Joe Budden Vs. Arsonal

[ThomasAguanis]

when it comes to an actual battle Ars may be better.... but when it comes to written battle tracks, joey kills him.

I doubt it makes a difference. I don't think Joe would have a problem performing a live battle.

@ @ "Pat Stay would have bigger chances against Joe". Maybe just as big of a chance Fresco or Kid Twist would.


EDIT: almost forgot, Joe said he is responding. The track looks to be called "Winterized".

[Dmann]

That Canibus stan in here is retarded....
Joe will shit on both Ars and Canibus on a diss record, If you are not aware of Joey's diss track capabilities listen to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvOHWYbIYTE

Budden has made much more $ than Canibus by mixtapes and touring. Who the fuck would attend a Canibus concert? I don't even need to mention his gold album, several indie albums, and Shady money. Before Budden was even signed to Shady he was selling out Time Square without a song or video on the air.

[mcZu]

I can't wait to hear Joey's repsonse. Ars' diss wasn't bad, I lol'd at the male Kat Stacks line and the Slaughterhouse/Meat line, lol.

[UzaKING]

Because your opinion is wrong. Yes, you offend me. Your entire fucking aura offends me. Your opinions are annoying and wrong.

Who gets that mad over a little debate? Chill the fuck out you jackass.

[Block]

Because your opinion is wrong. Yes, you offend me. Your entire fucking aura offends me. Your opinions are annoying and wrong.

Who gets that mad over a little debate? Chill the fuck out you jackass.

I notice you've resorted to nit-picking and only responding to one statement. Coincidently that statement has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Unable to refute my breakdown of your outrageous claims? Concession? Concession.

Mad? No. The fact your ridiculously absurd opinions offend (using your word, not mine) me, does not mean I'm mad. It means your opinions are garbage and you lack hip hop knowledge. Therefore, anyone with a shred of knowledge on this subject would find your opinion offensive.

The fact of the matter is Canibus is irrelevant. Canibus, no matter how you try to put it, has never and will never sell as much as Joey. Let alone Joey and Royce <<< Which is an irrelevant argument to begin with. Who the fuck cares who sells more? Why did you even bring that up?

Canibus can't hold a candle to Joey. MAYBE 98-03 'Bus, but not this washed up faggot.

Fuck outta here.

[dead prez]

Canibus can't hold a candle to Joey. MAYBE 98-03 'Bus, but not this washed up faggot.

At least you acknowledged he was somewhat decent at one point in his career, though even I, a former Bis fan acknowledges how horrible his current music is. After he joined the army his voice was grating and he started rapping about Extra terrestials, techno sorcery, the govt and all that other shit. He should have stuck to killing features, lol.

[UzaKING]

I have anger issues

But why does it matter who's more relevant? You came in and said Canibus was begging for attention from some relevant rappers. Which isn't the case because he didn't even start the beef.
And I wouldn't even call Slaughterhouse relevant. What did all of their last solo albums sale? under 10k first week for all of them. The only thing "relevant" about them is they're signed to shady records. They cant and wont sell shit without Eminem. No lyrical rappers sell in todays market.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style. Everyone wants catchy hooks and banging beats. Which Canibus doesn't deliver, hes said multiple times he wants people to focus on the lyrics. So how is that trying to be mainstream? He sold over 200k first week on one of his albums back when lyrical rap was "relevant". But its not anymore and Canibus is still lyrical which means he isn't trying to become mainstream at all.

So I want to ask you this, Do you think relevance = skill?

[Block]

Why is it that every time some insufferable, internet-tryhard gets slapped around in cyberspace, their first reaction is to respond with, "LOL U MAD!@!@@!!??" I think I have the answer: You clearly cannot articulate a coherent rebuttal. Nothing that you've typed after my breakdown of your tasteless and uninformed post has even been on-topic, let alone valid.

I have anger issues

But why does it matter who's more relevant?

You really just asked that? It matters because nobody cares about 'bus anymore. NOBODY. Joey has a name and a huge fanbase. Canibus has.. DZK?

You came in and said Canibus was begging for attention from some relevant rappers. Which isn't the case because he didn't even start the beef.

Canibus is holding on to any form of relevance that he can muster. Dissing Eminem AGAIN after almost a decade? Really? Open your eyes, you ignorant fuck.

And I wouldn't even call Slaughterhouse relevant. What did all of their last solo albums sale? under 10k first week for all of them.

Yeah, slaughterhouse isn't relevant.. They're only signed with Shady Records, have a huge fanbase and have 4 of the most lyrical rappers out today. That's surely irrelevant. Also, Joey's last album sold 15k first week. The first SH album sold 18k it's first week. That's great for underground. His (Joey's) mixtapes sell more than Canibus's last album.. Go figure. Yeah, irrelevant.

The only thing "relevant" about them is they're signed to shady records. They cant and wont sell shit without Eminem. No lyrical rappers sell in todays market.

I just proved you wrong up above this.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

No fucking shit. Really? People don't wanna hear some old fucker sounding like he's got a cock in his mouth, screaming over an out-dated instrumental about aliens, Jupiter and the apocalypse? You just ethered your entire argument with that statement.

Everyone wants catchy hooks and banging beats. Which Canibus doesn't deliver,

Hooks. Hooks = Catchy. Hook = to HOOK someone in. A hook is supposed to get stuck in the person's head. That's the point of it. Canibus doesn't deliver; really? Of course!

hes said multiple times he wants people to focus on the lyrics.

How can you focus on lyrics when everything about him is out-dated and his he has a voice for silent film?

So how is that trying to be mainstream?

For someone who so valiently defends 'bus's on honor, you know absolutely nothing about him. Canibus spent his entire career trying to get another deal after being dropped. Dumb fuck. IF you're going to argue with me, atleast have some knowledge about the subject.

He sold over 200k first week on one of his albums back when lyrical rap was "relevant".

Joey went gold on Def Jam. What's your point?

But its not anymore and Canibus is still lyrical which means he isn't trying to become mainstream at all.

How does the fact he didn't change styles = he hasn't been trying to go mainstream his entire career? You fucking idiot. One does not equal two.

So I want to ask you this, Do you think relevance = skill?

If NOBODY wants to hear it (including most underground heads) does it = skill?

Joey is skilled. SH are all skilled. Joey destroyed this shit. Bus can't touch Joey. Period.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

[UzaKING]

Why is it that every time some insufferable, internet-tryhard gets slapped around in cyberspace, their first reaction is to respond with, "LOL U MAD!@!@@!!??" I think I have the answer: You clearly cannot articulate a coherent rebuttal. Nothing that you've typed after my breakdown of your tasteless and uninformed post has even been on-topic, let alone valid.

I have anger issues

But why does it matter who's more relevant?

You really just asked that? It matters because nobody cares about 'bus anymore. NOBODY. Joey has a name and a huge fanbase. Canibus has.. DZK?

You came in and said Canibus was begging for attention from some relevant rappers. Which isn't the case because he didn't even start the beef.

Canibus is holding on to any form of relevance that he can muster. Dissing Eminem AGAIN after almost a decade? Really? Open your eyes, you ignorant fuck.

And I wouldn't even call Slaughterhouse relevant. What did all of their last solo albums sale? under 10k first week for all of them.

Yeah, slaughterhouse isn't relevant.. They're only signed with Shady Records, have a huge fanbase and have 4 of the most lyrical rappers out today. That's surely irrelevant. Also, Joey's last album sold 15k first week. The first SH album sold 18k it's first week. That's great for underground. His (Joey's) mixtapes sell more than Canibus's last album.. Go figure. Yeah, irrelevant.

The only thing "relevant" about them is they're signed to shady records. They cant and wont sell shit without Eminem. No lyrical rappers sell in todays market.

I just proved you wrong up above this.

Canibus' isn't relevant because people don't like his style.

No fucking shit. Really? People don't wanna hear some old fucker sounding like he's got a cock in his mouth, screaming over an out-dated instrumental about aliens, Jupiter and the apocalypse? You just ethered your entire argument with that statement.

Everyone wants catchy hooks and banging beats. Which Canibus doesn't deliver,

Hooks. Hooks = Catchy. Hook = to HOOK someone in. A hook is supposed to get stuck in the person's head. That's the point of it. Canibus doesn't deliver; really? Of course!

hes said multiple times he wants people to focus on the lyrics.

How can you focus on lyrics when everything about him is out-dated and his he has a voice for silent film?

So how is that trying to be mainstream?

For someone who so valiently defends 'bus's on honor, you know absolutely nothing about him. Canibus spent his entire career trying to get another deal after being dropped. Dumb fuck. IF you're going to argue with me, atleast have some knowledge about the subject.

He sold over 200k first week on one of his albums back when lyrical rap was "relevant".

Joey went gold on Def Jam. What's your point?

But its not anymore and Canibus is still lyrical which means he isn't trying to become mainstream at all.

How does the fact he didn't change styles = he hasn't been trying to go mainstream his entire career? You fucking idiot. One does not equal two.

So I want to ask you this, Do you think relevance = skill?

If NOBODY wants to hear it (including most underground heads) does it = skill?

Joey is skilled. SH are all skilled. Joey destroyed this shit. Bus can't touch Joey. Period.

You've got too much time on your hands. I really don't know what point you are trying to make here..
Ok so SH is more relevant than Canibus? And im actually a fan of both, I was just stating earlier that I didn't think Canibus' diss was his full potential. Then you said Canibus was trying to get attention from relevant rappers when Royce is the one who started the whole thing. So all I said was how is Canibus trying to become relevant by defending his name? Isn't that what someone is supposed to do?

[NicoleEM]

Why did this turn out into a Joe vs Bis argue?There's a thread for that lol.
Arsonal was pretty good tho...that Joe Budden..button line was meh tho lol...Looking forward for Joe's answer tho i still think they should just ignore these shots taken at them.It will only make them(Ars/Bis etc) more famous lol

[Block]

You've got too much time on your hands.

Yeah, because taking 5 minutes out of my day for each response to your nonsensical ramblings is a LOT of time.

I really don't know what point you are trying to make here..

I've made a plethora of points. Pick one. Anything you've said, I've refuted and proven to be faulty. Your choice. Here's a few examples of the points I've made:

Really and how long has Joe been relevant? A few months?

since 07, with "The album before the album" Joey has been in the spotlight. MM1, MM2, MM3?? Relevant for only a few months? LOL.

Without Em both of them would be in the same boat as Canibus

Joey was signed to Amelgom digital and reportedly made a 90k (I believe?) advance off his padded room album. When is the last time Canibus made 90k for ANYTHING?

And I wouldn't even call Slaughterhouse relevant. What did all of their last solo albums sale? under 10k first week for all of them.

Yeah, slaughterhouse isn't relevant.. They're only signed with Shady Records, have a huge fanbase and have 4 of the most lyrical rappers out today. That's surely irrelevant. Also, Joey's last album sold 15k first week. The first SH album sold 18k it's first week. That's great for underground. His (Joey's) mixtapes sell more than Canibus's last album.. Go figure. Yeah, irrelevant.

^^^ Those are just a few of the points I've made that have proven your entire argument to be invalid. Suck a dick now, yeah?

Ok so SH is more relevant than Canibus?

Good job, genius.

And im actually a fan of both,

Good for you. Canibus sucks.

I was just stating earlier that I didn't think Canibus' diss was his full potential. Then you said Canibus was trying to get attention from relevant rappers when Royce is the one who started the whole thing.

This entire part of your post isn't relevant to anything.

So all I said was how is Canibus trying to become relevant by defending his name? Isn't that what someone is supposed to do?

That's not 'all you said'. You even said this yourself:

It seems to me that Canibus is obviously begging for a response from them.

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Yes, even you can see that he's begging. That's not the question, though. The question is 'why?' Why? Well, because he has become increasingly irrelevant. Nobody cares about him (Canibus) so he needs a beef to attempt to make himself relevant again.

And yes, Canibus DID start the beef. He's been on Em's dick since that stan lives shit. Canibus has been begging to be relevant for fucking years. The fact that you don't see that isn't anyone's problem but yours.

[UzaKING]

This whole argument came from you saying Canibus was the one who started this beef. I was simply saying he didn't. And how does the Eminem and Canibus beef have anything to do with this one? He responded to Royce and Budden after they were talking shit on twitter. It has nothing to do with Eminem.

And when I said it seems like Canibus is begging for a response I meant it seems like he released a semi-weak diss on purpose so Joey would underestimate him and take the bait

[Block]

he released a semi-weak diss

So you just admitted canibus's diss was weak. Good, we're making progress.

And the eminem beef coincides with this one. Canibus hasn't dropped that, proving once again that he's trying to grasp on to shred of a relevant artist's name.

Canibus is not relevant. He sucks.

[classthe_king]

If DZK got involved it would be all over...

[WakeUpShow]

Until Royce and Em join Mouse's side.