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Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic album?

Postby EM1973 » Dec 4th, '10, 21:32

Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic album?
All overhyped especially Wayne and Kanye.
But when we speak about the greatest albums of all time have they any classic album?
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby slimsoxshady » Dec 4th, '10, 21:49

my personal classics:
Carter 3
Paper Trail
Graduation

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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby Audi » Dec 4th, '10, 22:44

Objectively Kanye & T.I. have. I personally think T.I.>Kanye and Kanye is a way better producer. Just listen to The Cool by Lupe.

I can't speak for Wayne, I never really listened to his albums a lot.
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby Satire » Dec 4th, '10, 22:54

Kanye first two-three albums were really good. I'd consider his first two classics in my book, I'm not sure if their names come up in the GREATEST ALBUMS OF ALL TIME discussion but they'd be somewhere in my top 25. T.I's Paper Trail was also great for a mainstream CD but probably not classic, same case with Wayne's Carter II (Imo, Wayne's best album).
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby Robbie G » Dec 4th, '10, 22:57

I think some of Kanye's early albums could be considered classics. If for nothing more than the amazing production.
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby imhavingarelapse » Dec 4th, '10, 23:23

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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby LilWayne4Life » Dec 4th, '10, 23:39

Kanye Has two classic's IMO - Graduation & Late registration
Wayne has one soild classic - Tha Carter 2, almost classic - C3
T.i Doesn't have any classic's but Paper Trail is close to one.
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby gladimnotsoluble » Dec 4th, '10, 23:39

College Dropout...Graduation...MBDTF are any of these NOT classic?

Between the carter ii and iii, there's one if not two classic albums there.
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Dec 5th, '10, 00:12

kanye has graduation and MBDTF.

Wayne never will have a classic

T.I does not have a classic yet.
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby DanWS » Dec 5th, '10, 01:07

Kanye has at least 2 by my reckoning.
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby EM1973 » Dec 5th, '10, 04:20

If any of them want to be one day in the discussion with the Greatests of all time(names like Eminem,Rakim,Nas,Biggie,Jay-Z,Tupac,Big Daddy Kane LL Cool J) must have classic albums.
At this point in my opinion only Kanye has one classic album.

I never understand how some people consider Lil Wayne Best Rapper alive when most of greats are still alive except some names like Tupac and Biggie.The greatest for many people is still alive.Eminem is alive.
Rakim is alive,Nas,Jay-Z alive.LL Cool J alive........

I know Weezy has a lot of haters but he has also millions of fans and this is good for him.But to consider him the best or in the Top-10 ever he needs classic albums.
Carter II or Carter III aren't arguably classics.
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby Satire » Dec 5th, '10, 04:49

EM1973 wrote:I never understand how some people consider Lil Wayne Best Rapper alive when most of the greats are still alive.


Because most of the people who actually believe this don't listen to "The Greats".
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby Fa-Q » Dec 5th, '10, 05:01

Lil Wayne - No
Kanye West - My Beautiful Twisted Dark Fantasy and Graduation
TI - No....but King and Paper Trail are close
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby dead prez » Dec 16th, '10, 22:36

EM1973 wrote:If any of them want to be one day in the discussion with the Greatests of all time(names like Eminem,Rakim,Nas,Biggie,Jay-Z,Tupac,Big Daddy Kane LL Cool J) must have classic albums.


They never will be, well maybe Kanye will but not rapper wise but as a whole package
At this point in my opinion only Kanye has one classic album.


First off what defines a "Classic" too many people just throw that word around for any album they think is good, there's a difference between personal classics and "classics" personal classics would be Hell on Earth, Doe or Die, LOPD, etc. And classics that revoltuonized the game or are just have amazing replay value The Chronic, illmatic, R2D, Enter the 36 chambers, etc. That said I do put College Dropout in the same tier as sslp, so I guess you can say it is.

I never understand how some people consider Lil Wayne Best Rapper alive when most of greats are still alive except some names like Tupac and Biggie.The greatest for many people is still alive.Eminem is alive.
Rakim is alive,Nas,Jay-Z alive.LL Cool J alive........


One would be ignorance, and two guys like Rakim fell the fuck off and hasn't been relevant in since forever, even Em and Nas are no longer in their primes( personally I actually think Nas' latter three albums are better than his Stillmatic, God's Son and Lost Tapes).

It was also obviously just to gain attention, but I do believe he was the "hottest" mainstream rapper at the time. And arguably the hardest working with all the mixtapes and features he was in, he waas building enormous hype.

I know Weezy has a lot of haters but he has also millions of fans and this is good for him.But to consider him the best or in the Top-10 ever he needs classic albums.
Carter II or Carter III aren't arguably classics.


Carter II is only a personal classic and carter III is garbage, and spawned the Lollipop wayne.
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Re: Objectively have Lil Wayne,Kanye West,T.I any classic al

Postby shadyboymez » Dec 17th, '10, 03:26

what is a classic?

people like to call an album "classic" after it's been released for a month, but to me it takes a lot more for an album to be a true classic

a quick definition of a classic album (in my own words) = an album that truly passes the test of time while influencing other artists, and changing the genre along the way


Lil Wayne = No
T.I. = No

Kanye West = yes: College Dropout is a classic album, Late Registration is a classic album, Graduation is a near perfect hip-hop album, but i would not consider it a classic, 808's may be looked upon as a classic in the future, though it never got that kind of credit upon its release, MBDTF it is too soon to tell, but i think it will go down as being overrated, though it does contain pieces of Kanye's best work
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