Jay-19 - Saints (now with Tash's mixing)

[<VerbalTouch>]

vocals need to be louder but flows well

[Jay-19]

Thanks for the feedback Bar, I'll try to work on that.

And thanks to you to Blue!


By the way, here's the final mixing from Tash on this track, I think he as well as C-Riz did an awesome job on this one! Thanks guys!

jay-19 - saints.mp3 - 5.47MB

[Tash8]

hmm, I'm pretty sure I've hurd this beat before

you're quality problems is bcuz of ur mic, you must be using a real shitty one hahaha, but yea c-riz mixing's shows greatly, excelent job there

lyrics are real real good, so as the flow, excelent job there

hook... not really my type... for that kind of sining u should use autotune

second verse starts a little off, but still good

anyways, excelent track, def great stuff

*downloads*

ax-d, i added some autotune on his hook in this new version, check it out, it's not very major, but it's there i cahnged his pitch, and i did manually, i found the right pitch thru the correction autotune..

[B.A.D.]

hmm, thats not how I would do it, but sounds cleaner

you can add a bit more autotuneness to it and then add detuner just in the hook, put a higher reverb and it will sound better

still, sounds good and improved

[Robbie G]

that was really good man, I hadn't heard anything from you before. Chorus wasn't my favorite but the verses were really good, you have a good rapping voice.

[enjinn]

real nice song...feeling the beat...lyrica and flow were on point...good shit

[Tash8]

hmm, thats not how I would do it, but sounds cleaner

you can add a bit more autotuneness to it and then add detuner just in the hook, put a higher reverb and it will sound better

still, sounds good and improved

i feel you but i dont think he'd want it like that, ya know?

[<Stiiccy>]

woah that beat is incredible
nice find
lyrics did the job for the most part
flow was off at times, but it was ok
quality was ok,...it wasnt horrible, but it could have been better
i liked this song bro
7/10...get that flow under control you'll be makin even better shit

[Jay-19]

Thanks for the feed yall!

[Xray]

expect a new version of this track very soon aka today

[Mc Cubz]

first of all - ye the beat is amazing - fucking amazing! I for one would love to have it to have a vibe with when I'm forgetting the world.

regarding the vocals:
I think the verses were considerably better than the hook. I think singing is weak and off pitch most of the time, but because of the beat it still sounds acceptable for here. I think since your rapping is good you would have been better with a rhythmical chorus in rap form, rather than your own singing - unless you improve your singing alot.

The verses were good - nice meaningful content and good flow. I think one component of your flow is paticularly good and that it is a thing certain rappers on here could do with considering: Although your flow is simple, it is on beat and you don't chew up your words at all: If some of the rappers with less-good flows did the same, rather than attempting complicated flows which lead to them sounding like theyre losing rhythm in places as well as rushing words to get them in on time. Your voice is nice - you have a american accenty style - but I cannot recognise it as being of a specific area in america - is English your first language? I think you have decent delivery - you speak clearly - although there were a few phrases I couldn't understand - paticulary the last bit of your last verse - do you say 'dont you need me' or is it a foreign word - maybe the extra vocal layer makes this harder to hear. You have a real good sound - I don't know much of the bass in your voice is natural and how much is post-mastering, but it adds a good level of charisma.

Regarding the mixing, I think the vocals into the track is ok, but when the 2nd vocal layers are added - I don't know exactly but - it just doesn't sound as professional as could be achieved.

Overall very good track. I was beginning to feel like tr had little talent and that only a handful of rappers like maybe or those of vettori's crew were any good. However, I've heard tracks from some rappers whom I'd never even heard of before and been quite impressed.

I think it may be worth re-doing this track by the way, its three-quaters good, but the chorus lets it down, and perhaps the mixing of the extra vocal layers. If you changed them it would be among the best overall tracks (beat and vocals) in recent months on here, in my opinion.

[Tash8]

^ american accent, blah^ u must not know any americans then, he had an accent but it was certainly not american.

[Mc Cubz]

^ american accent, blah^ u must not know any americans then, he had an accent but it was certainly not american.

with all respect, I do know lots of americans - half my family live in New York city. Plus I listen to alot of American hiphop.

Anyway, the rapper performed in the english language. Countries which have english as mostly their first language of the-top-of-my-head are America (& Canada), the UK countries and Australia. If you speak english you would either speak in an accent similar to one of these countries accent usually. For example, english is taught in some contries by american teachers, whose pupils are more likely to have an american accent while speaking the english language. Others however, have no paticular accent - although everyone has an accent of some sort, since accent is merely pronunciation style and everyone pronounces words to speak. These people may have speak english with a accent induced due to the accent of their first language - for example chinese people often say 'lottery' as sounding like 'loccery' since they don't have a letter like 'T' in their language and find its pronunciation difficult.
Thus, every rapper has an accent.

Wether the rapper has a partial american accent due to for example his being taught english by an american teacher, or he is trying to copy the american 'swagger' or 'style' I don't know, but there is, in my view, a clear american style used here. The word 'God' is pronounced 'Gad' in this song, in the same way an american would pronounce it. The word 'Mum' is pronunced 'Marm' as in rhyming with 'farm', rather than rhyming with 'bum' or 'yum'. The word 'die' is pronouced 'd-little a-big I' as in rhyming with 'laa with the 'a' of the little alphabet', rather than dye with a big emphasis on the 'y' sound. These are just a few of the countless examples of words that are pronounced in what I feel is an american style.

Furthermore, it is clear an american style has been adopted for the lyrics. Evidence of this is in the abbreviation of 'you all' to 'youall' which is widely accepting as being an american abbreviation. It not a readily accepted abbreviation in neither england nor Australia, and definately not in any country introducing english as a second language.

Tash I dont want you to take my suggesting of an american accent being used, or my correction of your denial of this, as a personal attack. I just think in a place like tr's audio section real feed should be given, and you as someone involved in music on here, in my opinion, should not be respected for denying that the vocals are done in anything other than at least significantly an american style.

I didn't want to say this but, after re-reading your comment in "accent but it certainly was not american" I feel lile I should. I can only conclude to myself that either you are taking what you believe to be negative criticism of an artist you work with badly and having-a-go at me, or that you are taking-badly my criticism of your mixing - which maybe also did -, or a combination of both of these.

As I said I can't understand your comment, but If I am proved deluded and therefore mistaken in this vocal's having an american style, I will go back on my comment. However, I believe this to be extremely unlikely. If any british people who live in the UK, think that at least a partial american accent has not been used I would consider myself insaine. I'm sure the americans on here would also aggre with me, but I think since they have the same general accent as the one this rapper is (attempting to) re-creatte it may be less obvious. Anyway tash, I won't go on, but I just wanted you to know that while I respect your contribution to tr, I completely disagree with you and, what I believe my evidence for this, is above.

safe

please not - appologies to the artist who posted this track for overly-discussing one aspect of your track. Just to re-instal - I like the track alot - this extensive discussion of your rapping style was I feel necessary due to tash's comment, and it does relate to your track. If as tash is suggesting, that english is not your first language, whether naturally/practised your using an american style, it works and you pull it off well enough to achieve a good sounding track, if you work on pronunciation and get a decent producer, your vocals will be fully clear, which combined with your good delivery will achieve a really good sounding track.

[Tash8]

^ american accent, blah^ u must not know any americans then, he had an accent but it was certainly not american.

with all respect, I do know lots of americans - half my family live in New York city. Plus I listen to alot of American hiphop.

Anyway, the rapper performed in the english language. Countries which have english as mostly their first language of the-top-of-my-head are America (& Canada), the UK countries and Australia. If you speak english you would either speak in an accent similar to one of these countries accent usually. For example, english is taught in some contries by american teachers, whose pupils are more likely to have an american accent while speaking the english language. Others however, have no paticular accent - although everyone has an accent of some sort, since accent is merely pronunciation style and everyone pronounces words to speak. These people may have speak english with a accent induced due to the accent of their first language - for example chinese people often say 'lottery' as sounding like 'loccery' since they don't have a letter like 'T' in their language and find its pronunciation difficult.
Thus, every rapper has an accent.

Wether the rapper has a partial american accent due to for example his being taught english by an american teacher, or he is trying to copy the american 'swagger' or 'style' I don't know, but there is, in my view, a clear american style used here. The word 'God' is pronounced 'Gad' in this song, in the same way an american would pronounce it. The word 'Mum' is pronunced 'Marm' as in rhyming with 'farm', rather than rhyming with 'bum' or 'yum'. The word 'die' is pronouced 'd-little a-big I' as in rhyming with 'laa with the 'a' of the little alphabet', rather than dye with a big emphasis on the 'y' sound. These are just a few of the countless examples of words that are pronounced in what I feel is an american style.

Furthermore, it is clear an american style has been adopted for the lyrics. Evidence of this is in the abbreviation of 'you all' to 'youall' which is widely accepting as being an american abbreviation. It not a readily accepted abbreviation in neither england nor Australia, and definately not in any country introducing english as a second language.

Tash I dont want you to take my suggesting of an american accent being used, or my correction of your denial of this, as a personal attack. I just think in a place like tr's audio section real feed should be given, and you as someone involved in music on here, in my opinion, should not be respected for denying that the vocals are done in anything other than at least significantly an american style.

I didn't want to say this but, after re-reading your comment in "accent but it certainly was not american" I feel lile I should. I can only conclude to myself that either you are taking what you believe to be negative criticism of an artist you work with badly and having-a-go at me, or that you are taking-badly my criticism of your mixing - which maybe also did -, or a combination of both of these.

As I said I can't understand your comment, but If I am proved deluded and therefore mistaken in this vocal's having an american style, I will go back on my comment. However, I believe this to be extremely unlikely. If any british people who live in the UK, think that at least a partial american accent has not been used I would consider myself insaine. I'm sure the americans on here would also aggre with me, but I think since they have the same general accent as the one this rapper is (attempting to) re-creatte it may be less obvious. Anyway tash, I won't go on, but I just wanted you to know that while I respect your contribution to tr, I completely disagree with you and, what I believe my evidence for this, is above.

safe

oh man... i wouldn't have posted it if i knew u'd make me read a novel.

just for a preamble... i didn't take ur critiques about the mixing personally, so that had nothing to do it..

I understand ur saying his pronunciation is trying to sound american, and that is true... but he doesn't have an american accent, if u noticed he forces the word and u said it urself, he changes them to make them rhyme... when you listen to american rap which i'm assuming that's what jay does, then he tends to rhyme in a similar fashion...

so like u said and i agreed, it's not his accent rather his altering of pronunciation to make them rhyme making him sound at times, amererican.

[Mc Cubz]

to clear things up, Jay-19 is from Sweden

thanks Chet - and no sweede Ive ever met sounds like that! I never see him on tr anymore, but I can almost put my house on the fact that someone like Hayzi would back me up on this!

it's not his accent rather his altering of pronunciation to make them rhyme making him sound at times, amererican

I don't agree Tash for the reasons I have said in my first post, but I don't want to keep some sort of debate goin on in someones audio post discussion. Its up to us to decide for ourselves. I only disagree with you on this and from your past posts and general contribution to the site, I have a high level of respect for you and feel bad having a sort of slanging match with you online over something like this. I have said more than my piece and I am not a man of conflict so I will leave it as it is - I hope there's no hard feelings.