Eminem's Latest album(s) sadly going downhill

[fosho14]

Hi there, I just want to say that I have been a die hard eminem fan all my life, but am just worrying about his present and future music. I think everyone can I agree with me that during the beginning of his career the kid was talented and just seemed to be getting better with every album. Starting from the slim shady LP really heating up with the Marshall Mathers LP and then when he released the eminem show, it was just ridiculous the guy was RED HOT!

Now whatever he had goin, seems to have peaked because encore was a little bit lesser quality, and IMO relapse did not sound like the genius, flowy eminem that we all know and love, but awkward and quite terrible to be honest.

Do people in the community agree that his sound has taken a (not so good) turn beginning with encore. Relapse is DRASTICALLY different from everything he has put out. I wish I could say different in a good way, but it's unfortunatly different in a bad way... I just long for the OLD shady, especially the style from the eminem show. Let's face it, the content of the slim shady LP, marshall mathers LP and eminem show, are light years, better than relapse!!!!!

[DƎRDYPK]

Let's face it, the content of the slim shady LP, marshall mathers LP and eminem show, are light years, better than relapse!!!!!

no shit?
your talking about 3 albums compared to 1 album

[Slill_Slim_Shady]

first welcome to TR
second: a lot of ppl like Relapse i mean it's not a bad album, not his best, but is def not his worst!! Em wasn't released an album for 5 fucking years so it's normal to not be like TES or MMLP. And there is nothik bad to be different!!!

[shadeonback]

great man, really cretive thread

[EminemBase]

No you only think the content is 'light-years' ahead because you don't like his new accent(s) and flows.

You couldn't of been listening to The Slim Shady LP or The Marshall Mathers LP very well as they were mostly fictional acts of violence and horrorcore too. That's what he was born on. So I don't know why people are acting he's gone in a totally new direction.

Also, his poetic phrasing and lyricism is on a new level now. If you don't like the new voices fine but stop confusing accents, flows and voices with CONTENT. He talked about his personal shit properly from 02-06. How many more spins do you seriously expect him to put on the trappings of fame, guilt of hailie and his mother. It was already sounding old by 04.

I'm glad he's back to crazy shit. He was beginning to sound tired. Now he sounds energized again.

[Slill_Slim_Shady]

No you only think the content is 'light-years' ahead because you don't like his new accent(s) and flows.

You couldn't of been listening to The Slim Shady LP or The Marshall Mathers LP very well as they were mostly fictional acts of violence and horrorcore too. That's what he was born on. So I don't know why people are acting he's gone in a totally new direction.

Also, his poetic phrasing and lyricism is on a new level now. If you don't like the new voices fine but stop confusing accents, flows and voices with CONTENT. He talked about his personal shit properly from 02-06. How many more spins do you seriously expect him to put on the trappings of fame, guilt of hailie and his mother. It was already sounding old by 04.

I'm glad he's back to crazy shit. He was beginning to sound tired. Now he sounds energized again.

yeah i agree with you, he was talking so muck about his personal shit, it's cool to talk about somethink else (but not too much). Ofcorse i want to rap more about the think which he raps in SSLP - his "underground" life, his chidelhood, his problems, his pooriest etc. but he is rich since 10 years it's normal to get out this shits from his head

[fosho14]

Ya, thought the responses were gonna be exactly like this which is why I was trying to be as less agressive as possible

@ EminemBase
I shouldn't have said it was bad. I guess it just seemed "terrible" to me COMPARED to what he has accomplished in the past. When I sit down and read the lyrics, I really enjoy it. The point I was trying to convey however, was that at the end of the day what we are talking about is music. A lot of the time, I wanna listen to music soley for the purpose of enjoying how it sounds and the way it is composed, and although the lyrics may be phenomenal, sometimes I shut off my mind all together and just vibe to what I hear.
I found that TES and the MMLP achieved a grate pace, flow and rhythm that you could lose yourself in, almost indescribeable, like a hypnosis (so fucking good). Now I PERSONALLY FEEL that relapse was unable to achieve this, and I know many many people who agree....I know there's nothing wrong with being different in fact it is good to be different!!!! But I just aint feeling relapse at all.
I started this thread to see how many people there are out there who agree/disagree with my thoughts, and obviously you are one who strongly disagrees, and we are actually on totally different wavelengths altogether. I find this interesting, and I am eager to hear others people's views.

[Spyder]

No you only think the content is 'light-years' ahead because you don't like his new accent(s) and flows.

no his content was undeniably better on those 3 albums, the song that help content on relapse are Beautiful and Deja Vu. the others he bashes celebs and kills people. dont get me wrong thought the ablum was OK

but the content doesnt touch what the great 3 were.. Encore we dont discuss

[AJS2050]

Relapse is a step up from Encore, so his albums are certainly not going downhill, infact they are now heading back up. Also Relapse is a hardcore hip-hop album, there aren't many poppy tracks onit, its all horrorcore, so the pop music fans aren't going to enjoy it as much.

[EminemBase]

No you only think the content is 'light-years' ahead because you don't like his new accent(s) and flows.

no his content was undeniably better on those 3 albums, the song that help content on relapse are Beautiful and Deja Vu. the others he bashes celebs and kills people. dont get me wrong thought the ablum was OK

but the content doesnt touch what the great 3 were.. Encore we dont discuss

Well you can't say 'those three' because like I said, most of the content of the first two was random violence and drugs. SSLP was mainly punchlines about doing drugs and killing people.

It's only because people preferred the style and he was more metaphorical that they think it's light-years ahead. MMLP was mainly random talk too. Only a few personal songs.

The Eminem Show was the one where he put his personal issues / thoughts fully-frontal.

Also, just because you prefer his personal content to his serial killer content doesn't mean it's a fact that personal subject matter is better. And Relapse is therefore automatically worse because of that. I like serial killer content. It allows for immense visual lyricism and endless uses of persona juggling and tongue-in-cheek. He's majorly creative and ironic with it.

I wouldn't put Relapse ahead of the first three but not just because he doesn't talk about his fucking childhood or his annoyances with fame. It just wasn't as monumental. But it's a beautifully crafted album, every verse is a work of art.

I'm totally glad he made Relapse like he did. If Relapse came out and it was more bitching about being an iscolated millionaire, his kids, his mom and kim, I'd of been bored as fuck. Everyone was complaining about it when it became tired and then when he switches they want it back. Ridciulous.

As for you saying "Beautiful" and "Deja Vu" are the saving graces of the album. I disagree. I think "Deja Vu" fits perfectly and is the only personal track you need. He explains the entire situation in three verses. What more do you need him to say? He does it on that track. Done. I don't need another 10 tracks with him bitching in a growly voice about how depressing it. He purposely avoided that.

As for "Beautiful". It's a good song but doesn't fit the album. If he took that and CAB off and committed more to it being a full-out concept album, without stupid skits it would of been miles better. "Beautiful" is from his 07 period and you can tell. He should of re-done "My Darling" to sound more like the new style and put that as track 2 and put "Beautiful" as a bonus.

I'd say the album is far better than OK. I'd say it's great. Not a classic but definitely above good. Totally energized and a lyrical landmine that explodes in your face. A lyricist's dream. He's too literal on it but he was exploring new dimensions, trying to push himself. And R2 should be much better.

[Emadyville]

Relapse is a step up from Encore, so his albums are certainly not going downhill, infact they are now heading back up. Also Relapse is a hardcore hip-hop album, there aren't many poppy tracks onit, its all horrorcore, so the pop music fans aren't going to enjoy it as much.

very true, and his lyricism is shown on every song so I'm not sure what this dudes really saying

[Spyder]

i dont think killing people is a good subject matter regarldess of the lyrics he uses. on the first two albums it ws fine because one he switched it up, and two we hadnt seen it from him yet. with Relapse we'd already had that and was much less clever as far as how he used wordplay an punches.

SSLP had Rock Bottom,If I Had,Just the two of Us all emotional
MMLP had Stan, The way I am, marshal mathers
TES had a bunch i dont feel like typing


but that content mixing emotional with the killing equals a better record than stright up killing people
the shit he thought of then is better than now

[fosho14]

well I guess I'm in the minority then
I absolutely hate the tone in 99% of the songs in relapse...and encore for that matter.
especially hate the song 3 am

However I LOVE 99% of the songs in the other 3 albums we've discussed.
Weird how that can happen with artwork lol.

[EminemBase]

@Spyder Well that's personal taste of subject matter then not quality of the music.

If Tarrantino made a... Romantic comedy. But a very funny one which worked and was a classic regardless... I probably wouldn't like it as much as Pulp Fiction due to the subject matter. It's just not as interesting.

But I wouldn't deny it's a great movie.

Okay so you don't like serial killing content. There ya go. I personally find it endlessly entertaining. Not by most as other rappers can't be clever enough with it.

The only thing Relapse is lacking is metaphorical language. But his irony is as good as ever, his wordplay is immense and on a new level so I don't know what you mean there. And his flows are magic.

I think Relapse is great. Nearly every track is a new fun-park. I certainly wouldn't wanna be without it.

People would moan regardless anyway. If it was more personal people would say "fuck man, i wanted psycho-Shady back, all this guy does is bitch about his life". If it was politics they'd say "wtf man, Em doesn't know politics, why doesn't he start killing people again?".

He purposely just talked about killing etc. to stretch his lyrical muscles and see if he could spit like that again. Not because he lost talent. Him not talking about personal stuff was a choice not a detriment in his quality.

Because he'd done it for years and like he said, he had become totally self-loathing. He needed to do that, switch it up. I'm glad he did. I was getting bored with it. It was predictable.

[shadyboymez]

Hi there, I just want to say that I have been a die hard eminem fan all my life, but am just worrying about his present and future music. I think everyone can I agree with me that during the beginning of his career the kid was talented and just seemed to be getting better with every album. Starting from the slim shady LP really heating up with the Marshall Mathers LP and then when he released the eminem show, it was just ridiculous the guy was RED HOT!

Now whatever he had goin, seems to have peaked because encore was a little bit lesser quality, and IMO relapse did not sound like the genius, flowy eminem that we all know and love, but awkward and quite terrible to be honest.

Do people in the community agree that his sound has taken a (not so good) turn beginning with encore. Relapse is DRASTICALLY different from everything he has put out. I wish I could say different in a good way, but it's unfortunatly different in a bad way... I just long for the OLD shady, especially the style from the eminem show. Let's face it, the content of the slim shady LP, marshall mathers LP and eminem show, are light years, better than relapse!!!!!

Damn, a fan who isn't afraid to speak his mind.

Okay, I have been a huge fan since SSLP when I was too young to know what he was even talkin about. As I grew up and could relate to his lyrics, I thought he was truly one of a kind (which I still believe) and I couldn't believe how hard he spit it.

Now it isn't that I still haven't bumped all of his music since the Eminem Show, but I just have felt somewhere inside me that it wasn't the same. Sure, you can say you dont wanna hear the same old stuff all the time...but when he put out albums SSLP, MMLP & Eminem Show , they are nothing alike to me and those are the albums with the most replay value to me (by FAR).

Of course I got into Encore, me and my buddies knew every word to every song. We would be high as fuck, goin back and forth with lines from Rain Man til we couldnt breathe haha. Then I really studied that album, comparing it to past classics by Eminem, and it just didn't sit anywhere near them. Songs like Crazy In Love, Ass Like That, Just Lose It...there are more.....just should never have entered my ears. It really gave me a different outlook on my favorite rapper, and I learned to accept that maybe he lost his old passion, and this was better than nothing.

Then we got nothing for about 5 years (well I guess Re-Up contained an actual sick song, No Apologies), but basically nothing except a retirement. Then came a comeback, a new hope in Relapse.

I was impressed with Relapse, which wsan't difficult after only hearing Crack a Bottle and We Made You before hearing the rest. He definately perfected the whole accent thing and came much harder than on Encore. But again, after about a month, I gave the album another look and it definately is better than Encore, but that's all.

I hope Relapse 2 is a step up from Relapse, but I dont have the highest hopes. Sure he sounded cool on Drop the World and Forever, but I havent listened to either of them in a couple weeks, so I dont think those verses match up even close to any of his old stuff.

We just have to wait...
hope it wasnt too much of a ramble