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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 21st, '13, 18:08

classthe_king wrote:Because 95% of rhymes in rap are slant rhymes. I don't think of it as a slant rhyme I just think of it as a rhyme. Slant rhyming is more for poetry when people rhyme perfectly more often than not.


so slant rhyming is just like perfect rhyming expect that with slant rhymes the consonants don't have to be exactly the same is that correct ?
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby classthe_king » Oct 21st, '13, 18:16

Slant rhyming is when the vowels or the consonants match but not both. Night and bike are technically slant rhymes but no one is going to specify that it's a slant rhyme. It's just a rhyme.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby Spyder » Oct 21st, '13, 18:27

classthe_king wrote:Because 95% of rhymes in rap are slant rhymes. I don't think of it as a slant rhyme I just think of it as a rhyme. Slant rhyming is more for poetry when people rhyme perfectly more often than not.


this

i had a discussion with my friend on saying Columbine rhymed with homicide. hes like uhhhh no.
i was like... how does it not.



but to answer OP. in text its much more essential, if you do well in audio you can get away with it, but for the most part i'd try to match syllable count.
and as far as slant rhyming, in rap id say thats more of what Em does in Relapse, just totally butcher a word to make it work lol
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 21st, '13, 18:29

classthe_king wrote:Slant rhyming is when the vowels or the consonants match but not both. Night and bike are technically slant rhymes but no one is going to specify that it's a slant rhyme. It's just a rhyme.


so basically u just rhyme the syllable sound

so would this be a multisyllable slant rhyme

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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby classthe_king » Oct 21st, '13, 18:30

Technically, yes.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 21st, '13, 18:39

Menzo wrote:I got into an argument with a girl over "bean" and "dream" rhyming.


that rhymes it is not perfect rhyme like bean jean or dream cream

but it works because it has that long e sound
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 21st, '13, 18:40

Spyder wrote:
classthe_king wrote:Because 95% of rhymes in rap are slant rhymes. I don't think of it as a slant rhyme I just think of it as a rhyme. Slant rhyming is more for poetry when people rhyme perfectly more often than not.


this

i had a discussion with my friend on saying Columbine rhymed with homicide. hes like uhhhh no.
i was like... how does it not.



but to answer OP. in text its much more essential, if you do well in audio you can get away with it, but for the most part i'd try to match syllable count.
and as far as slant rhyming, in rap id say thats more of what Em does in Relapse, just totally butcher a word to make it work lol


that would be bending a word i think that is the term for what u are describing
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby Spyder » Oct 21st, '13, 20:24

Well yeah. But Em on relapse gets a little silly with it
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 21st, '13, 20:56

Spyder wrote:Well yeah. But Em on relapse gets a little silly with it


i mean lyrically eminem wrecked it but he forced alot of rhymes that sounded unnatural.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 21st, '13, 21:28

ive made my verdict that multis don't have to match in syllable in terms of the number of syllables u spit

1 they must obviously rhyme and match but they don't have to rhyme perfectly u can slant rhyme
2. not be the same word
3. and the rhyme scheme can't be some simple aaaa rhyme scheme
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby CrashBand » Oct 21st, '13, 22:08

You're trying to align the syllables, but some words/phrases don't call for it.

But if you are no going to match the syllables, you'll have to be experienced at flowing, as you are changing the flow, or flowing a non-rhyming word with the usual rhyming word.

Slug does it quite a bit, but I don't remember where he does it, I'd have to search through his lyrics.

"..........relax and chill
At a standstill with how bad I feel"

"If I could I would keep this feeling in a plastic jar
Bust it out whenever someone's actin hard
Settle down, barbeque in the backyard
The kids get treats and old folks get classic cars"

MF Doom

"Borderline schizo, sort of fine tits though
Pour the wine, whore to grind, quarter to nine, let's go"


Sometimes it's also stuffing syllables in, like that last example. Em's done that a few times, especially since his comeback.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 21st, '13, 22:40

CrashBand wrote:You're trying to align the syllables, but some words/phrases don't call for it.

But if you are no going to match the syllables, you'll have to be experienced at flowing, as you are changing the flow, or flowing a non-rhyming word with the usual rhyming word.

Slug does it quite a bit, but I don't remember where he does it, I'd have to search through his lyrics.

"..........relax and chill
At a standstill with how bad I feel"

"If I could I would keep this feeling in a plastic jar
Bust it out whenever someone's actin hard
Settle down, barbeque in the backyard
The kids get treats and old folks get classic cars"

MF Doom

"Borderline schizo, sort of fine tits though
Pour the wine, whore to grind, quarter to nine, let's go"


Sometimes it's also stuffing syllables in, like that last example. Em's done that a few times, especially since his comeback.


well u still rhyming no matter how the mc strcutures the syllable count in terms of matching it.

because if im understanding what u saying u might as well not even go over 3 or 4 syllables in terms of rhyming because u don't want the multisyllable rhyme to be long in terms of number of syllables. and matching syllable counts in you rhyme scheme doesn't help u make grammatical sense
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 23rd, '13, 21:11

also do u have to rhyme line after line with multis in order for it to be a multi
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby CrashBand » Oct 24th, '13, 02:08

No, rappers change up their schemes. In it's most simple form it's line after line
(the A being a multi and the B being a different one)
.......A
.......A
.......B
.......B


But you can add internals, so they don't necessarily need to be at the end of a line
A.....A
A.....A

eg.
Minimum wage got my adrenaline caged
Full of venom and rage, especially when I'm engaged


Then there's a slightly more complex scheme

A....B
B....A

eg.
Inhale the Glock smell, while I'm ripping your wallet off
And slipping a Molotov in your Cocktail

eg.
R to the A, we brandish knives
Where the handles twice as sharp as the blade

With that scheme, you don't necessarily need the internal multis to make it work

A.......
.......A

eg.
I smoke a fat pound of grass and fall on my ass
Faster than a fat bitch who sat down too fast

eg.
So how do you describe someone, with a decapitated head
When the rest of his body's still alive running?

Here's another scheme (virtually rhyming the majority of the line)

here's a
........B
A......B
A......B
A......B

Not knowing we really just protecting ourselves
We entertainers, of course the shit's affecting our sales
You ignoramus but music is reflection of self
We just explain it, and then we get our checks in the mail

Here's a very complex rhyme scheme going on in The Anthem

Pull a nine out during a rhyme bout
While I'm rippin' this shit, put a clip in it, spit five rounds
And murder you hoes worse than a convertible flipping vertical
Nose-first with the top off landing up-side down

..A........A
..B...B....A
C..D..C...C
D..........A

As shown there, it doesn't have to the be the line directly following the rhyme (five rounds/side down), you could skip a line (potentially add some internals or a new scheme) and then land the original rhyme later one.

Here's Watsky doing it

All I wanna do is get my mind right
If I'm looking at tomorrow check my eyesight
All I'm gonna focus on is this fine night
Cause all I know is that this life is finite
Never Neverland isn't more than a legend and so I gotta be digging the present session and getting this
Wedging myself up into the wettest crevices, effortless
Grabbing a piece of the flesh, if you love it then why fight

and here's Jokerr giving an example whilst mocking Tech

Allow me to break shit down
Let's rhyme
Tech n9ne
Blind shredder
Predictable patterning
With a flattering end cap as a tie jetter
Then a couple in a minute bars
For a double A, B, A stanza
That commands in advanced of the bonanza
Then it all ends up in the same rhyme letter
But he won't stop there
He'll take it to the A bar
Make a nigga way hard
Then he goes (CHA) in between (CHA) everything (CHA) that he says (CHA)
what a great time setter (CHA)
He might even switch it from 32nd's and divide it to triplets and introduce harmony for the philogyny because cuz ladies love his singing like fine leather
Then we speed it up faster but it doesn't really gotta make sense
Cause the fans can't even understand what he says anyways knew better if they did they'd laugh when a nigga say shit like
"Dark and wicked, (CHA) Autistic kid, (CHA) picking up frogs and crickets" Then he goes back to the line header.
It's called completion, it's all cohesive, it's basic music theory bitch and it ain't that hard to teach it
Listen I ain't got nothing but love for the nigga but he's not the governor of the shit
I'd love to admit it but really cant in good conscience cause the fact of the matter's I'm better
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby SliK » Oct 24th, '13, 02:10

Jay-Z is HORRIBLE at aligning syllables.
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