12/18/06 - Is Hip-Hop Dead? Luda, Big Boi Disagree With Nas

[Coccoa]

Well i argue about whos better not what people like. You talk subjectively, im talking about sumthin else.

And smudging paint on a canvas can create a picture (and it does...abstract art is not rly art for real) of a person, a site, a situation anything. Scratching a vinyl disk only fucks up the needle, no matter HOW much it pleases the ears of hip hop fans, or how catchy can that be, ITS NOT ART.

And to think....all this shit started becuz i backed up Luda and Big Boi instead of Nas.

[AspirinE]

Well i argue about whos better not what people like. You talk subjectively, im talking about sumthin else.

And smudging paint on a canvas can create a picture (and it does...abstract art is not rly art for real) of a person, a site, a situation anything. Scratching a vinyl disk only fucks up the needle, no matter HOW much it pleases the ears of hip hop fans, or how catchy can that be, ITS NOT ART.

And to think....all this shit started becuz i backed up Luda and Big Boi instead of Nas.

just coz u dont like it, doesnt mean it not art. U create a specific sound wen u make scratches some people love the idea and love the sound(just like in the old days distorted guitars would sound wrong to listeners of the era as they grew up listning to clean strums.

wen u make a sculpture out of precious stone, u ruin part of the stone and the tool ur making it with, so ur point about damage to the needle etc... is vague.

Besides there are turntables that dont need vinyls anymore, so here u go - an instrument.

[Coccoa]

I think u dont get it, its not art, and its not like that becuz i dont like it, its not art becuz its not art. Distorted guitars have nothing to do with it. Rock was inspired and was ACTUALLY music, music that people worked to create with pentagrams and notes and they wrote it using REAL INSTRUMENTS (whether it has been recorded with real instruments its obscure, altho 99% chances are there were real instruments in the booth as well, there wasnt "sampling" back then). Turntables are not instruments, they are mechanisms to reproduce LP vinyl disks. Saying a turntable is an instrument is like saying ur DVD player, ur walkman, ur Ipod, ur car's CD player are musical instruments. Instruments are either percussions (using membrane or other material to create sound thru hits), strings (obviously having string and soundholes to create music notes) or blown (using a steady air-flow and diaphragms to create notes). A turntable is a electric mechanism that uses a needle, connected to a microphonic diaphragm and condensor, to "translate" the waveform of the vinyl disk into energy (Hz) and thru it, to ur speakers. That's what a turntable is. Not an instrument, no nothing.

[AspirinE]

I think u dont get it, its not art, and its not like that becuz i dont like it, its not art becuz its not art. Distorted guitars have nothing to do with it. Rock was inspired and was ACTUALLY music, music that people worked to create with pentagrams and notes and they wrote it using REAL INSTRUMENTS (whether it has been recorded with real instruments its obscure, altho 99% chances are there were real instruments in the booth as well, there wasnt "sampling" back then). Turntables are not instruments, they are mechanisms to reproduce LP vinyl disks. Saying a turntable is an instrument is like saying ur DVD player, ur walkman, ur Ipod, ur car's CD player are musical instruments. Instruments are either percussions (using membrane or other material to create sound thru hits), strings (obviously having string and soundholes to create music notes) or blown (using a steady air-flow and diaphragms to create notes). A turntable is a electric mechanism that uses a needle, connected to a microphonic diaphragm and condensor, to "translate" the waveform of the vinyl disk into energy (Hz) and thru it, to ur speakers. That's what a turntable is. Not an instrument, no nothing.

i know what the fuck a turntable is.

U make music by hitting sticks on rocks and waving a rattle snake like a lasso.

Ur being conservative about music thats what it is. Turntabalism was inspired and techniiques to make sound were make. It was made an instrument.

the ancients made the arp to out of strings, these metal strings are also in a way instruments, but somebody put them together to make noise, noise that appealed to some.

A drum doesnt need notes... it was used because it makes apealing sounds then they started making variations.

U can create a new sound on a turn table and u can manipulate the process of making that sound, better yet, different record creates a different sound. It is an instrument, just isnt called that yet.

Anything can make alter sound, can be used as an instrument.

[Coccoa]

i know what the fuck a turntable is.

U make music by hitting sticks on rocks and waving a rattle snake like a lasso.

Ur being conservative about music thats what it is. Turntabalism was inspired and techniiques to make sound were make. It was made an instrument.

the ancients made the arp to out of strings, these metal strings are also in a way instruments, but somebody put them together to make noise, noise that appealed to some.

A drum doesnt need notes... it was used because it makes apealing sounds then they started making variations.

U can create a new sound on a turn table and u can manipulate the process of making that sound, better yet, different record creates a different sound. It is an instrument, just isnt called that yet.

Anything can make alter sound, can be used as an instrument.

You just killed it.

You dont make a song by waving rattlesnakes or whatever. They are not instruments = they dont create music.

A turntable was an inspiring creation but NOT A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT.

The strings are PART of the instrument. Arps still exist today and are considered instruments. Strings are the part of the instrument, not the instrument itself.

A drum DOES and HAS notes, ask any respectable drummer u can find. Drums can perform SOLOS = they have notes.

Create a new sound on turntable by playing it backwards?? Maybe....a sound...a general, absurd frequency....... but not music. Its not an instrument and will never be. Instruments are done, there wont be any new instruments since the now existing ones cover every frequency ur ear can catch and even more. No need for new ones, especially a "wannabe" one, lol.

Yeah u can use a rock to make sound, but it doesnt make it an instrument, not it makes music the generated sound.

Period i win, its over.

[AspirinE]

You just killed it.

You dont make a song by waving rattlesnakes or whatever. They are not instruments = they dont create music.

shakers are considered instruments therattlesnake thing was a joke. Sombody had to use a random sound that an obect makes to make it an instrument.

A turntable was an inspiring creation but NOT A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT.

Like the antient person used a primitive object to make sound and creat music, we invent a new sound using a new object that never was available before.

The strings are PART of the instrument. Arps still exist today and are considered instruments. Strings are the part of the instrument, not the instrument itself.

I stated my analogy clearly enough with the strings.

A drum DOES and HAS notes, ask any respectable drummer u can find. Drums can perform SOLOS = they have notes.

it didnt have notes till man started experimenting with it. Somebody had to make a can and a thin leather cover into an instrument before it was an instrument, and it was used as an instrument coz man found the sound apealing.

Create a new sound on turntable by playing it backwards?? Maybe....a sound...a general, absurd frequency....... but not music.

Every instrument creates absurd frequencies, music is made out of absurd frequencies put together.

Its not an instrument and will never be. Instruments are done, there wont be any new instruments since the now existing ones cover every frequency ur ear can catch and even more. No need for new ones, especially a "wannabe" one, lol.

The turntable is the only instrument that make a specific sound and sound combination, u cant make that kind of combination on any cultural instrument.

[Coccoa]

Aright gotta answer again.

Shakers are considered percussions. In fact they are.

We are not ancients, we already know what an instrument is and what non. Turntables are NOT instruments and a dumbfuck that didnt know how to create a percussion 20.000 years ago doesnt mean anything today.

The analogy u made might not be wrong, but im still right about it.

Explain me how the can-tin and leather has anything to do with turntables not being instruments of music?? Sure tincans with leather membranes became instruments, that doesnt mean the turntable will have the same fate. And drums DO have notes as i said.

Ok if u so sure about the frequencies....play Doe with ur turntable. Play every note. Doe Ray Mee Fa Sol La Ti Daa play em all. Go ahead play em. You cant play em....try playing the old Arabian-Byzantine notes instead. You cant play em either....wonder why?? Cuz only instruments can do that. Accidently hitting ur wall and making a sound that is similar to Fa or Sol doesnt mean anything. Turntables dont have octaves. Instruments do.

And u seem pretty about that last comment, there is an instrument for every single frequency band....turntable doesnt do anything new.

[D@vid]

even though hot chocolate fag is stupid, i still kinda agrre with him

[AspirinE]

Depends how u think of it, i never said that turntable is an "instrument", i consider the posibility of using it as one coz of its unique sound. we were arguing wether u can make music with it. Music can be made with anything. period. with any object.

[D@vid]

Depends how u think of it, i never said that turntable is an "instrument", i consider the posibility of using it as one coz of its unique sound. we were arguing wether u can make music with it. Music can be made with anything. period. with any object.

i agree with u on that, but it isn't an instrument.i didn't read everything u guys wrote, so i was just agreeing with him that its not an instrument, but like u said it does make noises or whatever, so its something.

[AspirinE]

the very first discussion was if turntables make music.

YES they fucking do. Coz music is what our mind makes it.

Sketches are drawn with pencils but u can fucking use almost anything to draw.

[D@vid]

the very first discussion was if turntables make music.

YES they fucking do. Coz music is what our mind makes it.

Sketches are drawn with pencils but u can fucking use almost anything to draw.

[Coccoa]

the very first discussion was if turntables make music.

YES they fucking do. Coz music is what our mind makes it.

Sketches are drawn with pencils but u can fucking use almost anything to draw.

No they dont. Music = notes. Play a note with a turntable. Not a sound. A note. I told u before. Play Fa with a turntable. Play Sol with a turntable. I dont care about painting, its not the same.

[spitz]

from what i see, yall are all right. music can be anything. coccoaa said play "Fa" on a turntable. but if a cave man banged on a wall n called it "ooga ooga", u wooda jus said "play ooga ooga on a turntable". but since thats not what happened, someone else named it. music is what u make it.....is what YOU make it.

[Coccoa]

Thats ur best spitz?? Mozart was a caveman right?? Chopin was a caveman right. You think music is what we make it?? Its so obvious you kid dont know nothing about it. TOTALLY NOTHING.