Joe Budden vs. 2Pac

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I think this is a special thread, not just for pure hilarity and delusion but because if i ever need a thread to point to to show just how out of touch of 'Hip Hop reality' a predominantly European Eminem fansite is i know right were to link to . Keep it up guys.

Well I'm American. But, idk about everyone else.

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Let's make you look foolish once again.

Nah, riding around the "hood" isn't really a hobby of mine, but if my family reunions, friends and school count, I fairly know what i'm talking about. Idiot.

You 'fairly know what you're talking about'? Yet you turn around and call me an 'idiot' in the same paragraph.. Oh, the irony. *dramatic back-hand to forehead-faint*

No, you have no idea what you're talking about, child.

Ignoring the fact that somehow in your mind black people automatically = hood....

It's an all-too-real stereotype that proves true 99% of the time. Yes, the majority of people who live in the projects / ghettos are black. Are you going to try to argue that, as well? It was never stated that black = hood. More like hood = black (by majority). Fact.

Considering the fact you said, and I quote, "Jay Z is the only one on that list with a large black fanbase." My argument about being in the hood stands true. If I hear Eminem almost everywhere I go, (considering I work in a lot of ghetto neighborhoods), I'd say that he has a lot of black fans. So no, Jay Z isn't the only artist on that list with a large black fanbase.

-If a rapper is at least somewhat popular outside of their local community (Royce and Budden), it's practically a sure bet the majority of their fanbase is white (or at least non-black).

What does this have to do with a large black fanbase? You never said the majority. You stated, as an absolute fact, that Jay Z is the only one on that list with a large black fanbase. The word majority (or any synonym for that word) was never used. Even if it were, I'd argue that you'd be wrong. Sure, the majority of Eminem's fans may be white (if we're going to go there and completely change the argument); but Royce and Budden? Are you for real?

Whites far outnumber Blacks and buy more hiphop anyway.

what does this have to do with anything in this argument? This is the second time, in only 3 quotes, that you've gone off-topic and rambled, nonsensically, about some bullshit...
The ratio of white to black has no barring on whether or not an artist has a large fanbase of race #1, just because he/she has more fans (purely by numbers) in race #2. One race's populous is not directly related to another's. If we were talking per capita, black's far out-number whites, in America, when listening to hip hop. And considering you said the ONLY one with a large black fanbase is Jay z, I rest my case.

Your statement was very broad and contains far too many faults and cracks. Try again.

-If you really think Eminem doesn't have mostly white fans, LOL.

You know that dude in the Wizard Of OZ that wanted a brain... Yeah, I'mma call it.

No one said any of the artists listed had a majority of black or white fans. What was disputed was the fact you said 'large black fanbase', not 'majority'. Nice try. Perhaps you should seek out what that character in Oz was looking for... You're lacking.

-Tech's fans are KNOWN for being mostly white. He references that fact a lot.

Tech is arguable

3-0 FreeSpeech

Your attempt to be a condescending piece of shit failed. Miserably. Not only that, but by making this little gesture at the end of your post, you've ultimately made yourself look like a complete fucktard after I broke down everything you attempted to argue, and disproved your false logic.

3-0? Your debating skills are mediocre at best. Your attention to detail is completely lacking; as is your reading comprehension. Your childish vernacular, coupled with an almost savant-like inability to stay on-topic, in combination with your pretentious (almost too self-absorbed) posting style, make you an easy target.


but umm.. Better luck next time, champ.

[FreeSpeech]

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Haha ooookkkkkk.

-By "fairly know what I'm talking about" when it comes to black people, I'm black pal, so my family/friends/surroundings kinda give me a bit of insight.
-I never argued that most people in the ghetto (of places like NY at least) are black. That isn't what i said. I said most black people aren't ghetto. Big difference that you don't seem to get. Oh well.
-You said they had a 90% black fanbase, so yes you were talking proportions and not total numbers. I gaurantee not one of the dudes you listed has over a 50% black fanbase, but that is really so trivial I don't know why I'm arguing. I don't care if a rapper's fan base is 73% Eskimos.

Your debating skills are mediocre at best. Your attention to detail is completely lacking; as is your reading comprehension. Your childish vernacular, coupled with an almost savant-like inability to stay on-topic, in combination with your pretentious (almost too self-absorbed) posting style, make you an easy target.

LOL. I like when people are like "oh shit, uhhh.. lemme throw in some 'big' words" when they have nothing left to contribute, the writing style switch is so obvious. I'm really not debating you dude simply because the level of fuck I could give is so low, but cool. The whole "debate" atmosphere here honestly bores the hell out of me, everyone plays semantics and flips out.

You win buddy. Black people DO make up most of their fans. Poor lil FreeSpeech don't know what he's saying. If you want, I'll screenshot this and email it to ya so you can post it on your fridge. Night buddy

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Haha ooookkkkkk.

-By "fairly know what I'm talking about" when it comes to black people, I'm black pal, so my family/friends/surroundings kinda give me a bit of insight.
-I never argued that most people in the ghetto (of places like NY at least) are black. That isn't what i said. I said most black people aren't ghetto. Big difference that you don't seem to get. Oh well.
-You said they had a 90% black fanbase, so yes you were talking proportions and not total numbers. I gaurantee not one of the dudes you listed has over a 50% black fanbase, but that is really so trivial I don't know why I'm arguing. I don't care if a rapper's fan base is 73% Eskimos.

Your debating skills are mediocre at best. Your attention to detail is completely lacking; as is your reading comprehension. Your childish vernacular, coupled with an almost savant-like inability to stay on-topic, in combination with your pretentious (almost too self-absorbed) posting style, make you an easy target.

LOL. I like when people are like "oh shit, uhhh.. lemme throw in some 'big' words" when they have nothing left to contribute, the writing style switch is so obvious. I'm really not debating you dude simply because the level of fuck I could give is so low, but cool. The whole "debate" atmosphere here honestly bores the hell out of me, everyone plays semantics and flips out.

You win buddy. Black people DO make up most of their fans. Poor lil FreeSpeech don't know what he's saying. If you want, I'll screenshot this and email it to ya so you can post it on your fridge. Night buddy

> not-so-witty sarcasm because I totally annihilated your attempt at an argument.

I know I won. I didn't need your input on that matter.

One thing I'll address, though: "Add 'big' words"? You can read through any of my posts and, if I'm not on my phone, I type--and speak--with a rather distinct and large vernacular. Your argument about 'big words' ( ) screams, "I concede!!!!!!!"

Then again, doesn't the coin have 2 sides? How about, "Hey I just got my ass handed to me by Block, so I'll do what I'm most-known for (!!); Pretend I don't care what is being said (because, let's face it--I lost--I obviously don't care enough to argue about it.. Oh, wait.. OOPS); Add in a little sarcasm telling him that he won (everyone knows that if I TELL YOU that you won, that means I really think i won.. REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY! FUCK YEAH!); Dismiss the opposition's entire argument, due to the fact that I have no rebuttal at all; Belittle everyone around me and pretend I never wanted to argue in the first place.


Yeah.. Just, yeah.. You fucking moron.

[FreeSpeech]

> not-so-witty sarcasm because I totally annihilated your attempt at an argument.

I know I won. I didn't need your input on that matter.

One thing I'll address, though: "Add 'big' words"? You can read through any of my posts and, if I'm not on my phone, I type--and speak--with a rather distinct and large vernacular. Your argument about 'big words' ( ) screams, "I concede!!!!!!!"

Then again, doesn't the coin have 2 sides? How about, "Hey I just got my ass handed to me by Block, so I'll do what I'm most-known for (!!); Pretend I don't care what is being said (because, let's face it--I lost--I obviously don't care enough to argue about it.. Oh, wait.. OOPS); Add in a little sarcasm telling him that he won (everyone knows that if I TELL YOU that you won, that means I really think i won.. REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY! FUCK YEAH!); Belittle everyone around me and pretend I never wanted to argue in the first place.


Yeah.. Just, yeah.. You fucking moron.

[Block]

Thank you for proving my point.

[FreeSpeech]

Thank you for proving my point.

You're welcome. You can once again retire to your bed as Block: King of the Internet and Keeper of the 90% Negro Fan Ratio. Job well done sir. Well done.

[Block]

You're welcome. You can once again retire to your bed as Block: King of the Internet and Keeper of the 90% Negro Fan Ratio. Job well done sir. Well done.

Or I can fall asleep with a smile on my face, knowing that I virtually pimp slapped the condescension off your ashy lil face--while you simultaneously (and frivolously) type up even more not-so-witty sarcasm-riddled posts, in an attempt to save face.


I love winning on the internet. Yes, it does bring joy. Especially knocking little self-important retards, like yourself, down a notch.

[FreeSpeech]

I love winning on the internet.

To get this thread somewhat back on track...

Can't C Me/Ambitionz Az A Ridah/Only God Can Judge Me >>>>>>> Any Budden song ever made.

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I love winning on the internet.

To get this thread somewhat back on track...

Can't C Me/Ambitionz Az A Ridah/Only God Can Judge Me >>>>>>> Any Budden song ever made.

Thread.

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I love winning on the internet.

To get this thread somewhat back on track...

Can't C Me/Ambitionz Az A Ridah/Only God Can Judge Me >>>>>>> Any Budden song ever made.

exxes / dumb out / in my sleep

Nice try. You can't even win in a song vs song, how the fuck are you going to win a debate?

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For a second I though you were directing that at me. Anyways I hate to step into this debate, but trying to prove that certain albums are more warmly received by others or is considered a classic by "the general Hip Hop community" is just stupid and a waste of time in general, as it usually devolves into biased samples, half truths, worthless anecdotes, etc. And really who cares what the majority think that's bordering on Appeal to Popularity, I know the debate might call for it, but the whole premise that you two are arguing is just stupid in general.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Joe Budden > Pac

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[DanWS]

Fans recognize my misery uplifted me
Shifted me to my epitome, guess the curse is a gift to me
Maybe its serendipity, maybe it’s weighing on me physically
Maybe I should man up and tell God not to solicit me
Been medicated, meditated, sedated, hated
Character assassinated, all theses years I masqueraded
Hard headed, if it was on my mind I had to say it
Tongue on the devil’s pitchfork to see how disaster tasted
Rap is fabricated, rappers are so exaggerated
Wouldn’t be scared of the truth if they weren’t castrated
Grab a mag, spray it, surrounded by people that’s suitable for me
That’ll unconditionally love my beautiful ugly
Now let me speak to who I cater to
Would you love me the same if all my weeks were not favorable
Promise to maintain being unique but relatable
All while suffering from a disease that can do away with you
Poetry on the beat, spoken-word for the masses
Therapy over pro-tools, every word is on acid
Consonants are on Kush, every vowel is blunted
Highly wanted, this whole organization privately funded
This is bigger than the Eiffel, this is alert the public
Had the coppers by our tunnels and our bridges with the rifle
Sentences meant to stifle, this is a man aching
This is the dam breaking, contraband in the making
This is panic unveiling, got potential but I never met it
He be trying to come over, it seem like God won’t let it
Either he never got my invite or he just dismissed it
But if all I’m hearing are “Sounds of Blackness”, why am I pessimistic?
You’ll never progress if you never try
All I ask, let every word I birth, never die
My wings spread, but when I’m at the sky
Weather didn’t change like I thought and had me petrified

> Anything Tupac ever wrote/rapped.

[DanWS]

Maybe if it was a bunch of internet writers writing in a forum, but this is Audio .. there's a lot of important shit other than lyrics.

lol, that's why I made sure I wrote "> anything Tupac ever wrote/rapped" - because I knew people arguing that Tupac is the better artist would have a hard time coming up with anything better on a purely technical level so they'd say "well what about delivery, flow" etc. I'll go listen to the verses you pasted now and let you know what I think in a bit.