he's enjoying himself lately.


I read this continually and I don't understand it. :unsure: I really think he's enjoying himself now more than in many years. Even he has said in an interview that is happier now that he is sober...If you see any interview from 2006 you can see how bad he was.

About going back to the old style. I agree with Amaranthine. He can't go back to certain things.And he would be criticized if he did.People is always bitching.

Eminem's music has always been very personal, a reflection of his personal situation.And he has made great songs in his bad moments. But this doesn't mean that he can't make good songs if he is sober or happy. I love recovery and I prefer every single song of recovery over songs like " ass like that" or " big weenie".
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Re: Commentary: Eminem needs to recover old style

Postby Trimss » Aug 13th, '11, 14:40

Guess_Who you just wrote what i was thinking. Thank you.

I think Eminem is 10 happier now when he's performing and here some reasons why.. When he performed back at the time, he never seen the crowd, or the people that are in it. It was all blur, he said it himself. Now he can see how people love him, with the lighters, the hands up, with them singing his songs.

I think he only realise now how many fans he have.. when he have more than 90 000 persons chanting his songs, calling him..
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