Tiny Skitz

[EminemBase]

This guy is from my city, he's been at it for years now. All of them have, none of them very good but he's getting pretty decent now...



Was just thinking also, that 'style' Young Money do, it's pretty much what Grime artists have always done. And I've noticed American artists of late have been mentioning they've been checking grime (aka they may be trying to imitate it).

Am sure Em mentioned it too. So I think they're just trying to imitate that slightly also. And if you hear Em's flow now, speeding up and slowing down - And check Tiny's flow there, that's a grime-style flow. I know people like Andre 3k have been doing it for a while... But that's where Grime draws much of its influence (southern hip-hop) - In style and attitude anyway I think so makes sense.

Anyway, be interested to see what any Americans here make of Tiny. Purely to see if you even understand the accent etc. lol. As it's a Newport (where I'm from) accent which is.. A weird accent. It's like half-welsh / half-English but the vowels are more harsh like American so it may be easier than most UK accents. Met him few times, he's alright. At least he spits in his natural accent and doesn't try be something he isn't.

[mcZu]

He's not bad, pretty good.

As for Grime, Grime emcees are eons ahead of Rap emcees. The beats they rap on, their styles, their emotion, their flows, their rhyme schemes, are all better. A Rap beat doesn't hype me us much as a Grime beat does.

The funny thing is, is that that style has been around for ages, though called Garage, but the minute Westwood started to play it they started to call it Grime. I may be off on the exact history, but as far as I have heard from a couple of UK artists, Grime is Garage.

[EminemBase]

He's not bad, pretty good.

As for Grime, Grime emcees are eons ahead of Rap emcees. The beats they rap on, their styles, their emotion, their flows, their rhyme schemes, are all better. A Rap beat doesn't hype me us much as a Grime beat does.

Exactly. They absolutely are, their flows are bananas, and lyrically they just incorporate so many elements. Only thing is the content, I'm from the UK so have listened to Grime for a while but I dunno, still not as good as hip-hop to me.

Still something missing. It needs to evolve but... keep its integrity.

The funny thing is, is that that style has been around for ages, though called Garage, but the minute Westwood started to play it they started to call it Grime. I may be off on the exact history, but as far as I have heard from a couple of UK artists, Grime is Garage.

Nah Garage and Grime are different.

They sort of mesh and clash a lot because they're both urban / underground. Garage not so much but Grime very much still is.

Grime sort of grew out of it and also drew hip-hop and other influence. But Garage isn't Grime. Grime is more lyrical, more urban, more like hip-hop.

But what's hilarious is how much attention you see people like Drake get for being "lyrical" in the US lmao. When even this guy, from my city - Makes him look embarrassing. And not just him, I mean pretty much every Grime artist going .

I remember seeing a Rolling Stone review of Dizzee's first album also saying it highlights how many US superstar (hip-hop) careers have been built on such averageness in comparison. In a way it's almost like a step forward from hip-hop, an evolution in a skill-set but it doesn't have the artistry yet, it's still aimless and in total infancy. Interesting to see where it goes though.

[classthe_king]

From what I've heard from One Mic, Grime is fucking horrible. Maybe the worst type of rap ever. I would rather listen to bubblegum dirty south pop music or Bricksquad music.

[EminemBase]

From what I've heard from One Mic, Grime is fucking horrible. Maybe the worst type of rap ever. I would rather listen to bubblegum dirty south pop music or Bricksquad music.

Maybe you should check things out yourself then as apposed to listening to other people. Good Grime artists > most hip-hop artists (lyrically / flow-wise). It's another level.

It's just the artistry and content isn't there yet. But in terms of pure skill, most Grime artists spit circles around top US MCs. And it's not rap, it just draws influence from it.

[mcZu]

From what I've heard from One Mic, Grime is fucking horrible. Maybe the worst type of rap ever. I would rather listen to bubblegum dirty south pop music or Bricksquad music.

One Mic hates lyrical songs.

How is this worse than dirty south pop music?

He's not bad, pretty good.

As for Grime, Grime emcees are eons ahead of Rap emcees. The beats they rap on, their styles, their emotion, their flows, their rhyme schemes, are all better. A Rap beat doesn't hype me us much as a Grime beat does.

Exactly. They absolutely are, their flows are bananas, and lyrically they just incorporate so many elements. Only thing is the content, I'm from the UK so have listened to Grime for a while but I dunno, still not as good as hip-hop to me.

Still something missing. It needs to evolve but... keep its integrity.

True, but it'll get there eventually.

The funny thing is, is that that style has been around for ages, though called Garage, but the minute Westwood started to play it they started to call it Grime. I may be off on the exact history, but as far as I have heard from a couple of UK artists, Grime is Garage.

Nah Garage and Grime are different.

They sort of mesh and clash a lot because they're both urban / underground. Garage not so much but Grime very much still is.

Grime sort of grew out of it and also drew hip-hop and other influence. But Garage isn't Grime. Grime is more lyrical, more urban, more like hip-hop.

But what's hilarious is how much attention you see people like Drake get for being "lyrical" in the US lmao. When even this guy, from my city - Makes him look embarrassing. And not just him, I mean pretty much every Grime artist going .

I remember seeing a Rolling Stone review of Dizzee's first album also saying it highlights how many US superstar (hip-hop) careers have been built on such averageness in comparison.

I see, thanks for clearing that up.

[classthe_king]

That's actually pretty good. The only stuff I've heard is shit like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2laqtaTgM



But when people say they don't want to listen underground music because it doesn't matter how good there lyrics if it doesn't sound good they don't want to listen to it doesn't make sense to me because I think underground rap does sound good. But imo, Grime really doesn't sound good. It's just hard to listen to, but as someone like me who always reps it's all about lyrics I'll listen to more of this to see if it starts to grow on me. Are there any Grime albums that are really good?

[EminemBase]

That's actually pretty good. The only stuff I've heard is shit like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2laqtaTgM

Yeah well that's fucking ear-wrenching.

But that's why you need to seek out yourself and find the quality in a genre. One Mic clearly doesn't know good Grime if he's showing you shit like that.

You were banging on at me saying I only listen to Eminem and friends, which isn't true - Well, take your own criticism on board and scour Grime yourself instead of listening to others. Good Grime artists make most rappers look shamefully slow and retarded.

But when people say they don't want to listen underground music because it doesn't matter how good there lyrics if it doesn't sound good they don't want to listen to it doesn't make sense to me because I think underground rap does sound good. But imo, Grime really doesn't sound good. It's just hard to listen to, but as someone like me who always reps it's all about lyrics I'll listen to more of this to see if it starts to grow on me. Are there any Grime albums that are really good?

Some Grime is annoying / hard to listen to. But again, not good Grime. Grime MCs who mix the right amount of elements and craft it properly, make purely stimulating shit.

You admitted yourself you haven't hardly heard any so how can you dismiss an entire genre based on that. If you haven't already check out Dizzee Rascal's first two albums.

Especially his first though Boy In Da Corner. A fucking classic. He made it at 18 too, incredible and he's an amazing producer. Again, to craft that shit at 18, the lyricism and sound is just bombastic. He was in his own lane then.

He's pretty much the only decent Grime MC to breakthrough ATM though. But another good MC you could check out is JME. He spits a lot slower but still has pure Grime grit to his personality and sound, there's something unique about him and he's clever with it.

Another one is Doctor. He made a good album. Totally underground. I have some good Grime shit to send you, add me on MSN if you want it.

[classthe_king]

I'll check all them out


What's your msn

[EminemBase]

I'll check all them out


What's your msn

[classthe_king]

Yeah...I hated Dizzee Rascal.

[EminemBase]

Add me if you want good grime. Edited my addy away now.

You can just click on the messenger man under my name anyway.

[EminemBase]

He is fucking ill

Oh you like him, nice.

How does the accent sound to your ears?

Part of the reason I don't try is the accent lmao. Like I said though, I'd imagine the Newport accent would be easier to understand for Americans than most UK accents, is it?

[EminemBase]

Here's another good recent one of his...