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Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby DrRapid » Sep 13th, '09, 10:42

This dude on Yahoo Answers posted a crazy question on how he could possibly convince you that Lil Wayne's The Carter 3 is better than Nas's Illmatic. Crazy. It's so funny how people get to think this way.

Could I possibly convince you that Tha Carter 3 is better than Illmatic?

I remember Mechanical (who is the top answerer of this section) once saying that, "The only way an opinion can be bad is if it has a bad explanation". I'm not sure if I agree with him or not, but let me test it out.

Reasons why Tha Carter 3 > Illmatic

1. Impact. Illmatic wasn't very noticed when it first came out, and it didn't really change hip-hop in any way. It wasn't accepted as an influential classic until years later. Tha Carter 3 was popular right off the bat and it sold way more than Illmatic in its first week, as well as taking the Grammy for Best Rap Album of the year.

2. Creativity. When Nas debuted in 94, he was spitting the exact same thing as the majority of rappers were at the time, and he didn't do it in a creative way either. Tha Carter 3 takes a different approach, and mixes rap with pop, which is something that rappers are usually afraid to do. Wayne refused to be bound by cliches, and the results are outastanding. There isn't one song on Illmatic as creative or unique as "Dr. Carter" or "Phone Home"

3. Innovation. Tha Carter 3 is innovative because before this album no other rapper was putting out songs like Lollipop. Wayne was actually the one who made autotune-sex tracks popular in the first place, which changed the whole genre. Every song in Illmatic is based off of NY street life. Nas certainly wasn't the first rapper to talk about this. But Wayne was the one who popularized the whole movement in his genre.

Now the question is, do you agree with me on these points? Why or why not? And is my opinion valid, or does this mean i don't know anything about hip-hop? Explain as much as you want.

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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby AnalKiddo » Sep 13th, '09, 10:55

look at the comments lol, 99% disagreed..
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But your either getting lazy or you don't believe in you no more
Seems like your own opinions, not one you can form
Cant make a decision you keep questioning yourself
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby Wic Kid » Sep 13th, '09, 11:07

Guys, Im tellin you. People are just dumb...
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby Emadyville » Sep 13th, '09, 14:15

interesting find :y:

the carter 3 :n:
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby SJB-Shady » Sep 13th, '09, 16:19

first off rap is RAP, its all about the best bars spat over the best beats, autotune is wack aswel as lil wayne his lyrics are nothing compared to people like nas eminem or pac so fuck him for thinking he is as good as them carter 3 was fucking wack just a bunch of 13 year old girls buying that shit for the lollipop song sent it plat
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby Solace » Sep 13th, '09, 16:51

SacJB got banned again, or name change?
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby slimsoxshady » Sep 13th, '09, 16:56

I agree with the yahoo dude
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby yoshi » Sep 13th, '09, 17:05

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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby ,-,'-{Bar}-',-, » Sep 13th, '09, 17:06

*to be un-bias here im goin to try not put in my personal opinion just facts and yes ill destroy this half-wit*

auto-tune = t-pain made it work, regardless of topic, t-pain gets all credit for the auto-tune movement, anyone who then copied t-pain is nothing but a mirror image of taking a style that he has defined and puting it into there own style to make it more relevent to the present time in hip hop. remember auto tune is a program, not a rhyme scheme, or a flow, a computer based voice enhancing program...


sex sells = lil kim ? 50 cent ? or wait for it, 2 live crew, who basically got there music banned for it being to "sex orientated" but that shit blew the fuck up when they came out with it, if my memory serves they were the first to do a whole song dedicated to sex and it was at a time rap wasnt like this, they paved the way for rappers not to be scared to go all out on the sex topic, and then lil kim is the one who went right into detail, 50 cent with candy shop basically took that to the male level. so lil wayne's "lollipop" was nothing but a guy doin a song about sex witch was done millions of times before and using auto-tune on it witch was done a milion times before, this is not creative or unique this is just someone using guimmicks.


now for impact, the impact carter 3 had on hip hop is no were near the level of illmatic, illmatic made a small earthquake when it dropped that no one felt, but then the aftershock of it was massive, when it finally got discovered it changed hip hop, this album will forever be remembered, not just for what it did for nas but what it did for hip hop, every rapper has heard this album, every rapper has gained inspiration from this album, there is truth in that this wasnt "new" but it perfected something that all rappers were trying to do, it has un-known feats a small tracklist and somehow is will always be mentioned a one of the greatest albums off all time.

tha carter 3 had a big impact because not alot of rappers were breaking 1 mil at the time and this album did this, but lets look at it, relapse has did this ? so has t.i, the speed of how wayne did it was impressive but sales can be fixed and manipulated. the impact the music had on the album was no were near the impact the songs on illmatic have had, "the test of time" will prove this so no point in speaking of it now, tell me one song off tha carter 3 that will still be as popular as "ny state of mind" in ten years time ? none. simple as that.

now for creativity, well this is alongside lyrical shit, wayne has "creative" and "different" beats ill give you that but thats credit to the producer not wayne, a millie, phone home these beats were very different to anything else, but illmatics rapping is what made it creative, the wordplay metaphors rhymes, no one had put that much lyrical pressence in an album before while staying on topic, rappers to this day strive to be able to spit a verse as versatile and creative and ny state of mind, his flows on that album are remarkable, and his choice of beats and concepts makes the album play-able from end to end without being bored, think what you want a creative or different concepts is a valid point but when the rapping over it is soley on proving its different then its not that good, as in if you get a good hip hop beat and then make it creative yourself with your rhymes flows and overal talent is when the rapper gets the "creative" credit.


just a few words, eminem takes normal concepts and raps then so well they sound mind blowing.


mobb deeps took something a concept as simple as shook ones and made it a classic through how the approached it with there rapping.

wayne takes a creative idea and soley lies on this different beat style to make it seem creativly great but really it isnt, its handed to him on a plate and he goes along with it, give wayne a normal beat and tell him to rap and it comes out like 200 of his other songs that sound the exact same with the exactsame style flow and rhyme schemne.
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby mcZu » Sep 13th, '09, 17:11

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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby SajN » Sep 13th, '09, 17:48

Solace wrote:SacJB got banned again, or name change?

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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby macdaddy019967 » Sep 13th, '09, 17:51

wow people are dumb as hell :smoking:
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby Relapse.LP » Sep 13th, '09, 17:58

There's many levels of rap albums in the game.

At the very top of the pyramid are the defining classics: Illmatic included.

Then, there are the should-have-been classics but good nonetheless: It Was Written included.

Then, there are the slightly above average albums but don't amaze: I Am... included.

Then, there are the mediocre to not-very-good albums: Nastradamus included.

Then, there are the bad albums because there is lots of filler: Tha Carter III included.

Notice how I'm using Nas's albums to compare against Lil Wayne's "classic."
Yo, from the first to the last of it; delivery is passionate/
The whole and not the half of it; vocab and not the math of it/
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby slimsoxshady » Sep 13th, '09, 18:00

haters need to phone home
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Re: Yahoo Answers: Convince you,Carter 3 is better than Illmatic

Postby Drama Setter » Sep 13th, '09, 18:10

Carter 3 sucks , wtf
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