The real reason underground rappers are underground

[Willy]

Why do you think multies are so important?

Bob Dylan has his simple one word end rhyme folk songs studied at universities for their poetic language. If they were posted here, they would get shot down ---> WHERE R MUTLIZ ???

Sure, different genres. But you are missing the big picture. That kind of poetic language can still be used in rap.

Now, I'm not saying they aren't important, I want to know what's their role? It seems like a lot of you think in order for a rap to be good it must have multies. You can convey emotion without multies, you can provide thought compelling pieces of art without multies. Why do you place such an emphasis on them.

Art shouldn't be calculated I don't think. Syllable counting should not determine a better piece.

[dead prez]

lol my bad I don't know how to quote each response but w/e

- I agree but what do you mean dumb down? Has Em dumbed down? Certainly not on Relapse.

The music industry ten years ago and now are a lot of different when you had retarded one hit wonder snap music running the radio. And he has a ton of singles that appeal to the mainstream while still being skilled somewhat. Oh and Crack a Bottle was horrible

Has Nas dumbed down, not much.

From illmatic to IWW hell yeah, and Nastradamus was a complete flop sellout failure album.

You can put all the multi's or w/e else you want but I'd rather hear a song that's better structured and better music-wise. Nothing worse than using a bunch of multi-syllabic words just for the sake of it.

I already know which is why I prefer guys like Pac, Prodigy, Oc etc. over guys that just shove in multies and punchlines while having zero substance.

- I'm not saying sells i'm saying most people would agree they make better music in general.

Easier to get into and less effort involved in listening to thier music maybe, but better that's all subjective.

- As far as the good music thing it is what it is. It's all opinion but i've seen people argue from both sides and it looks like their just defending underground or defending mainstream where i'm not gonna do that because i'm a fan of both.

Good cause I'm the same.

[classthe_king]

Why do you think multies are so important?

Bob Dylan has his simple one word end rhyme folk songs studied at universities for their poetic language. If they were posted here, they would get shot down ---> WHERE R MUTLIZ ???

Sure, different genres. But you are missing the big picture. That kind of poetic language can still be used in rap.

Now, I'm not saying they aren't important, I want to know what's their role? It seems like a lot of you think in order for a rap to be good it must have multies. You can convey emotion without multies, you can provide thought compelling pieces of art without multies. Why do you place such an emphasis on them.

Art shouldn't be calculated I don't think. Syllable counting should not determine a better piece.

Mutlis show your skills as a rapper. Yeah, you can make a good verse with emotion without using multis. But if you can make a good verse with emotion and multis than you're better than the rapper who can't use multis.

[dead prez]

Multies are just one form of technicalities, personally I'd rather take extended metaphors, alliteration, double entendres, allusions, to just better song writing over multies. And no multies don't make a better rapper that's very faulty logic.

[classthe_king]

Multies are just one form of technicalities, personally I'd rather take extended metaphors, alliteration, double entendres, allusions, to just better song writing over multies. And no multies don't make a better rapper that's very faulty logic.

Yeah but wouldn't you rather have extended metaphors, alliteration, double entendres, allusions AND multis?

[dead prez]

Show me one rapper that combines all into on verse without reaching and having all equally. Let's not neglect mic performance as well such as emotion delivery and flow. And make sure the verse has a deep meaning and isn't just a braggadacio verse.

[classthe_king]

I win



If you need the lyrics

I write in long hand a short-term memory
Hopeless romantic, coarse word tendencies
Right now I don't want to wake up
Or try to forget when the storm first entered me
Lately I've felt self destructive
Self-inflicted, self help the cuts with
Shell-shocked, Hell's bells and trumpets
Self-taught to tell tales in public
Of this life, same shit but different day
I write it down, same shit in different ways
Fight it now, break fists against the cage
Until I climb on that slave ship and drift away
My blood boils (in cups) the sun spoils (abrupt)
And unloyal (with love) so come toil (with us)
The sun freezes (and cuts) in some seasons (and plus)
Its untreated (so trust) I'm done bleeding
In a place where I can be and touch all of the things I see
To find my peace and I can breathe with nobody looking back at me
I'll just take a breath and place my bets but never deal
'Til I face my death with a game of chess like Seventh Seal
I'll still fight the stepdads and memories
Scream Zion 'til deaf dance to melodies
Deadpanned with setbacks and jealousy
Until heaven expands the hell in me
Acquired conscious competence of all of my accomplishments
And conquered constant comments that contradicted my confidence
Common compliments were called upon to con me in
Accosted consonant comments that condescended all my common sense
Where I'm from, no one stays alive
You just die by the sword, a shogun's frame of mind
Walk with the rest like its Dawn of the Dead
And drink from the blood that the open veins provide
My raps are like a novel with clever style and prose
I'm Edgar Allan Poe, the Casque of Amontillado
Enter catacombs 'til clever palindromes
And letters that I wrote can capture the god Apollo

Hear the secret stammers time'll tell
I rebel, they teach me manners with Bible-belt
Schtick, psychedelic, dreams of banter
Scenes of candor I embellish
Like a zombie that eats through tissue
Until I find a heart with a beat to spit to
If its not in the meat I sift through
I'll write it a capella on the piece I bit through
I'm savage, and its near the dead of night
Wait 'til the sun paints an iridescent sky
To head the deadened cries
Of an old boy given no choice but to fear the present time

Take the reigns, I'm sick and tired of the practice
Of burnin' bridges, I lit the fire with a matchstick
Return the image to where I'm at, because thinking back
I've been sinking fast, and tripping wires where the sands quick
Across plains with bloody palms and jaw pains
Hiding from God's grace in fright like its Pompeii
And always, I'll just stay on the lost road
While you study crucifixes painted with barcodes
And this time, I'll just try my luck
Surrounded by these masks like it's eyes wired shut
And I might jump ship or I flip like it's my live bus
So I try trust with how it was or how it is when
Frowns insist sounds of love amount to this
Too proud to kiss so I sewed my lips shut
So love drowned within the open wrist cuts
At first its just a ride to live fast
Until I felt the bruises inside from whiplash
A purpose, I'll try to get that
Until I fall from grace and I die on impact
And intact was a single broken locket
With the ocean on its rustic chain and face that no one wanted
I'm growing nauseous from a world that never stops
When my center's lost hope in the ghost that haunted Pentecost
I stand in graveyards and dance to take charge
Of concepts of death that I have to base on
Even when my bones crack I'll pace on
Through the epitaphs that my pasts engraved on
Laugh and stay strong, embrace the day
'Til it fades away with this mask I paint on

She's probably just a bitch thats casting all the shadows
Laughing at my battles and following a trend
Searching for an angel at the bottom of a fifth
But my hands stay empty, I swallow it again
Its the loss of leaves that autumn brings
That show me these limbs are far from wings
I'm far from happy, you're far from peace
I'll fall from grace and you'll fall for me
And awkwardly I'll just change the posture
'Til the aches and pains rearrange the monsters

[dead prez]

They're still not equal he focuses more on lyricism rather than delivery, and still sounds rather generic. Now I know going to peg me for that, but yeah some rappers focus more on delviery, some lyrics, some flow, while others try to round them off equally but won't be as good flow wise as one that focuses more on that than lyricisim.

[classthe_king]

NO ONE is going to be perfectly equal and amazing in every single category

This song is a perfect 10/10 and you know it.

This song as a perfect flow, a great heartfelt delivery, amazing multis, extended metaphors, alliteration, double entendres, allusions and it has a deep meaning with no bragging whatsoever.

I would like you to find a song that has all of that except multis.

[dead prez]

I'm not going to front, yes the lyrics were impressive both on surface and with metaphors but he still needs to improve his delviery cause there's a lot of other artists with great lyrics but sound the same.

[classthe_king]

I love his delivery.

[dead prez]

In case you're wondering what I consider excellent delivery here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j70w-I5Utx8

Second verse which starts at 1:43 has amazing delivery but the whole song has great delivery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnWc41O ... re=related

[classthe_king]

I don't see any difference.

Sadistik is much more heartfelt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3UNV9zCfs

[SlimShadyX313X]

people bash all u want, but if u wanna know the truth, here's the truth:

Underground stay underground, as most of them do not want to sell their soul for fortune and fame which is the only way to get big in the inudstry and be a puppet for the Illuminati, pac tried to escape they killed him (or he faked his death and went to Cuba where all runaways go). Why did he add the name Killuminati in his last album? COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT

dont spam like this bruh!

lello u mad son

[dead prez]

I guess the part where it just crosses over into subjectiveness and personal preference, personally I love how his voice which compliments the beat and his flow is impeccable, I'm not going to front that the other guy's a much better lyricist though. The other guy's delivery isn't bad by any means he still needs to distinguish himself.