“I think me, Kendrick, and Drake need to stop acting like

[sbolli1]

The day Drake is considered a legend is the day I stop listening to hip-hop altogether.

I can appreciate confidence, but Cole's getting a little too cocky for my liking. Unless his album is out of this world, he's going to come off as a douche.

Although he's already done that by thinking Drake can reach the same level as Nas and Jay

[Just Silver]

The day Drake is considered a legend is the day I stop listening to hip-hop altogether.

I can appreciate confidence, but Cole's getting a little too cocky for my liking. Unless his album is out of this world, he's going to come off as a douche.

Although he's already done that by thinking Drake can reach the same level as Nas and Jay

[EminemBase]

“I think me, Kendrick, and Drake need to stop acting like no one can do better than Jay, Ye, or Nas, We’ve got to step up to that plate as the new legends.” ~ J. Cole

http://highbrowhiphop.com/j-cole-sits-d ... es-part-2/

Let's not turn this thread into a Cole-Kendrick-Drake Circle Jerk but he spoke the truth here, how is Jay-Z still a goat when he fell off a long time ago ?

Most of the veterans fell off a long time ago, Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Game, Snoop, Lil Wayne to name a few.

J Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Big Krit, Drake, Yelawolf,... it's a new era

I agree with him... you'll never surpass the past if you always deem it untouchable.

In response to you @ dark111 though... not that I'm even the biggest Jay fan but, if someone become a GOAT... they're a goat period, it's not about what they're recently put out... even if he has 'fell off', he doesn't suddenly not become who he was... the material which made people put him in the GOAT category was still made, by him.

It's about what you do and have done at your best.

[CrashBand]

It's about what you do and have done at your best.

Do you not think any consistency has to come into it?

Could a rapper put out one small great album out and be considered the GOAT?

[EminemBase]

It's about what you do and have done at your best.

Do you not think any consistency has to come into it?

Could a rapper put out one small great album out and be considered the GOAT?

Yeah sure @ a rapper could do that.

And no I don't think consistency comes in to it.

I think Tyson is the greatest heavyweight ever for example... he doesn''t have the greatest record, and isn't the most consistent: but all his circumstantial shit, falling out of shape, falling out of love with the spot etc... those are different conversations to me: it's not 'who has the best record', it's who - when at their best is the GREATEST aka the best in every direction or overpowering and undeniably brilliant above all others.

Em could have put out MMLP and 5 Encore's... he'd still be GOAT to me due to the MMLP. It's about what that artist is capable of, what they've done that qualifies them for that title, not how consistently great they are, that's a different discussion.

[CrashBand]

Yeah, if Usain Bolt ran only one race at 9 seconds, he'd still be the FOAT.

Lol, obvious point is obvious.

Only problem is the differences of people tastes when coming to a final decision. Consistency is such a commonly used red herring though.

[EminemBase]

Yeah, if Usain Bolt ran only one race at 9 seconds, he'd still be the FOAT.

Lol, obvious point is obvious.

Only problem is the differences of people tastes when coming to a final decision. Consistency is such a commonly used red herring though.

Yeah exactly...

And... well that's a discussion for 'who has the most consistent catalogue', but I don't personally include that factor in whether somebody is the greatest or not.

I just take them and all rappers at their respective greatest, and pit them against each other for how I decide, which seems the most logical... compared to trying to determine consistency of output which doesn't even signify greatness necessarily... I mean, consistency and greatness don't always go hand-in-hand, it's a sign of character but... meh, different discussion.

And yeah it's weak when people do that.

Doesn't matter, it's like... if X artist creates an album we all agree is the GOAT masterpiece of the genre... even if that artist puts out dog shit for the next 20 years... unless someone else creates something you consider greater, how is he not still the greatest? He is the creator of what you all consider the greatest piece of art in that genre. That to me, is the greatest.

The auteur of the greatest, is the Greatest. Consistency ain't relevant yo.

[eXceL]

I think cole meant popularity wise, I can see that happening

[SliK]

I think cole meant popularity wise, I can see that happening

Drake and Kendrick are already more popular than Nas and Jay have ever been.

Drake has more #1s than any other artist in Hip-Hop.

[EminemBase]

I think cole meant popularity wise, I can see that happening

Drake and Kendrick are already more popular than Nas and Jay have ever been.

Drake has more #1s than any other artist in Hip-Hop.

It's more accurate to class him as RnB though.

[JamaicanPattlez]

Here's the thing.. I doubt Nas sat down while writing Illmatic and went "I gotta make a classic, how the fuck am I gon' manage that?" He just made music that he loved and focused on that and did his best on. I highly doubt people who make classic albums focus on the fact that they have to be classic. Sure, they must know that they created something amazing, but that's because of what THEY liked. And I hate how Hip Hop fans will say nobody will ever come close to Jay-Z, Eminem, Nas and etc. The next generation's meant to surpass the old, what would be the point in passing the torch if nobody's supposedly worthy enough? If you're a rapper, I believe that you should aim for the top no matter what, while also not focusing on trying to become a bigger legend than the GOATs. It's not some unreachable goal people tend to see it as. Very difficult? Yes, but again... Make great music that's nearly flawless in every way and never half-ass your work and I bet you'll get closer.

[dark111]

Difference between Cole and the legends he mentioned, their first albums are classics, while J. Cole's was a disappointment. Kendrick is the only one who can become a legend.

That's why I respect kendrick so much, his album is acclaimed and praised but he remains humble through it all.
J. Cole might be able to redeem himself with Born Sinner tbh

[SliK]

I think cole meant popularity wise, I can see that happening

Drake and Kendrick are already more popular than Nas and Jay have ever been.

Drake has more #1s than any other artist in Hip-Hop.

You really think Kendrick Lamar is as popular as Jay-Z? Everyone knows who Jay-Z is. Kendrick lamar isnt even close to as popular.

Nobody knows who Jay-Z is outside of America, unless you are invlovled in Hip-Hop circles.
Nobody I know could name even 1 Jay-Z song. Kendrick is everywhere these days though, even in Australia, which is pretty rare. Drake is just huge, much bigger than Hov - no doubt.

[EminemBase]

Nobody knows who Jay-Z is outside of America, unless you are invlovled in Hip-Hop circles.
Nobody I know could name even 1 Jay-Z song. Kendrick is everywhere these days though, even in Australia, which is pretty rare. Drake is just huge, much bigger than Hov - no doubt.

I wouldn't quite agree @ the Jay-Z thing.

I think that used to be more true... but, generally speaking... I mean, I have friends who are in to heavy metal; they know who Jay-Z is lol... America makes people and things famous so even if people aren't in to him, they very much know who he is.

Pretty much anybody in our generation who at all listens to music across most of the world knows who he is, but yeah he's certainly not like, as liked or popular as someone like Em who crosses genres, who many of my rock friends love for example.

Kendrick definitely ain't bigger than Jay-Z yet though, not even close.

[JamaicanPattlez]

Here's the thing.. I doubt Nas sat down while writing Illmatic and went "I gotta make a classic, how the fuck am I gon' manage that?" He just made music that he loved and focused on that and did his best on. I highly doubt people who make classic albums focus on the fact that they have to be classic. Sure, they must know that they created something amazing, but that's because of what THEY liked. And I hate how Hip Hop fans will say nobody will ever come close to Jay-Z, Eminem, Nas and etc. The next generation's meant to surpass the old, what would be the point in passing the torch if nobody's supposedly worthy enough? If you're a rapper, I believe that you should aim for the top no matter what, while also not focusing on trying to become a bigger legend than the GOATs. It's not some unreachable goal people tend to see it as. Very difficult? Yes, but again... Make great music that's nearly flawless in every way and never half-ass your work and I bet you'll get closer.

I'm sure there will be some GOATS and legends in the future, but no one is ever gonna be able to surpass Eminem.

It's really hard to say tbh. At first glance, I'd agree but when you look at the late 90s, Pac and Big were just murdered and then Em walked in on the scene and raised hell and nobody saw it coming. The next Legend'll have to either pioneer something, be amazing and dangerous RIGHT at the jump, or touch topics and ideas nobody else would touch in a unique way.