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Postby Amaranthine » Jun 5th, '12, 00:20

Update on the FBT/Aftermath court battle that's been going on for like two years.

Coming soon to a California federal courtroom will be a trial where music producers Mark and Jeff Bass fight for tens of millions of dollars in compensation from Aftermath Records over digital downloads for Eminem recordings.

The case is one of the most closely-watched in the music business, but what the trial will look like is far from clear.

At the moment, both sides are debating the witnesses and type of testimony that will be heard, and the conversation has moved from a discussion purely on the substantive legal questions at issue to an entertaining sideshow about Eminem's career, including who deserves credit for helping the hip-hop star attain his success, and who was merely lucky enough to be along for the ride.

The dispute over whether the Bass brothers were cheated out of digital revenue first got to trial in 2009. The plaintiffs lost.

But then in 2010, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the lower court judge had erred by denying summary judgment to the plaintiffs that a "licensing" provision of a contract applied instead of a "sales" provision when calculating royalties on downloads from outlets like iTunes.

The distinction potentially meant that the Bass brothers were owed a much larger percentage of royalties than they had received. The case was remanded down to the district court level to figure out what Aftermath owed -- here was one suggestion -- and since then, lots of other musicians have brought similar claims against their record labels.

A second trial will commence as soon as this month, and in preparation, both sides are showcasing some of their sensitivities.

The dispute is first and foremost about boring ol' contractual interpretations and accounting calculations. But the plaintiffs want to give the jury some context, including the historical background of the case.

Aftermath doesn't believe that a trial is necessary at all, saying there are no facts in dispute. Despite the 9th Circuit decision, widely seen as a victory for musicians in digital royalty claims, Aftermath is basically declaring victory in this case, pointing to a judge's order that it is permitted to deduct distribution fees.

But if the case does get to trial, Aftermath fears that the proceedings will become another opportunity for the plaintiffs to go about "painting themselves as 'struggling musicians and producers,' who 'discovered' and 'groomed' Eminem, and who have had to persevere against the big bad record company trying to cheat them out of royalties."

The record label asks the judge to exclude "background" evidence as "irrelevant, prejudicial and (a) time-wasting sideshow" and specifically wants the plaintiffs' first witness, Joel Martin, who manages Eminem's publishing, to be forbidden from reprising for the jury's ears the "David versus Goliath" tale.

All that said, Aftermath says that if a judge permits "background" evidence, it should be allowed to provide its own -- which according to the company's court papers means a jury would hear testimony that:

"Eminem is responsible for Eminem’s talent, and that Defendants have been responsible for (and have paid for) the marketing and promotion that has helped to sell Eminem’s records. The fact that Plaintiffs have been able to passively share in revenues generated by Eminem’s talent and Defendants’ marketing and promotion efforts rightly puts into perspective Plaintiffs’ exaggerated claims about their contributions."

Aftermath says it should also allowed to introduce evidence that the Bass brothers aren't "struggling musicians," but have received tens of millions of dollars in royalties already, and will continue to get more, "all because of the happenstance that they signed Eminem to an exclusive contract when he was an up-and-coming artist."

This, of course, drew an angry response from the plaintiffs.

"The jury will need to understand some background—who Plaintiffs are, what their relationship is to Eminem, and the history of Plaintiffs’ dispute with Defendants culminating in the Ninth Circuit’s decision in favor of Plaintiffs—but it will not need to determine whether Plaintiffs are deserving human beings or whether Plaintiffs have made enough money. Defendants do not explain— because they cannot—how the types of evidence about Plaintiffs’ wealth and supposed luck that featured so prominently in Defendants’ case last time around could be at all relevant to the remaining issues in the case. To the contrary, it would result in a distracting sideshow in which Plaintiffs would be called upon to present evidence about Defendants’ wealth and the extent to which they deserve it."

So there you have it. Both sides are accusing the other of making a prejudicial sideshow and both sides are threatening to one-up the other with evidence about their adversaries' enormous wealth and luck. It's up to a judge to step in here and declare some order. Otherwise, the trial is going to devolve into an affair where the parties debate who is more useless in the music industry -- record producers or record labels.

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Re: Bass Bros and Aftermath Fight Over Money Eminem Generate

Postby momentsgolden » Jun 5th, '12, 01:11

haha, enjoyable read tbh.

Aftermath has made enough money... they should just give it up lol
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Postby Emadyville » Jun 5th, '12, 04:01

Amazing how much drama comes from being successful
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Postby mdemaz » Jun 5th, '12, 04:36

Lol, money.
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Postby SoldierShady » Jun 8th, '12, 23:32

Who cares? :coffee:
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Postby SG. » Jun 8th, '12, 23:38

Aftermath sounds really petty in this case.
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Postby Francesco » Jun 9th, '12, 01:02

If we talk about money, Aftermath & Dre made EM a superstar & the money started to rain from there on... it's true Bass Bros have done a lot for EM too but in this case ,they should really just pack their lunch boxes, suck, swallow & get outta the way. Dre have had comercial success with so many artists while Bass Bros are only known because of EM & they can't stay on the map without him.
Dre started it & EM kept it going from there, Bass Bros are just a little part in the big machine if we talk about all those money.
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Re: Bass Bros and Aftermath Fight Over Money Eminem Generate

Postby AbramIsaac » Jun 9th, '12, 06:12

I think they deserve what they're asking for.

They have been getting paid for licensing, not distribution, and that's what this case is actually about. iTunes is a result of digital DISTRIBUTION, and they should get paid what they're owed.

Eminem would have been a star without Dre, that's at least debatable. Without FBT, he would have never gotten to that point. Jeff put a mortgage out on his house to press the SSEP. That's a pretty substantial contribution, for an artist with no major releases.

I feel like this case probably hurts the chances of any future collaborations between FBT and Eminem.
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Postby JustEnjoytheMusic » Jun 9th, '12, 07:06

AbramIsaac wrote:I feel like this case probably hurts the chances of any future collaborations between FBT and Eminem.


As selfish as it sounds, this is my biggest concern on the whole thing. Some of Eminem's best songs were made in collaboration with the Bass Brothers.
Didn't we once discuss why he isn't working with them anymore since Beautiful? I think this lawsuit is the reason...
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Postby Slim Fiasco » Jun 9th, '12, 08:51

^Same here. I'd rather have Em make a song with them than anyone else. At least out of the guys that he's worked with.
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Re: Bass Bros and Aftermath Fight Over Money Eminem Generate

Postby Francesco » Jun 9th, '12, 09:46

AbramIsaac wrote:I think they deserve what they're asking for.

They have been getting paid for licensing, not distribution, and that's what this case is actually about. iTunes is a result of digital DISTRIBUTION, and they should get paid what they're owed.

Eminem would have been a star without Dre, that's at least debatable. Without FBT, he would have never gotten to that point. Jeff put a mortgage out on his house to press the SSEP. That's a pretty substantial contribution, for an artist with no major releases.

I feel like this case probably hurts the chances of any future collaborations between FBT and Eminem.


Nah man, you're all wrong. I know you for a long time & your posts are always on point but this one is wrong.
Eminem has said it many times, Dre saved his life, jump starting his career after he tried all the labels & nobody wanted him, people were even making fun of him. The only other label that was close to signing him was Duck Down but then yet again the deal failed 'cuz EM was white. You know how much different hip-hop was back then comparing to the bubble gum shit today so it's not debatable at all what would've happen. Em has said it himself, he nearly gave up before Dre signed him & was already fed up with all the shit so he was trying for the last time. It's true EM has had gigantic records with them, but he could have had gigantic records with plenty other producers out there after Dre put him on & let him prove to the world he's phenomenal. I do like them in general but where would they be without EM today... talking about money they should really send a postcard to Dre thanking him for the money they earned 'cuz of him & the 'Math instead of trying to milk more out of this. You said it yourself, Jeff put a mortgage to his house to press SSEP but it was all about just coming & going before Dre signed EM & pressed the same album plus 3 new cuts to make it explode.
I know what you're saying, but without Aftermath at that point nobody would even know who the Bass Bros are, even if EM eventually broke through afterwards.
We'll never ever hear EM on a beat of theirs again exactly 'cuz EM is siding with Dre & even though he never said it, this stupid & ungrateful case they started is the reason he cut 'em off.

Outside the case, why don't they just go out there on themselves making their own money. I don't see any of the other big cats looking for their beats while I see plenty other producers hustling their own way.
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Postby babyjane » Jun 9th, '12, 15:02

So the Bass Brothers get money off of Em either way because of their original contract. Wouldn't they have continued to make loads if they kept working with him instead of suing? They wouldn't have gotten the digital sales money they wanted but they would have gotten continued production money. Now it seems they're probably just paying out money and not taking in as much as they could if they were still working with Em.
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Postby _Hawk_ » Jun 9th, '12, 16:37

Shame they aren't working with him. They were great together.
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Postby xnoxiousx » Jun 9th, '12, 17:07

After math will win

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Postby ImHungry » Jun 11th, '12, 06:38

The Bass Brothers deserve every penny.
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