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The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby EminemInsider » Aug 19th, '13, 04:15

Eminem used to be as much an actor as he was a rapper when it came to recording songs. When he rapped, he said his lyrics like he actually meant them. The tone of his voice was directly connected to what he was saying...it was conversational in tone. It didn't usually sound like he was reading his lyrics off anything...he just had them memorized and was prepared to rap even if you caught him at 4 in the morning in his bathroom taking a piss. And on the occasions where it did sound he was reading them, it sounded like he was reading a note or a book he'd written to you...he knew the tone of what he was trying to get across and read it in that tone.

Now, it sounds like he's reading them and thinking only of directly matching them to the beat in certain ways and emphasizing words/parts of words/yelling for the effect of "intensity." His choices don't actually have any connection to the meaning of what he's saying anymore. He's rapping all the syllables like he's beating a drum...that's the best way to put it. Bul-LUT-proof, to-touch-me.

And for many of us who have long enjoyed Eminem when he did it the other way, we're really disappointed in this new direction.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Snakebeast » Aug 19th, '13, 04:21

EminemInsider wrote:Eminem used to be as much an actor as he was a rapper when it came to recording songs. When he rapped, he said his lyrics like he actually meant them. The tone of his voice was directly connected to what he was saying...it was conversational in tone. It didn't usually sound like he was reading his lyrics off anything...he just had them memorized and was prepared to rap even if you caught him at 4 in the morning in his bathroom taking a piss. And on the occasions where it did sound he was reading them, it sounded like he was reading a note or a book he'd written to you...he knew the tone of what he was trying to get across and read it in that tone.

Now, it sounds like he's reading them and thinking only of directly matching them to the beat in certain ways and emphasizing words/parts of words/yelling for the effect of "intensity." His choices don't actually have any connection to the meaning of what he's saying anymore. He's rapping all the syllables like he's beating a drum...that's the best way to put it. Bul-LUT-proof, to-touch-me.

And for many of us who have long enjoyed Eminem when he did it the other way, we're really disappointed in this new direction.

You do realize that the song you're referring to basically has no meaning besides "let's get pumped while I dazzle you with my wordplay and rhyming"? Have you heard GTC?
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Whitefox » Aug 19th, '13, 04:21

EminemInsider wrote:And for many of us who have long enjoyed Eminem when he did it the other way, we're really disappointed in this new direction.


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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Hopsinshadie » Aug 19th, '13, 04:38

EminemInsider wrote:Eminem used to be as much an actor as he was a rapper when it came to recording songs. When he rapped, he said his lyrics like he actually meant them. The tone of his voice was directly connected to what he was saying...it was conversational in tone. It didn't usually sound like he was reading his lyrics off anything...he just had them memorized and was prepared to rap even if you caught him at 4 in the morning in his bathroom taking a piss. And on the occasions where it did sound he was reading them, it sounded like he was reading a note or a book he'd written to you...he knew the tone of what he was trying to get across and read it in that tone.

Now, it sounds like he's reading them and thinking only of directly matching them to the beat in certain ways and emphasizing words/parts of words/yelling for the effect of "intensity." His choices don't actually have any connection to the meaning of what he's saying anymore. He's rapping all the syllables like he's beating a drum...that's the best way to put it. Bul-LUT-proof, to-touch-me.

And for many of us who have long enjoyed Eminem when he did it the other way, we're really disappointed in this new direction.




I agree with you. Before, I used to lie to myself and think Em was still ok. But the truth is, his new approach is not as good. I hope he knows that.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby CrashBand » Aug 19th, '13, 04:41

I fully agree and think his obsession with perfecting his flow is fucking up his lyrics/delivery...and also isn't even producing a good flow.

It's inconceivable that he thinks his flow wasn't good on SSLP/MMLP.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Whitefox » Aug 19th, '13, 04:48

He still can flow the beat like everybody here wants him to do. WTP, Ridaz for example. But it seems like he doesnt want it. Why? Who the fuck knows.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Hopsinshadie » Aug 19th, '13, 05:29

CrashBand wrote:I fully agree and think his obsession with perfecting his flow is fucking up his lyrics/delivery...and also isn't even producing a good flow.

It's inconceivable that he thinks his flow wasn't good on SSLP/MMLP.



He should have stuck to the same flow as his first 3 albums. There was no need for the accent, the screaming, the rock beats, and everything else. It was all redundant, odd, and superfluous.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Hopsinshadie » Aug 19th, '13, 05:52

If there was another dimension where it was still 99 or 2000 and we went up to rap insiders and they heard ''Survivor'' or any of Em's recent material, they would laugh. Just because Em has been rapping for a number of years, doesn't mean he needs to regress in his approach.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby CrashBand » Aug 19th, '13, 07:05

Hopsinshadie wrote:He should have stuck to the same flow as his first 3 albums.

Some tracks on TES, such as Business, he was already starting to "mimic the beat" as Insider is talking about.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby cheeseburger » Aug 19th, '13, 07:45

Shut the fuck up Hopsinshadie. Im so fucking tired of your posts which you put zero thought into.
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Ive said it countless times before but you cant see it vlearly. He has evolved preciselly as he should have during his career.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby cheeseburger » Aug 19th, '13, 07:45

Shut the fuck up Hopsinshadie. Im so fucking tired of your posts which you put zero thought into.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Kill You » Aug 19th, '13, 08:28

CrashBand wrote:I fully agree and think his obsession with perfecting his flow is fucking up his lyrics/delivery...and also isn't even producing a good flow.

It's inconceivable that he thinks his flow wasn't good on SSLP/MMLP.


You can blame Royce for telling him flow over lyrics. '

I don't mind it though, I like new Eminem. I genuinely do, I'm not forcing myself to like it or anything. He's just been sounding good lately. Survival sounds really good because I think they properly mixed it. Lyrics and flow are good on Survival though. I don't think there's anything wrong with the song at all. It's the one song that I am pretty much completely satisfied with since The Reunion.

He needed to change is flow though or it would have been stale. We would be getting a thousand Encores. Nowadays he actually sounds interesting and like he has something to prove.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Hopsinshadie » Aug 19th, '13, 11:31

Eminem used to be so superb that we didn't even concern ourselves with how well he rapped to the beat, his production, his timing, his voice, etc... He was so flawless that we hardly had to evaluate, we just got shocked with whatever came out of him. The guy was crazy. He owned the mic, he literally murdered rhymes and instead of cringing, we were wowed. But now it's like we see and scrutinize things in his music that are good, not so good, not so bad, and just utterly awful. One of our posters even wrote that Recovery 2.0 wouldn't be half bad. In a way, people are satisfied as long as it's not half bad.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby EminemInsider » Aug 19th, '13, 11:48

Snake897 wrote:
EminemInsider wrote:Eminem used to be as much an actor as he was a rapper when it came to recording songs. When he rapped, he said his lyrics like he actually meant them. The tone of his voice was directly connected to what he was saying...it was conversational in tone. It didn't usually sound like he was reading his lyrics off anything...he just had them memorized and was prepared to rap even if you caught him at 4 in the morning in his bathroom taking a piss. And on the occasions where it did sound he was reading them, it sounded like he was reading a note or a book he'd written to you...he knew the tone of what he was trying to get across and read it in that tone.

Now, it sounds like he's reading them and thinking only of directly matching them to the beat in certain ways and emphasizing words/parts of words/yelling for the effect of "intensity." His choices don't actually have any connection to the meaning of what he's saying anymore. He's rapping all the syllables like he's beating a drum...that's the best way to put it. Bul-LUT-proof, to-touch-me.

And for many of us who have long enjoyed Eminem when he did it the other way, we're really disappointed in this new direction.

You do realize that the song you're referring to basically has no meaning besides "let's get pumped while I dazzle you with my wordplay and rhyming"? Have you heard GTC?


Doesn't matter. Listen to "If I Get Locked Up Tonight," and then listen to "Survival."

The way Eminem flowed in the chorus of IIGLUT would be the way he flowed for the entire song these days.

I don't think he'll be rapping like he did on Going Through Changes any time soon.
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Re: The change in Eminem's approach to delivery

Postby Armored Jean-Claude » Aug 19th, '13, 15:13

I also agree.

He lost something in his delivery.

Not that he isn't capable of doing it anymore, but it's like he's oriented toward something else
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