Hip hop without the Funk element.

[AspirinE]

I been wanting to make this topic a long time ago.

The main reason I believe hip hop isn't what it really used to be is because that funky element which was present up until the mid 90's. How can one deny that that funk music wasn't crucial to the movement of the music we call hip hop? how can we just take it out and still call it hip hop? In fact many prominent artists would tell you that it was the musical engine to the new genre.

Today they replaced those funky tunes with low bass, with some shitty snappy beats which almost any producer can make, the beats sound hollow, the rhymes get less pleasant and "alive". Most people from this new era ignorantly don't notice that, but they don't know the difference between Hip hop and "Rap". After all anybody can "rap", its just pointless without the music.

And yes i do realize that Funk as a movement has faded away and no one can sample it etc... etc.. BUT.. kids should be picking up real musical instruments instead of wasting time on trash music made by computers, Hip Hop can serve as a revival to the original Funk, spicing up the Hip Hop with it too. Big ups to the underground that still stays true to hip hop's true nature.

Let me know if any of you feel the same way.

[yoshi]

^ kinda


when i listen to the older stuff, it just sounds more......'lightly' if you know what i mean lol i hope you do anyway nowadays sometimes i just feel like the beat is a bit overhelming..

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

well to go right back hip hop/funk it was all made for the party, witch then turned into the club banger as stuff progressed, im guessing you could say without the funk its not really original hip hop, i myself never really listened to strong funk hip hop, ive listened to stuff influenced by funk..

the problem is see it isnt really the music

ok i agree with clicking a button to make a bass is easy, but it still requires the producers brain, and if the producer is making from start to finish of the beat through there own brain i respect that production no matter the sound, exept dirty south since eveyrone of the beats sound the same 2 me

people sampling ( kayn west ) isnt a real producer, you actually explained this 2 me asp if you remember

anywae with beats goin forward its just like any other thing moving forward

drawings > GFX enhanced drwing > to fully animated movies

have you ever watched I Robot ?

what you were syaing about instruments they say about it in that somehting like

a carpenter makes a beautiful chain with his hands over 2 weeks, its a masterpeice, a robot makes the same thing in 5 hours...

the industry/most people alive, will want the faster way to do it

anywae i still aint even sayed what i wanted to say im get carried away

for me the problem would be beats are advancing but the ryhming isnt, the ryhming getting worse and wose with every new rapper that hits mainstream,
and respect to rappers like marco polo who's album still had the old school feel turntables dj scratching everyhting with dope lyrics, guys like that are true hip hop artists

but the beats for me aint really a big issue for hip hop, if the guys making the beats from start to finish himself and its getting ryhmed over with dope smart complex lyrics on a good subject..to me its hip hop

ui already sayed places before Hip Hop artist - MC - rapper - all different types of artists

[Hadez]

well to go right back hip hop/funk it was all made for the party, witch then turned into the club banger as stuff progressed, im guessing you could say without the funk its not really original hip hop, i myself never really listened to strong funk hip hop, ive listened to stuff influenced by funk..

the problem is see it isnt really the music

ok i agree with clicking a button to make a bass is easy, but it still requires the producers brain, and if the producer is making from start to finish of the beat through there own brain i respect that production no matter the sound, exept dirty south since eveyrone of the beats sound the same 2 me

people sampling ( kayn west ) isnt a real producer, you actually explained this 2 me asp if you remember

anywae with beats goin forward its just like any other thing moving forward

drawings > GFX enhanced drwing > to fully animated movies

have you ever watched I Robot ?

what you were syaing about instruments they say about it in that somehting like

a carpenter makes a beautiful chain with his hands over 2 weeks, its a masterpeice, a robot makes the same thing in 5 hours...

the industry/most people alive, will want the faster way to do it

anywae i still aint even sayed what i wanted to say im get carried away

for me the problem would be beats are advancing but the ryhming isnt, the ryhming getting worse and wose with every new rapper that hits mainstream,
and respect to rappers like marco polo who's album still had the old school feel turntables dj scratching everyhting with dope lyrics, guys like that are true hip hop artists

but the beats for me aint really a big issue for hip hop, if the guys making the beats from start to finish himself and its getting ryhmed over with dope smart complex lyrics on a good subject..to me its hip hop

ui already sayed places before Hip Hop artist - MC - rapper - all different types of artists

well said.

[AspirinE]

well to go right back hip hop/funk it was all made for the party, witch then turned into the club banger as stuff progressed, im guessing you could say without the funk its not really original hip hop, i myself never really listened to strong funk hip hop, ive listened to stuff influenced by funk..

theres no such think as "funk hip hop" im talking about the element.

the problem is see it isnt really the music

ok i agree with clicking a button to make a bass is easy, but it still requires the producers brain, and if the producer is making from start to finish of the beat through there own brain i respect that production no matter the sound, exept dirty south since eveyrone of the beats sound the same 2 me

a producer in hip hop is almost nothing to a real producers, real producers work with music, the original producers for hip hop were DJ's.

people sampling ( kayn west ) isnt a real producer, you actually explained this 2 me asp if you remember

thats not the way i explained it. I said, Kanye cant sample for shit, he does the easiest kind of sampling.

anywae with beats goin forward its just like any other thing moving forward

drawings > GFX enhanced drwing > to fully animated movies

animated movies are nothing without original drawings, u need an artist designer .. still.

have you ever watched I Robot ?

what you were syaing about instruments they say about it in that somehting like
a carpenter makes a beautiful chain with his hands over 2 weeks, its a masterpeice, a robot makes the same thing in 5 hours...
the industry/most people alive, will want the faster way to do it

Talking about different things here, ur twisting the story. You cant turn a music that has roots in funk into something else, that becomes another genre. In this case rap became POP.

for me the problem would be beats are advancing but the ryhming isnt, the ryhming getting worse and wose with every new rapper that hits mainstream,
and respect to rappers like marco polo who's album still had the old school feel turntables dj scratching everyhting with dope lyrics, guys like that are true hip hop artists

Beats can advance but they can still hold the main concept, u cant take the guitar out of rock, same way u cant take out the turntables out of hip hop.

but the beats for me aint really a big issue for hip hop, if the guys making the beats from start to finish himself and its getting ryhmed over with dope smart complex lyrics on a good subject..to me its hip hop

I disagree, the beat is the music and the vybe behind the rap, thats were Hip hop parts ways with RAP. Rap music is vague without the DJ.

What im saying is Hip hop without the original funk element and the Turtables is not Hip hop, its RAP, and i strongly fear for a complete parting of these elements.

[Hadez]

^^^ i guess i like "rap" betta than "hip-hop" cuz i dont care for funk.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

i aint breaking it all donw like you did but

i was talking about elemts to, having funk in the beat not having funk in the beat, i just worded it different

producer is a producer, no matter the equipment, if there making the stuff from there head, people aint goni go back in time and use a old black and white tellivision wiht no cable coz the want to watch TV as it was intended in the very beginging, so producers aint goni go n spend money on turntables to get a scratch sound when you can donwload one *click* there ya go


ok about drawings, the Producers are still needing the orginal sound..same thing ?

i wasnt twisting i was meaning by people aint goni get guys with the instruments together to make a beat when the can make it on a PC or other machines alot faster

well we are syaing the same thing about the turntables not coming out, i give respect to the guys who keep it in, but if it comes out it is still hip hop to me as long as the people are rythming complex and not doin no clubanger stuff


well i understand what your syaing, but again the ryhming to me is a bigger part, if a guy if doin nursery ryhmes over scratching i aint calling it hip hop, i suppose it about a balance

and those 2 elements will be gone very shortly

[AspirinE]

^^^ i guess i like "rap" betta than "hip-hop" cuz i dont care for funk.

its not about caring for funk. Dont everything so bluntly.

i aint breaking it all donw like you did but

i was talking about elemts to, having funk in the beat not having funk in the beat, i just worded it different

the fact is the further we get from funk and soul and the original concept of the music, the shittier it gets. it doesnt even always have to be funk sampled. Funk set the mood. The rhythm.

producer is a producer, no matter the equipment, if there making the stuff from there head, people aint goni go back in time and use a old black and white tellivision wiht no cable coz the want to watch TV as it was intended in the very beginging, so producers aint goni go n spend money on turntables to get a scratch sound when you can donwload one *click* there ya go

ur mixing a producer with the person that makes music, the producer is the.

And ur television comparison makes no sense, since the producer still needs a musician or a sample to use, somebody has to make that sample, if u wanna get with the times, hire a person that plays the trumpet and use the funk vibe. All in this era, it does not matter. Wen a beat becomes pops and snares its not hip hop anymore. As for turntables, u cant replace an authentic scratch, with a sample. rediculous.

ok about drawings, the Producers are still needing the orginal sound..same thing ?

what?

i wasnt twisting i was meaning by people aint goni get guys with the instruments together to make a beat when the can make it on a PC or other machines alot faster

do u even like music at all? u seem to be too caried away with the concept of having computer sounds instead of live instruments. Have u ever listened to The Roots? A producer NEEDS a musician, no matter wat he works on, a computer or just live, its just how it is, somebody needs to be there to make the noise. music doesnt appear out of nowhere on computer harddrives.

well we are syaing the same thing about the turntables not coming out, i give respect to the guys who keep it in, but if it comes out it is still hip hop to me as long as the people are rythming complex and not doin no clubanger stuff

clubangers in this generation are rubbish exactly because they switch from live instruments to cheesy half ass music that really sint music.

well i understand what your syaing, but again the ryhming to me is a bigger part, if a guy if doin nursery ryhmes over scratching i aint calling it hip hop, i suppose it about a balance

So run dmc, not rhyming complex wast hip hop? Beastie boys rhyming edgy wasnt real hip hop? or better yet good hip hop? Biz markie with his turntables wasnt good rap and hip hop?

Its about concept, u can spit a gozzilion rhymes and it aint mean shit, in the end its about sound. You can push the rhyme to a limit but the limit ends somewere, otherwise if u want to read rhymes, start reading poetry.







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Ohh and i guess i am a bit biased towards funk, because i heartily love what is original hip hop and i wanna keep it as it is ... original. But im also open to a new genre being morphed, but the mood needs to be set accordingly with a musical approach(that was basically what the thread was about)

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

actually i never did like run dmc or bestie boys, and i aint saying there werent hip hop, your missing my point

what your syaing is to be a real producer you need to hire people to play the insturments get the turn tables to make the scratch noise..if you dont you aint a real producer ?

i dont think like that n it aint goni change, wether using pre set samples of the music it is the producers mind that makes the order rythm the beat everyhting, so the guy is still making hip hop beats wether they are funk or not

nothing stays the same for ever so funk and everything obv dies out, and the new machines stop the authentic scratching and shit, but the soul of it is still the same if you look in the right Places...

thats all im saying, coz your touching on completely different stuff and making up points against me that i never stated



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just read your edit and we aint goni agree on nothing coz we have different views on it completely, agree to disagree

see were are all the poeple moaning about no discussions now ?

[AspirinE]

actually i never did like run dmc or bestie boys, and i aint saying there werent hip hop, your missing my point

ur loss.

what your syaing is to be a real producer you need to hire people to play the insturments get the turn tables to make the scratch noise..if you dont you aint a real producer ?

if a producer can play notes - and make a musical aproach to wat hes constructing not just a pattern, then thats a real producer.

i dont think like that n it aint goni change, wether using pre set samples of the music it is the producers mind that makes the order rythm the beat everyhting, so the guy is still making hip hop beats wether they are funk or not

which part of "sombody has to play notes to make music" do u not understand?

nothing stays the same for ever so funk and everything obv dies out, and the new machines stop the authentic scratching and shit, but the soul of it is still the same if you look in the right Places...

the right places are the musical approach, the Funk influenced hip hop was a more musical approach.

machines dont make music, people make music.

[Boston]

sadly, hip hop is a whole different thing now a days

i didnt read the whole thing, but i got the idea of this topic from replies..

i rather listen to hip hop..it'll be more deeper with emotion.

[Curious]

I agree with u asp, guess we have the same nostalgic feel towards the funk element, i constantly mourn the loss of what i think u called the "musical element" and which, at least for me, comprises an undeniable part of what hip hop is - rhymes aren't hip hop, hip hop is sound and funk was crucial to that.

That doesn't mean I don't love rap, it just means it's a completely different genre, but I think it has changed for the worse too after it's become more mainstream and mediocre artists get so much attention from mainstream fans who fail to realise what hip hop and rap is really all about.

[shady6]

i dont think about stuff like this too much. i just listen to the music and either love it or leave it...

[HAYZI]

fuck readin all that!! i read the first few posts and then realised it kept on goin and goin....