If Big L was never murdered

[dead prez]

This is my second speculation thread, but we all like speculation threads amirite? Anyways of all the deceased mcess no one has the most mystique behind them other than Big L; Pac, Biggie, Pun were already famous and at the height of their careers when they died (well maybe not Pun), whether or not they would have fell off shortly after is another. Big L however was also getting better and was, and was supposedly signed by Jay a week before he died.

Which poses the question how would Big L have turned out if he stayed alive, even his peers blew up and had some time in the spotlight, Camron, Mase (COTC), and to a lesser extent Fat Joe (DITC). So many people like to speculate whether he would be Jay's status and would have blown up before him, but I just don't see it. He didn't have Jay's ability to appeal to the mainstream while still being witty, he was one dimensional in that regard. And not to sound like an asshole, but I honestly believe him being murdered cemented his legacy as one of the goats which helped rise among the DITC ranks. Whether he would be struggling to make ends meet and still be underground (Lord Finesse, OC, Buckwild) or have elevated to stardom (Jay z, Camron, Fat Joe) is what really intrigues me.

So what's your take on this?

[Mahmoud48]

he was going to become mainstream before he died
but before he could even do that he got shot sadly
i do believe if he was still alive he would be amazing
imagine a song with him and eminem
there style is more the same then different if u see there albums
i wish we could have seen how he was going to turn out
he is the most underrated legend

[juelz21]

big l was already considered one of the best lyricst around before he passed away he already had a underground buzz to the point jay-z wanted to sign him and his rap crew called the wolf pack so he was well on his way to becoming a superstar.

[dead prez]

big l was already considered one of the best lyricst around before he passed away he already had a underground buzz to the point jay-z wanted to sign him and his rap crew called the wolf pack so he was well on his way to becoming a superstar.

What group is that, and what other members are in it?

I like Big L, but I honestly believe LOPD was only considered a classic after he passed so many other classic albums that year. When you think of 1995 you think of OB4CL, The Infamous, Doe or Die, Liquid Swords, Return of the 36 Chambers, and so many other classics. Great album far from a classic imo.

[Master Chief]

big l was already considered one of the best lyricst around before he passed away he already had a underground buzz to the point jay-z wanted to sign him and his rap crew called the wolf pack so he was well on his way to becoming a superstar.

What group is that, and what other members are in it?

I like Big L, but I honestly believe LOPD was only considered a classic after he passed so many other classic albums that year. When you think of 1995 you think of OB4CL, The Infamous, Doe or Die, Liquid Swords, Return of the 36 Chambers, and so many other classics. Great album far from a classic imo.

I think that's normal. Remember when Relapse was hated by 40% of his fans? Yeah, well now it seems that his core fanbase puts it over Recovery, praising it and saying "I actually like the accent".

As time goes by, you might actually like and appreciate the album more

[juelz21]

big l was already considered one of the best lyricst around before he passed away he already had a underground buzz to the point jay-z wanted to sign him and his rap crew called the wolf pack so he was well on his way to becoming a superstar.

What group is that, and what other members are in it?

I like Big L, but I honestly believe LOPD was only considered a classic after he passed so many other classic albums that year. When you think of 1995 you think of OB4CL, The Infamous, Doe or Die, Liquid Swords, Return of the 36 Chambers, and so many other classics. Great album far from a classic imo.

return of the 36 chambers did'nt come out in 1995 it came out 1993 but anyways big l life stylez of the poor and dangerous was a classic album in my eyes and as as lyrically he had complex rhyme patterns metaphors wordplay he was a good song writer and had a good flow and out of the people u mention that had classic album in 1995 the infamous doe or die only bulit 4 cuban linx the infamous and liquid swords the only person that was on his level lyrically was az everybody else he could rap circles around them lyrically and as far as the group wolfpack goes it consited of big l mcgruff and c town and jay-z wanted to sign him to rocafella.

[dead prez]

I think that's normal. Remember when Relapse was hated by 40% of his fans? Yeah, well now it seems that his core fanbase puts it over Recovery, praising it and saying "I actually like the accent".

As time goes by, you might actually like and appreciate the album more

I know what you mean, it happens a lot over time albums not that off as classic might become one. And while that maybe true, I honestly believe this was placed among the albums I listed because of everyone sacred cowing Big L. I've listened to the album a shit ton and enjoyed quite a few tracks (Devil's son, Dangerzone, Da Graveyard), but it felt like a very well put together mixtape. There was no general theme to the album and most of it was wordplay, when he did try to tell stories and switch over like Eminem it wasn't pretty. Another problem I had was the beats, I felt they were very repetitive and could have had much better considering he was affiliated with the likes of Diamond D and Buckwild.

Still he had some of the rawest lines and Devil's son was amazing.


But I ain't the type to fuss
I just snipe and bust
Click clack another nigga bites the dust

still gets me.

[dead prez]

return of the 36 chambers did'nt come out in 1995 it came out 1993 but anyways big l life stylez of the poor and dangerous was a classic album in my eyes and as as lyrically he had complex rhyme patterns metaphors wordplay he was a good song writer and had a good flow and out of the people u mention that had classic album in 1995 the infamous doe or die only bulit 4 cuban linx the infamous and liquid swords the only person that was on his level lyrically was az everybody else he could rap circles around them lyrically and as far as the group wolfpack goes it consited of big l mcgruff and c town and jay-z wanted to sign him to rocafella.

Return of the 36 chambers came out in 1995
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_ ... ty_Version

You're thinking of Enter the Wu

As far as him rapping circles around everyone, I don't want to get into that argument but Prodigy's prime was in 1996, in 1995 he was far from impressive lyrically. Other members of the Wu are definitely on his level, or at least were.

[juelz21]

return of the 36 chambers did'nt come out in 1995 it came out 1993 but anyways big l life stylez of the poor and dangerous was a classic album in my eyes and as as lyrically he had complex rhyme patterns metaphors wordplay he was a good song writer and had a good flow and out of the people u mention that had classic album in 1995 the infamous doe or die only bulit 4 cuban linx the infamous and liquid swords the only person that was on his level lyrically was az everybody else he could rap circles around them lyrically and as far as the group wolfpack goes it consited of big l mcgruff and c town and jay-z wanted to sign him to rocafella.

Return of the 36 chambers came out in 1995
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_ ... ty_Version

You're thinking of Enter the Wu

As far as him rapping circles around everyone, I don't want to get into that argument but Prodigy's prime was in 1996, in 1995 he was far from impressive lyrically. Other members of the Wu are definitely on his level, or at least were.

likewise i mean the fact u think prodigy was even in the same breath of big l lyrically tells me all i need to know and as far as him being overrated because he is dead does'nt make any sense to me because they are alot dead mc's who people don't even have in their top 10 so i just killed your agrument

[Master Chief]

return of the 36 chambers did'nt come out in 1995 it came out 1993 but anyways big l life stylez of the poor and dangerous was a classic album in my eyes and as as lyrically he had complex rhyme patterns metaphors wordplay he was a good song writer and had a good flow and out of the people u mention that had classic album in 1995 the infamous doe or die only bulit 4 cuban linx the infamous and liquid swords the only person that was on his level lyrically was az everybody else he could rap circles around them lyrically and as far as the group wolfpack goes it consited of big l mcgruff and c town and jay-z wanted to sign him to rocafella.

Return of the 36 chambers came out in 1995
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_ ... ty_Version

You're thinking of Enter the Wu

As far as him rapping circles around everyone, I don't want to get into that argument but Prodigy's prime was in 1996, in 1995 he was far from impressive lyrically. Other members of the Wu are definitely on his level, or at least were.

likewise i mean the fact u think prodigy was even in the same breath of big l lyrically tells me all i need to know and as far as him being overrated because he is dead does'nt make any sense to me because they are alot dead mc's who people don't even have in their top 10 so i just killed your agrument

God, you're such an obnoxious asshole.

[dead prez]

likewise i mean the fact u think prodigy was even in the same breath of big l lyrically tells me all i need to know

Do you really want to go there? One I never said The Infamous was better than LOPD because of his rapping skill, and two it wasn't his lyrics that make people revere him. I mean he had some sick lines but it was his voice and delivery, he's one of the most sampled rappers of all time after all.

And two yes, Prodigy on Hell on Earth especially when he's in a zone can hang with Big L if not outright outshine him. His 2nd verse on Hell on Earth, Nighttime Vultures, among others. And I know you're going to cite multies as to why Big L is the better mc, so it's not even worth arguing about.

and as far as him being overrated because he is dead does'nt make any sense to me because they are alot dead mc's who people don't even have in their top 10 so i just killed your agrument

Well no shit, maybe because they straight sucked or they didn't die in their prime?

Big L was supposedly going to be signed by Jay he had a limitless potential, but that was robbed from him. People like to sacred cow those that die on their prime, Pac and Big are obvious choices. I'm not saying he's terrible but you have to be straight naive to believe that Big L would have the same cult status that he has now if he was still alive and didn't blow.

[juelz21]

at master chief shut the fukk up u flaming homosexual

[juelz21]

first of all i never said u said infamous was better then lopd u the one that mention classic albums and thinks lopd does'nt belong in the converstation but anyways prodigy was never on big l level lyrically and the fact u think im gonna mention multi's proves u are a ignorant fukk big l did'nt have anything to prove lyrically he already proved he had lyrically skill i mean jay-z himself felt big l was talented and felt he was worth spending money on him sign him and as far as pac and biggie go they did'nt have anything to prove they sold records was respected by everybody lyrically but that's irrelevant so with all that said your agrument has more holes in it then a cheese cheese grater so i pretty just killed this thread.

[Mahmoud48]

^ classtheking

[Master Chief]

at master chief shut the fukk up u flaming homosexual

LOL ok, class.

And if you're not class and you are really this much of a childish idiot then you should hang yourself.