the real reason for eminems downfall theory 2

[cash2infinity]

I have this theory that when Dr. Dre accomplishes a goal with an artist he feels a sense of "complete" which therefore blinds the motivation he once had from seeing that his following actions will affect his artists and their relationships beyond what he could imagine. I think that after TES, 8Mile, Eminem was arguably at the peak of his career let a lone one of the biggest artists at the time. We all know that Dre is a perfectionist and maybe if he feels like he cant top his last effort he subconciously lacks motivation to work with an artist as exclusviely as before. By the time Encore came we saw alot less presence from dre in this record and more of Eminem. I think he let eminem on his own musically, this hurt eminem, becuase even though dre didnt mean it in a bad way, eminem must have took it as abondonment. We know he must have abandonment issues. This might have started the pill addiction, your mentor abondoning you (in your eyes) and the overwhelming fame and expectations he had at that point now being up to him must have almost directly caused him to turn to drugs. This is also parallel to why 50 cent fell off as well. Curtis wasnt very dre-esque now was it. On the other hand 50 wouldnt take it so personally therefore why he keeps putting out music and trying to achieve get rich or die trying material which will be impossible without the genius of dre. BASICALLY DRE TURNS YOU INTO A SUPERSTAR THEN LEAVES IT UP TO YOU TO HOLD YOUR OWN but eminem couldnt handle that because of abandonment issues. SO when proof died, eminem instantly tips the scale and goes overboard and it reached a point where dre says enough is enough, eminem sobers up they work on relapse but the relationship is now awkward which is why relapse was as well. next thing you know RELAPSE 2 HAS NEW PRODUCERS for the first time in eminems album career. i think he gave up on getting back what he had with dre and is finally mentally stable to try to hold his own. WHAT YOU GUYS THINK? was dre the foundation for these musical superstars ? I could be overanalyzing BUT i could be right.

[haste2492]

interesting thought but Eminem almost solely produced the Eminem Show himself, with a few exceptions of Doc Dre producing Business, Say What U Say, and My Dad's Gone Crazy. I might believe this if Dre had pretty heavy production on SSLP, MMLP, AND TES, but that's not the case.

[Emadyville]

It's a good theory, but I really just think the fame got to him finally.

Yeah I have to say that's one of the major reasons I see, being at the status of celebrity he was at, even though basically secluded from all paparazzi, it took his toll on him

[EminemBase]

I scan-read this as the non-use of paragraphs is too disorientating lol.

But I gained the basic points of what you're driving at. Firstly, I can't comment on a theory of Eminem's downfall because I don't think he's even had a downfall.

If you don't like the accent or new material fine but he's majorly ambitious with words again, he's totally committed to the art and sounds re-energized.

Encore was his career-dip for me and I think it was because he tried to please everybody from every angle on Encore and we ended up with a mixed album with some tracks that weren't even mixtape-worthy.

I do agree about Dre capping his ambition so to speak though. I think because Dre's beats are always technically the same, this stumps Em's ability to create totally new directions. No matter what Dre beat you think of, including all of Relapse, his beats are always driven primarily by the drums.

I don't personally like Dre's production when it comes to Eminem, I think Em produces better for himself, he's better at crafting a beat and melody to fit his idea than Dre. IMO.

But now with Just Blaze and Mr. Porter... I think we will see some new heights from Eminem. As mentioned, this is the first real time he's strayed production-wise and I think it'll show. Just Blaze creates very different beats from Dre and they're not always just drum-driven basic rap beats.

I really think these new beats have probably driven Em's ambition higher. Can't wait.

[ShadyVsEminem]

He had a downfall(04-07)due to drugs and writers block but he wasnt putting out much then.Relapse is as lyrical as any of his albums its just the fact he was just getting into the swing of rapping again that the content was a little crazy(he has said this in interviews).

He seems pretty sure the songs on Relapse 2 will be listened to for years to come so it is on this album the judgment from the doubters should be past.He has released a lot of good stuff after Relapse i think people have a far higher standard for him than other rappers.

[Lokito4]

He had a downfall(04-07)due to drugs and writers block but he wasnt putting out much then.Relapse is as lyrical as any of his albums its just the fact he was just getting into the swing of rapping again that the content was a little crazy(he has said this in interviews).

He seems pretty sure the songs on Relapse 2 will be listened to for years to come so it is on this album the judgment from the doubters should be past.He has released a lot of good stuff after Relapse i think people have a far higher standard for him than other rappers.

what is writers block

[dR3]

what is writers block

When you can't think of anything to write, when you have no inspiration.

[ShadyVsEminem]

what is writers block

When you can't think of anything to write, when you have no inspiration.

Yes he said he had it himself and had to kind of practice his way out of it then he gave Dre a ring and they went to work.

[Alaine]

his personal problems got to him. Dre didn't do that much shit for Em since the beginning. the most he ever done for Em is co-signing him, which he always has.

[2sDay]

this is pointless. Eminem fell off because he thought he was the king of the world in 2002-2003 and he made a shitty album(Encore) to gain other fans which he did. But he lost the REAL fans. Then things got worse when Proof died. That's when he got fully into drugs and became fat and almost died. He cameback after becoming sober but his mind is still not at 100%. NOW, i think his mind is close to 100% and he will make Relapse 2 the best album ever. THE END.

[macdaddy019967]

did anybody ever teach you to use paragraphs in school? christ.

anyway, i think eminem falling off was because of the pills & exhaustion more than Dr Dre 'abandoning' him

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[macdaddy019967]

this is pointless. Eminem fell off because he thought he was the king of the world in 2002-2003 and he made a shitty album(Encore) to gain other fans which he did. But he lost the REAL fans. Then things got worse when Proof died. That's when he got fully into drugs and became fat and almost died. He cameback after becoming sober but his mind is still at 100%. NOW, i think his mind is close to 100% and he will make Relapse 2 the best album ever. THE END.

yes i believe relapse 2 will be eminems best album because with encore eminem like u said was just trying to gain a different group of fans and attach himself more to the radio with his pop single songs and now he is 100 percent back and his best shit is coming....he even said that he feels he has yet to put out his best album

[q_shady]

this is pointless. Eminem fell off because he thought he was the king of the world in 2002-2003 and he made a shitty album(Encore) to gain other fans which he did. But he lost the REAL fans. Then things got worse when Proof died. That's when he got fully into drugs and became fat and almost died. He cameback after becoming sober but his mind is still not at 100%. NOW, i think his mind is close to 100% and he will make Relapse 2 the best album ever. THE END.

agree with you

[Alaine]

this is pointless. Eminem fell off because he thought he was the king of the world in 2002-2003 and he made a shitty album(Encore) to gain other fans which he did. But he lost the REAL fans. Then things got worse when Proof died. That's when he got fully into drugs and became fat and almost died. He cameback after becoming sober but his mind is still not at 100%. NOW, i think his mind is close to 100% and he will make Relapse 2 the best album ever. THE END.

Em didn't make Encore to gain "new fans", it's a shitty album because Em couldn't put out good album at that time even if he tried, he basically couldn't rhyme that time, he got this writer block all the way to rehab.
Relapse imo is him part waking up part still fighting with being sober, it's like a rhyming exercise to keep him away from the drug, it's a process that he needs to going through that time. If only label didn't push that album too soon and let him have time to going through that process alone..

[Evan C.]

this is pointless. Eminem fell off because he thought he was the king of the world in 2002-2003 and he made a shitty album(Encore) to gain other fans which he did. But he lost the REAL fans. Then things got worse when Proof died. That's when he got fully into drugs and became fat and almost died. He cameback after becoming sober but his mind is still not at 100%. NOW, i think his mind is close to 100% and he will make Relapse 2 the best album ever. THE END.

Wrong.

Eminem's downfall has been explained already (in his own interviews), for some reason people either aren't listening or don't do proper research before spouting off about this shit. Eminem fell off for 2 reasons:

1. Overworking himself due to the grueling schedule for the 8 Mile film shoot, the soundtrack to go with it, and also writing/recording/producing The Eminem Show

2. As a direct result of reason 1 (exhaustion due to the lack of time to get sleep every night) he began using sleep aids. First NyQuil, then harder prescription drugs like Valium (sound familiar?). He was also taking some kind of speed to wake himself back up for the high energy scenes.

The drug use and overall exhaustion ruined him mentally first (this became apparent around 2003 when The Straight From Da Lab whatever it was leaked), then physically. He said the progression of his addiction really started to get bad in between TES and Encore. By the time The Anger Management Tour came around he was a bloated pill-zombie who looked to be in really bad shape. Proof's death only made a very serious problem worse, but by 2006 he had already 'lost it' for a solid 3 years.