There are more good white rappers than black

[Satire]

Honestly MC you'd have a much higher chance of victory if you became Dead Prez and started debating with the flow/delivery category. It's easy to make an argument that flow is as important as lyrics.

I already said his flow and delivery were better

Exactly, so using that as support as to why Tech N9ne is better is easier than pushing your luck and trying to edge him out in lyricism too.

[classthe_king]

No it's not because everyone knows quality > quantity

[ThomasJ]

Those 2 Tonedeff verses have average rhymes?

[Master Chief]

No it's not because everyone knows quality > quantity

The Tech verses aren't poor quality multis either. They're pretty average.

Honestly MC you'd have a much higher chance of victory if you became Dead Prez and started debating with the flow/delivery category. It's easy to make an argument that flow is as important as lyrics.

I already said his flow and delivery were better

Exactly, so using that as support as to why Tech N9ne is better is easier than pushing your luck and trying to edge him out in lyricism too.

This argument turned into multis before I could argue anything else.

[classthe_king]

But Sadistik doesn't have poor quantity, he actually has good quantity


@TJ, yes

[ThomasJ]

How so?

[classthe_king]

Those rhymes are actually good after reading through them, better than Tech N9ne, but not better than Sadistik

[Block]

No, I'm saying there is an obvious reason why they aren't well known, and its because of their lack of charisma, and the fact they take themselves too seriously, as I said how many albums released by white emcees would be on any publications best of list? THOSE are facts, not you claiming white underground is where the talented rappers are coming from, these guys won't be remembered, and underground music is extremely stale these days compared to Def Jux/Rhymesayers/Rawkus's glory days

BTW, where have I said white rappers aren't talented? All I'm saying is that its obvious the are more "great" black rappers than whites, regardless of your opinion - Jesus its plain to see

Your entire argument is that because they are mainstream they are better. Because they will be "remembered by the masses" they are better? Mc Hammer is remembered, is he better? Soulja boi will be remembered, is he better? Lil flip, lil bowow, all the "lil" clones will be remembered in one way or another because they were on TV or had major deals; are they better?

If you don't understand the term "Per-capita" don't try to argue (apart from your argument being a ridiculous attempt to say that because they are mainstream they're somehow more talented).

I'm going to make up a few numbers which obviously aren't the exact numbers.


25,000 black rappers
1,000 white rappers

500 of the white rappers are DOPE AS FUCK.
5,000 of the black rappers are DOPE AS FUCK.

Because of the fact half of the white rappers are dope and only 1/5th of the black rappers are, per-capita, more white rappers are dope than blacks. Get what I'm saying? I'm not saying that "WHITE RAPPERS ARE BETTER!! UNDERGROUND YO!!" That's ridiculous. I'm saying that based purely on a volume:talent ratio, whites heavily outweigh blacks in the talent department. And mainstream has absolutely nothing to do with it. Eminem had to change his entire image to sell in the mainstream. There's an astounding amount of talent that will never go mainstream simply because they don't have the look. Those are facts.

You have to admit that 99% of what is played on the radio (which is predominantly black) is shit.

Are you actually reading what I'm typing? I said there are more famous black rappers than white because they have more charisma and don't themselves anywhere near as seriously in their music, where have I said mainstream rappers are more talented because they're famous? Where have I wrote this?

You said its a FACT ,that white rappers make higher quality music than black rapppers, this whole "per capita" shit wasn't in the post I originally quoted, as you can see from my first post in this thread, whether or not you edited your post or not I don't know, but it wasn't present when I quoted it

Ok, I'm obviously wasting my time here, but for the 3rd time how many albums released by white rappers would be on any "best of" lists? Even look up "best underground rap albums" or whatever, 90% of said lists are DOMINATED by black artists. So again, where are these so called facts? Also, how the hell do you come to the conclusion that 1 in every two white rappers are dope as fuck? Thats an OPINION not a fact, which was my whole point in the first place - can you back up the claims you made in the post I first quoted?

I really can't be bothered to respond to this in any form of a serious manner. They "Lack charisma"? Are you fucking retarded? Have you EVER seen a live performance by Atmosphere, Grieves, Brother Ali, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock or anyone of that nature? They're amazing.

You're coming up with bullshit and claiming it as an authoritative statement. You should be kicked in the dick and made to wear a diaper for your stupidity.

[Manly Moose]

So are Biggie's.

Yeah but at least Biggie had a good delivery and flow so it's enjoyable to listen to him.

It's blasphemy to say Andre doesn't have good delivery or flow. Not to mention their production is 5x more original than Biggie's.

Plus Biggie's voice/delivery is just fucking retarded. Who wants to listen to some fat bitch with a lisp?

Biggies production > both Chronics

[Satire]

Biggies production > both Chronics

Meh.

[Manly Moose]

Biggies production > both Chronics

Meh.

greh

[dead prez]

Haha you're actually mad over an internet forum? Hahahaha cool mayne.

Yes I was at the time, and lol at you thinking I give a shit about looking cool in an internet forum.

Show me one stupid thing I said here, all I did was ask Class to list as many good white rappers as black. He's delusional, he can't back up anything he says. I never even mentioned the talent ratios or anything like that, it was all these morons who turned this into Black vs. White which isn't at all what this thread was for.

I'm not defending class at all btw, me and him have a lot of conflicting opinions, but to make a thread to prove a certain member wrong, because they made a statement that you disagree with epitomizes butthurt.

[FreeSpeech]

I'm not defending class at all btw, me and him have a lot of conflicting opinions, but to make a thread to prove a certain member wrong, because they made a statement that you disagree with epitomizes butthurt.

I wanted to see him reason with me over what he said, and I didn't want to hijack the other thread. Big deal.

And it's funny how you hop on me here, when he explicitly stated that Pac, Rakim, and Outkast aren't good at all.

[Satire]

He said Outkast aren't good at all.

It's okay though, because after my blatant and violent domination over him I'm sure Jared has since then changed his mind.

[dead prez]

Hop on you? No I'm just saying that making this thread was ridiculously stupid, but being the pseudo Kanye you are, you decided to spark some controversy so, good job I guess.

As far his statements, I really don't give a shit honestly, me and him debated more than enough times, when I first joined.