Eminem - MMLP 2 - NOV. 5, 2013 NO SNIPPET DISCUSSION

[kokasov]

[...]I do like relapse tho most of the time...theres been times I think of it as just a lyrical version of encore[...]

I feel the same way. It definitely fit into his mid-era style a lot more. It's like he re-booted after Relapse and started over with a different sound.

[VINTAGƎ]

When I ask co workers at my job, or associates underneath me at my job, they all prefer Recovery to Relapse, aside from one guy.

When you talk to hip hop heads in real life, they much much much prefer his rapping on Hell the Sequel to either, but still prefer his style on Recovery as oppose to the accents on Relapse.

The reason Relapse, which I still feel is a solid album just like Recovery, was a miss.....was because his intent was stir controversy again, and it didn't really do anything like that. And lets not beat around the bush, that accent....man oh man

I have a whole theory on this thing.

See, every album from SSLP to TES showed growth and increased maturity in him as an artist and a person. Which was great because he came about during my formative years. So yeah, early teens it was cool to hear him rap bad words and say shocking stuff, but as I got into middle/late teens, I needed something else, and TES served that need.

The drugs, being worn out from the beefs, this explosion of fame after TES/8 mile burned him out. He was unfocused and cracked under pressure. Instead of doing the most logical thing and releasing a record that built on TES's maturity and introspectiveness, he went in the complete opposite direction and went funny. Only nobody laughed.

So he goes into hiding for a variety of reasons.

As he's staging his comeback, he listens to Encore, trying to figure out what went wrong, and what he needed to do to get back. He thinks fans want the old material back, and to prove he could still rap, he overcompensated by being extremely technical.

Hence, Relapse. An entire album of shock stuff that, coming from a man who had already showed maturity in Eminem Show, and was in his late 30s, seemed corny and forced. And the accents as you mentioned were atrocious for most songs (fit the theme for a few though)

The best thing to come out of the Relapse era was his technical skill. He took it into a gear I didn't know he had. That's the only redeemable thing about that era for me.

Anyway -- so Relapse comes and it's a critical bomb. That's two strikes now. Now he's really confused.

So what does he do? Drops the accents, drops the shock, grows up. Recovery sounds like the next logical album after TES to me. It's where he should have gone all along.

Now we have MMLP 2 -- hopefully he shows growth and builds upon Recovery.

I really don't want a 41 year old trying to rap like a 26 year old. I don't think we'll get that though.

[therapist]

I just realized. Eminem is going to be knocked off the Billboard 200 Top Albums chart right on his second week. Gaga's album is expected on November 11th i guess. Who do you think will have higher first week sales? Especially since her last studio album did 1.1 million first week i think. Although i believe that was the case because she sold the album for 1$ or something like that. Anyways it will be interesting to see who is at number 1 on the third week of MMLP 2 release. Since its going to be her second week and his third week. Em hold well on album charts generally.

If MMLP2 lives up to the hype is will long outlive Gaga's album. She's kinda fallen off tbh. If anyone is going to do a milli this year it's Em. But yeah he may be knocked off the charts, but thats normal... charts don't mean nearly as much as overall sales. Like the Heist, it only debuted at 2 overall on itunes but it has independently stayed in the top 5 hip hop albums for over a year and in the top 25 in the billboard 200 for a whole year as well.

[jshashwat]

I just realized. Eminem is going to be knocked off the Billboard 200 Top Albums chart right on his second week. Gaga's album is expected on November 11th i guess. Who do you think will have higher first week sales? Especially since her last studio album did 1.1 million first week i think. Although i believe that was the case because she sold the album for 1$ or something like that. Anyways it will be interesting to see who is at number 1 on the third week of MMLP 2 release. Since its going to be her second week and his third week. Em hold well on album charts generally.

If MMLP2 lives up to the hype is will long outlive Gaga's album. She's kinda fallen off tbh. If anyone is going to do a milli this year it's Em. But yeah he may be knocked off the charts, but thats normal... charts don't mean nearly as much as overall sales. Like the Heist, it only debuted at 2 overall on itunes but it has independently stayed in the top 5 hip hop albums for over a year and in the top 25 in the billboard 200 for a whole year as well.

That's why i believe on MMLP2's 3rd week it will be at #1 while Lady Gaga will be at #2. If Em retains the first spot for his second week it will be insane.

[VINTAGƎ]

Relapse had some really good stuff on it too and honestly I don't mind the fucked up shit, like em said, he is an artist and he just paints the picture of what he was seeing at the time. I can deal with that :P But again, eminem has the potential to really leave the world with something and if he gets as far as the rock n roll hall of fame encore and relapse are going to be essentially black marks on his record...

Absolutely. I get frustrated sometimes. We've seen his highs. We know what he's capable of.

See, I'm a fan of music. Any genre. If it's good, I'll give it a chance.

When you hear Till I Collapse, Lose Yourself, Stan, Sing For The Moment -- you just can't put out We Made You, Just Lose It, etc after that. You just can't.

When he's at his best he's not competing with other rappers, he's competing with songwriters as a whole.

My fear is we're gonna look back at his catalog and find more shock rap than honest, flawless, anthemic records. I don't want that.

[therapist]

Goodnight everyone.

[JamaicanPattlez]

Exactly and LTWYL was a fantastic song. Why shouldn't he be able to make songs like that? He really got down onto paper what millions of people probably have an infinitely hard time trying to describe. It speaks to people. It isn't just successful because Rihanna is on it, it is more successful than any of Rihanna's singles and has far more views on YT than any rihanna single as well. It's a powerhouse of a song and god forbid that two talented artists with mainstream appeal get together and actually make GOOD music. At least that's the way I see it ^_^

Truth. I love Recovery too, it's a great fuckin album. Sure, the production isn't consistent, and yes, Eminem's punchline game is weak on that record (Though to be fair, he's never been a punchline rapper to begin with...) but it's still great. Trust me, if Dre produced the entire album, or Em did it himself, it'd be amazing. Maybe even classic. Recovery was needed for the world to take him serious again. Now with MMLP2, you get the feeling of... he's just getting started. And don't let the third verse of The Monster fool you, Em's always talked about wanting to quit from since TES days, but here he is. The man loves music so much, he'd get bored super quickly when he stops. It's all he has to him, and in a sense, he just got back. So he's not going anywhere for a long time.

[VINTAGƎ]

Goodnight everyone.

Night

[CitrusMocha]

Goodnight everyone.

[therapist]

Yep. Dude you said it well. In my opinion he is the first artist to bring hip-hop into full realization as a genre. To the level where it can produce records of a classic nature, like michael jackson or the beatles.

night for real though guys

[4Corners]

When I ask co workers at my job, or associates underneath me at my job, they all prefer Recovery to Relapse, aside from one guy.

When you talk to hip hop heads in real life, they much much much prefer his rapping on Hell the Sequel to either, but still prefer his style on Recovery as oppose to the accents on Relapse.

The reason Relapse, which I still feel is a solid album just like Recovery, was a miss.....was because his intent was stir controversy again, and it didn't really do anything like that. And lets not beat around the bush, that accent....man oh man

I have a whole theory on this thing.

See, every album from SSLP to TES showed growth and increased maturity in him as an artist and a person. Which was great because he came about during my formative years. So yeah, early teens it was cool to hear him rap bad words and say shocking stuff, but as I got into middle/late teens, I needed something else, and TES served that need.

The drugs, being worn out from the beefs, this explosion of fame after TES/8 mile burned him out. He was unfocused and cracked under pressure. Instead of doing the most logical thing and releasing a record that built on TES's maturity and introspectiveness, he went in the complete opposite direction and went funny. Only nobody laughed.

So he goes into hiding for a variety of reasons.

As he's staging his comeback, he listens to Encore, trying to figure out what went wrong, and what he needed to do to get back. He thinks fans want the old material back, and to prove he could still rap, he overcompensated by being extremely technical.

Hence, Relapse. An entire album of shock stuff that, coming from a man who had already showed maturity in Eminem Show, and was in his late 30s, seemed corny and forced. And the accents as you mentioned were atrocious for most songs (fit the theme for a few though)

The best thing to come out of the Relapse era was his technical skill. He took it into a gear I didn't know he had. That's the only redeemable thing about that era for me.

Anyway -- so Relapse comes and it's a critical bomb. That's two strikes now. Now he's really confused.

So what does he do? Drops the accents, drops the shock, grows up. Recovery sounds like the next logical album after TES to me. It's where he should have gone all along.

Now we have MMLP 2 -- hopefully he shows growth and builds upon Recovery.

I really don't want a 41 year old trying to rap like a 26 year old. I don't think we'll get that though.

I agree. I think the accent fits on some tracks and not others. Had he used the hint of the accent with a more normalized voice, see Music Box/Elevator/Deja Vu, I think the album would have been received better. The accent only works for me on songs like 3am, Stay Wide Awake, Same Song & Dance, and maybe Hello.

I've always used this as my own personal Relapse track list.

1. Dr West
2. 3am
3. Hell Breaks Loose
4. Insane
5. Hello
6. Tonya
7. Same Song & Dance
8. Elevator
9. Old Time's Sake
10. Must be the Ganja
11. Mr Mathers
12. Deja Vu
13. Music Box
14. Beautiful
15. My Darling
16. Drop the Bomb On Em
17. Crack A Bottle
18. Careful What You Wish For
19. Underground

For me personally, this made me enjoy it more.

[VINTAGƎ]

Exactly and LTWYL was a fantastic song. Why shouldn't he be able to make songs like that? He really got down onto paper what millions of people probably have an infinitely hard time trying to describe. It speaks to people. It isn't just successful because Rihanna is on it, it is more successful than any of Rihanna's singles and has far more views on YT than any rihanna single as well. It's a powerhouse of a song and god forbid that two talented artists with mainstream appeal get together and actually make GOOD music. At least that's the way I see it ^_^

Truth. I love Recovery too, it's a great fuckin album. Sure, the production isn't consistent, and yes, Eminem's punchline game is weak on that record (Though to be fair, he's never been a punchline rapper to begin with...) but it's still great. Trust me, if Dre produced the entire album, or Em did it himself, it'd be amazing. Maybe even classic. Recovery was needed for the world to take him serious again. Now with MMLP2, you get the feeling of... he's just getting started. And don't let the third verse of The Monster fool you, Em's always talked about wanting to quit from since TES days, but here he is. The man loves music so much, he'd get bored super quickly when he stops. It's all he has to him, and in a sense, he just got back. So he's not going anywhere for a long time.

Yeah the production I don't understand. He's more than capable. He crafts his own unique sound.

He really needs to go back to that.

Like he said, for Recovery he just wanted to focus on writing. Maybe he enjoyed just having to focus on that aspect and not be bogged down with the intricacies of producing, so he decided to do it again on here.

I feel personally he's at his best when it's his own production, but if he has his reasons for doing less production these days, it is what it is. So long as the songs are still quality.

[MikeBett]

I'll take all the bullshit songs on Encore over We Made You anyday lol. Most awkward sounding forced celebrity bashing ever. He needed to let Bizarre keep that shit....Same Song and Dance is dope tho, cuz it was creatively reflecting on how it used to seem like he was obsessed with them, and sonically it's appeasing. We Made You is more embarrassing than Just Lost It, cuz he obviously just didn't give a fuck anymore and tried to make it stupid, WMY he was actually trying hard to recreate TRSS type shit

[JamaicanPattlez]

Yep. Dude you said it well. In my opinion he is the first artist to bring hip-hop into full realization as a genre. To the level where it can produce records of a classic nature, like michael jackson or the beatles.

night for real though guys

This is why I think it's utterly retarded how emcees think they can't be the second or third to reach that level. Their mentality's fucked up, that's the whole reason. A lot of them are focused on bars. That's it. Be the rawest emcee out there. And that's cool and all, sure. Hip Hop as a culture is competitive. But eventually, you're gonna want to evolve from that. You want to be able to create music. Songwriter is the right worl. Eminem is not some deity where nobody can touch him. Look at songs like Sing For The Moment, Lose Yourself and my biggest example, Stan. THOSE are songs. Those reach people. There's a reason why songs like that hit people, and it's not because he's white. He can connect with the listener with his emotion, that's the whole point, coupled with the passion, hunger, vision, drive and outright love he has for the culture. Mix that together, and it's no wonder you get a rapper like Em in his prime.

[therapist]

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