Mainstream is just as talented as Underground

[VenomBlackViper]

Satire name them all, & if I don't hear Diabolic i'ma be mad as fuck like that one Celph Titled song.

[Tash8]

There are literally dozens of rappers out there who sound, have the same style/beat choice and even look like Eminem/Lil' Wayne.

Why is there only one of them in the mainstream?

BECAUSE IT FUCKING GOES BACK TO WHAT IT TAKES TO BECOME A MAINSTREAM ARTIST.

ITS NOT just about sounding like them, Its about more than that. How many times do I have to tell you that. It's not just the talent, it's a bunch of stuff.

If there was eminem-esque rapper out there right now, I Guratanee no fuckin label is gonna go, hey we can't sign you yet cause we already have eminem right now. If anything another label will sign him so they can compete against interscope.

Oh and you can't call the songs he writes a talent considering he doesn't write them....

really? and you know that how? because I just looked at the credits for who wrote the songs and I see a bunch of the songs that credit Justin for writing them.

Your arguments don't even make sense though lmao. Only one teeny bopper pop start can be big a time, he overshadows the rest of them, obviously other labels have tried when you look at Cody Simpson but it was too late. They'll just have to wait for Justin to mature so girls won't be all over him anymore.

no your argument does not make sense. If Justin overshadows other artists, that because HE overshadows, not because his label won't sign other artists because JB can be the only teeny boopper pop star.

When eminem was ruling the rap industry, do you think all labels just said, you know we should just hold off on signing another rapper because no one else is going to put up his numbers or his fame.

The songs he writes? HE doesn't write them. Even if he did what diff. does that make? Anyone can write that type of a song.

so yet again, we'll go back to what I keep fucking saying. cause you guys are starting to piss me off. Sure maybe anyone can write those types of songs, maybe even you can, but you dont have his voice, you dont have his image, you dont have the tens of other things that it takes to be Justin.

DO YOU FUCKIN UNDERSTAND THAT? or how many more times do I have to say that.

There's a bunch of talent on this forum, McMaybe has some of the dopest writing skills I've seen, Class is amazing lyrically, Vettori is amazing at making catchy songs.

NONE OF THEM WILL EVER BE MAINSTREAM because it does not just take TALENT it takes more than that.

[Master Chief]

There are literally dozens of rappers out there who sound, have the same style/beat choice and even look like Eminem/Lil' Wayne.

Why is there only one of them in the mainstream?

Charisma, quality of product (most of the time), marketability, attitude etc.

I'm saying they literally have all of that. None of them are as lyrical but there is definitely a shit load of people with Em's appeal.

Hopsin is a huge example. EVERYONE who likes Eminem likes Hopsin other than Block who is a sell out anyways.

I doubt any YouTube rapper is as good as Eminem. By that I mean NOW. Present time.

Hopsin is one in a million.

Or maybe, I'm not understanding what you're saying

[Satire]

I doubt any YouTube rapper is as good as Eminem. By that I mean NOW. Present time.

Hopsin is one in a million.

Or maybe, I'm not understanding what you're saying

I clearly just said none of them are as good lol.

The appeal. They appeal to the exact same audience. Just like how Gucci Mane and Wayne appeal to the exact same audience yet it's clear which one is better.

[dR3]

Image? That's not talent it's genetics and marketing.

Voice? He can't fucking sing I already proved that.

Ten other things? Name them.

[classthe_king]

Tash you're seriously acting retarded right now. It's not rocket science Justin Bieber isn't writing his songs. Yeah being mainstream is more than having talent, actually it has nothing to do with talent. It's how good you look and how much promotion you have. That's it. The fact that you're trying to argue that Justin Bieber has anymore talent than any random kid in my high school is ridiculous.

[FreeSpeech]

Tash you're seriously acting retarded right now. It's not rocket science Justin Bieber isn't writing his songs. Yeah being mainstream is more than having talent, actually it has nothing to do with talent. It's how good you look and how much promotion you have. That's it. The fact that you're trying to argue that Justin Bieber has anymore talent than any random kid in my high school is ridiculous.

If you think being mainstream requires no talent, GTFO. Yes, looks and connections are huge, but talent is (almost always) a must. That's why people like Paris Hilton will flop. She sucks. Justin Bieber is very talented. Yes, I probably know people who are as good as him, but having a media-friendly persona is a talent too. Tons of people would just freeze up, be unlikable, boring, etc.

Class honestly just sounds like a jealous douche.

[classthe_king]

Again, not adding anything at all to the conversation. Good job

[Tash8]

Tash you're seriously acting retarded right now. It's not rocket science Justin Bieber isn't writing his songs. Yeah being mainstream is more than having talent, actually it has nothing to do with talent. It's how good you look and how much promotion you have. That's it. The fact that you're trying to argue that Justin Bieber has anymore talent than any random kid in my high school is ridiculous.

god class, No one every said bieber is more talented than any random kid in your high school, some might even have more talent, but they might not be more charismatic, etc WHICH is what it takes to become a mainstream artists. just tell me if you understand that, don't make any points, just tell me if you get that, if you dont let me dumb it down more.

Justin Bieber is not mainstream artist because he's really talented.. He has a little bit of talent with a bunch of other attributes that makes his a good candidate to be a mainstream artist.

Image? That's not talent it's genetics and marketing.

Voice? He can't fucking sing I already proved that.

Ten other things? Name them.

image is not a talent but is a MUST if you want to be mainstream.

Saying he can't sing is your opinion, not a fact, some really like his voice and the way he sounds

ten other things? I already mentioned a few.
charisma, connections, image, talent (some), etc

now I never MADE the point that mainstream is just as talented as underground, NO. I said it takes more than talent to become mainstream (those things i mentioned above)..that's why some underground artists regardless of how talented they are, they cannnot be mainstream artist.

NOW DO YOU GET THAT, don't make any points, just ask me what you don't get


---I feel half this argument is just the fact that you guys don't understand what I'm saying rather than you disagreeing.

[dR3]

Again you say SOME TALENT which you can't prove/point out.

We are denying his talent not success dont try to spin this arg. around.


Would be funny if Tash has been trolling us this whole time.

[FreeSpeech]

Again, not adding anything at all to the conversation. Good job

Hmm, my post actually did add something. Yours ironically does the exact same thing you call me out for. Damn, McLovin, feeling hypocritical huh?

[Tash8]

Again you say SOME TALENT which you can't prove/point out.

We are denying his talent not success dont try to spin this arg. around.


Would be funny if Tash has been trolling us this whole time.

He can somewhat sing/write/and make catchy songs (that's a talent, right?). Not saying that's anything special cause about 100 members on this site can somewhat sing/write/and make catchy songs. Why is that a talent? because a talent means you have a superior ability than most normal people. Which he does, he can sing and write better than a normal person. With that small amount of talent, and his extraordinary personality and certain characteristics that he has. He has the ability to become a mainstream artists.

That is, and was my only point. Not all mainstream artists have to have talent, JB has a little bit of musical talents with a bunch of other things that make up for his lack of extraordinary talent. (kesha on the other hand has NO musical talent but has made it because she's probably used her sexual talents to fuck a few label heads)

Do you get that man?

[classthe_king]

No we don't understand what you're saying but it's fucking stupid. Image, charisma and connections have nothing to do with music. Outside of connections there are millions of people will image and charisma. Justin Bieber just got lucky with connections. That doesn't make him special or important at all.

Do you get that man?

[Tash8]

No we don't understand what you're saying but it's fucking stupid. Image, charisma and connections have nothing to do with music. Outside of connections there are millions of people will image and charisma. Justin Bieber just got lucky with connections. That doesn't make him special or important at all.

I never said it having anything to do with music (because it does not) but it has everything to do with being a mainstream artist.

[FreeSpeech]

No we don't understand what you're saying but it's fucking stupid. Image, charisma and connections have nothing to do with music. Outside of connections there are millions of people will image and charisma. Justin Bieber just got lucky with connections. That doesn't make him special or important at all.

He didn't have connections idiot. He grew up poor, and was discovered by Usher on youtube. It's not like his dad was Jimmy Iovine or some shit.

And yes, image and charisma do have a lot to do with music, in the industry at least. When you have a favorite artist, you want to be able to enjoy watching their interviews and their live shows.