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Re: Survival haters

Postby guesswhosback08 » Aug 15th, '13, 19:58

It's just underwhelming man. I love Eminem, I even posted this song on my facebook page because I'm so excited about anything new, but you cannot tell me that this is a great song, its better than 95% of rap that is out right now but for Him this is very average and exactly what I didn't want to hear from him. listen to stay wide awake, music box, forever verse, on fire, no love verse, and it's just more creative and interesting than this song. This song isn't very inspiring even though it is meant to be. He's just not flowing over the beat like I know he can. Third verse is tight and his voice sounds pretty crisp, I'm not saying it's total garbage by any means cause he spits hard, but I feel like its more of a track for high school kids and casual rap fans, obviously trying to appeal to the masses which is his right to do of course but I don't have to think it's great and I'm not gonna feel bad for calling a song what it is. Well go ahead have at it and tell me why this is better than Till I Collapse or whatever go into detail why you think this song is great because I'm genuinely interested, Hey it's all in fun, it's entertainment. So tell me why you enjoy this song so much, lyrics are tight but it doesn't sound all that great which is really kind of the point isn't it?
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Him Shadow » Aug 15th, '13, 20:11

I love it since first listen of the trailer to the game, fuckin' awesome anthem
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Re: Survival haters

Postby JAGODA » Aug 15th, '13, 20:35

I really like that shit but I have to agree with this post:

guesswhosback08 wrote:It's just underwhelming man. I love Eminem, I even posted this song on my facebook page because I'm so excited about anything new, but you cannot tell me that this is a great song, its better than 95% of rap that is out right now but for Him this is very average and exactly what I didn't want to hear from him. listen to stay wide awake, music box, forever verse, on fire, no love verse, and it's just more creative and interesting than this song. This song isn't very inspiring even though it is meant to be. He's just not flowing over the beat like I know he can. Third verse is tight and his voice sounds pretty crisp, I'm not saying it's total garbage by any means cause he spits hard, but I feel like its more of a track for high school kids and casual rap fans, obviously trying to appeal to the masses which is his right to do of course but I don't have to think it's great and I'm not gonna feel bad for calling a song what it is. Well go ahead have at it and tell me why this is better than Till I Collapse or whatever go into detail why you think this song is great because I'm genuinely interested, Hey it's all in fun, it's entertainment. So tell me why you enjoy this song so much, lyrics are tight but it doesn't sound all that great which is really kind of the point isn't it?

Well put! :y: :y:
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Re: Survival haters

Postby geoff » Aug 15th, '13, 20:52

JAGODA wrote:I really like that shit but I have to agree with this post:

guesswhosback08 wrote:It's just underwhelming man. I love Eminem, I even posted this song on my facebook page because I'm so excited about anything new, but you cannot tell me that this is a great song, its better than 95% of rap that is out right now but for Him this is very average and exactly what I didn't want to hear from him. listen to stay wide awake, music box, forever verse, on fire, no love verse, and it's just more creative and interesting than this song. This song isn't very inspiring even though it is meant to be. He's just not flowing over the beat like I know he can. Third verse is tight and his voice sounds pretty crisp, I'm not saying it's total garbage by any means cause he spits hard, but I feel like its more of a track for high school kids and casual rap fans, obviously trying to appeal to the masses which is his right to do of course but I don't have to think it's great and I'm not gonna feel bad for calling a song what it is. Well go ahead have at it and tell me why this is better than Till I Collapse or whatever go into detail why you think this song is great because I'm genuinely interested, Hey it's all in fun, it's entertainment. So tell me why you enjoy this song so much, lyrics are tight but it doesn't sound all that great which is really kind of the point isn't it?

Well put! :y: :y:
I also agree. The song is at best meh, nothing special.
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Re: Survival haters

Postby classthe_king » Aug 15th, '13, 22:21

I'll respond. The song AT BEST is average. While it's not as terrible as most of his Recovery stuff and his other verses, it certainly isn't good when looking at the broad range of Hip-Hop atm.

The hook is just loud and obnoxious and sounds horrible.

The delivery is still terrible. While the screaming isn't out of place here, it still shouldn't have been used and sounds horrible. Nothing about it is genuine because Eminem isn't angry. When you listen to old Eminem or Kendrick now you hear an angry person who wants to release that anger on the track. When you listen to this song you hear someone who wants you to think he's angry but isn't at all. It really hurts the ear drums.

The flow, while isn't as scattered and all of the place as before, really isn't that good either. There are some spots where it's decent but other places the awkward pauses thrown in take away from the rhythm imo. Pretty much all the spots where he speeds up his flow real quick, pauses out of nowhere and then screams the end of the line are all examples of this.

The rhyming is actually good, no complaints there.

The lyrics are decent. He doesn't have nearly as many terrine punchlines but he does have a few (hands up like it's 12 noon, hop in and gun it like G-Unit without the hyphen, while I'm wiping my butt cause I just shitted on the mic). The only moment of brilliance was
"Cause you'll never take my pride from me
It'll have to be pried from me"
The rest of the song was face-value lyricism as deep as the surface with little to no depth or creativity in the way he got his message across. Pretty much the opposite of what I was saying about Kendrick in the backstage thread. Now, while this doesn't mean the lyrics are bad, it just means they're average. Nothing I would call good and certainly no where close to great.
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Re: Survival haters

Postby LIL_B » Aug 15th, '13, 22:33

guesswhosback08 wrote: its better than 95% of rap that is out right now

not remotely close lol
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Hopsinshadie » Aug 15th, '13, 22:51

Kill You wrote:For da haterz doe.



Give me a single that sounds as good as ''Till I Collapse'' and I''ll be happy. Heck even half as good as that and I'll be satisfied.

His voice sucks now. He should take vocal lessons.
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Hopsinshadie » Aug 15th, '13, 22:59

guesswhosback08 wrote: but I feel like its more of a track for high school kids and casual rap fans, obviously trying to appeal to the masses which is his right to do



And Nintendo boys and girls. Obviously a song for gamers!
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Snakebeast » Aug 15th, '13, 23:06

classthe_king wrote:I'll respond. The song AT BEST is average. While it's not as terrible as most of his Recovery stuff and his other verses, it certainly isn't good when looking at the broad range of Hip-Hop atm.

The hook is just loud and obnoxious and sounds horrible.

The delivery is still terrible. While the screaming isn't out of place here, it still shouldn't have been used and sounds horrible. Nothing about it is genuine because Eminem isn't angry. When you listen to old Eminem or Kendrick now you hear an angry person who wants to release that anger on the track. When you listen to this song you hear someone who wants you to think he's angry but isn't at all. It really hurts the ear drums.

The flow, while isn't as scattered and all of the place as before, really isn't that good either. There are some spots where it's decent but other places the awkward pauses thrown in take away from the rhythm imo. Pretty much all the spots where he speeds up his flow real quick, pauses out of nowhere and then screams the end of the line are all examples of this.

The rhyming is actually good, no complaints there.

The lyrics are decent. He doesn't have nearly as many terrine punchlines but he does have a few (hands up like it's 12 noon, hop in and gun it like G-Unit without the hyphen, while I'm wiping my butt cause I just shitted on the mic). The only moment of brilliance was
"Cause you'll never take my pride from me
It'll have to be pried from me"
The rest of the song was face-value lyricism as deep as the surface with little to no depth or creativity in the way he got his message across. Pretty much the opposite of what I was saying about Kendrick in the backstage thread. Now, while this doesn't mean the lyrics are bad, it just means they're average. Nothing I would call good and certainly no where close to great.

When even you don't hate it, Hopsinshadie must be fucking high or something.
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Accor » Aug 15th, '13, 23:14

I agree with most of what Class said. The song screams mediocrity to me. The hook is incredibly generic, the beat is forgettable (although I can't rly hear it that well). It DOES sound like Recovery (and whether you like that or not is completely subjective so I won't even criticize it for that), but an "anthem" in Recovery fashion is an incredibly safe option which is one of my main complaints. This song is safe.

The lyrics are, overall, average to me. There are some good parts, some awful parts, and a lot of average parts. The theme and general subject matter is something he's been doing for a while now. Empty lines about his "rapping abilities" and how he's "still great". And that wouldn't even matter to me if the rapping was good, because in the end how you rap is far more important than what you rap about. But I don't think he's rapping well, the lyrics are unexciting and generic, with no creative thoughts or moments of wit. There ARE some bad lines, maybe not as much as Eminem circa 2012, but still.

From a technical aspect I'm sure he's fine, although he did have to alter the pronunciation of a couple of words to fit rhyme schemes, something he should be able to avoid if his lyrics are going to be as empty as they are. He used to be able to sound like he was having a conversation while rapping.

So yeah, I don't like it because the writing is generic and safe, the theme is generic and safe, and the sound is generic and safe. Average song at best.
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Hopsinshadie » Aug 15th, '13, 23:20

It sounds like Eminem is continuing to rap just to rap. He's overdoing it and maybe the best course of action would be to tread lightly.
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Ubb » Aug 15th, '13, 23:23

Hopsinshadie wrote:It sounds like Eminem is continuing to rap just to rap. He's overdoing it and maybe the best course of action would be to tread lightly.

I was going to say fuck you, until I read that Breaking Bad reference.
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Insidious91 » Aug 16th, '13, 01:04

classthe_king wrote:I'll respond. The song AT BEST is average. While it's not as terrible as most of his Recovery stuff and his other verses, it certainly isn't good when looking at the broad range of Hip-Hop atm.

The hook is just loud and obnoxious and sounds horrible.

The delivery is still terrible. While the screaming isn't out of place here, it still shouldn't have been used and sounds horrible. Nothing about it is genuine because Eminem isn't angry. When you listen to old Eminem or Kendrick now you hear an angry person who wants to release that anger on the track. When you listen to this song you hear someone who wants you to think he's angry but isn't at all. It really hurts the ear drums.

The flow, while isn't as scattered and all of the place as before, really isn't that good either. There are some spots where it's decent but other places the awkward pauses thrown in take away from the rhythm imo. Pretty much all the spots where he speeds up his flow real quick, pauses out of nowhere and then screams the end of the line are all examples of this.

The rhyming is actually good, no complaints there.

The lyrics are decent. He doesn't have nearly as many terrine punchlines but he does have a few (hands up like it's 12 noon, hop in and gun it like G-Unit without the hyphen, while I'm wiping my butt cause I just shitted on the mic). The only moment of brilliance was
"Cause you'll never take my pride from me
It'll have to be pried from me"
The rest of the song was face-value lyricism as deep as the surface with little to no depth or creativity in the way he got his message across. Pretty much the opposite of what I was saying about Kendrick in the backstage thread. Now, while this doesn't mean the lyrics are bad, it just means they're average. Nothing I would call good and certainly no where close to great.


I completely agree with this :y:
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Re: Survival haters

Postby kkaniff » Aug 16th, '13, 04:12

I'll respond.
First off, you say "while its not as terrible as most of his recovery songs and other verses", thus implying that his other verses and recovery are shit terrible. That is wrong. I dont give a fuck what your standards are, recovery was average, not trash, and its people like you that set ever increasingly stupid standards for Em compared to other rappers which makes getting a fair review of an Em song on the internet hard. Now I'll quote, since I can't be bothered to type it again.
"Fuck. Okay.
First off, saying 'Ye switched things up
and made shit interesting, while Em
remains stale is silly to the point of
stupidity. You're basing this on what?
a song for a videogame that we have
no Word of God confirmation is on
the album. Yeah.
Even claiming that Survival is no
different from songs from Recovery
makes no sense, man. I know it may
be hard for you Kanye Stans, but wait,
you hear that dude saying words that
rhyme over that admittedly shitty
beat? That dude's name is Eminem,
and those are called lyrics. Listen to
them. Dont be distracted by the fancy
sounding drums and all that extra
shit. Now come back and tell me New
Slaves > . Or the second second verse
is the greatest of all time. Foh"

I've kinda lost my train of thought, maybe I'll be back with an edit. I will day this though, if you can't hear the differences between this and Recovery era songs, then there's nothing I can do for you.
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Re: Survival haters

Postby Whitefox » Aug 16th, '13, 04:19

I hate Say Goodbye Hollywood, he is yelling there. And Till I Collapse sucks too, he pronounces the word "every" in a wrong way to fit the rhyme. And Lose Yourself is an average song. Concept is simple, plus he ends second verse with "duh-duh-dum", which is just whack.
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