Get Rid Of a Type Of Rap Fan

[Devil'sAdvocate]

*Looks at post*

*Yup i clearly said that he listen to alot of different rap"

FAIL

[dead prez]

Btw class I wasn't insinuating you were boxed in, just the notion that DA doesn't like fans who close off other subgenres of rap.

[classthe_king]

^^^^I know

*Looks at post*

*Yup i clearly said that he listen to alot of different rap"

FAIL

So someone who listens to A LOT (not alot) of different rap can't be boxed in. Your whole post was a fail.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

If you say so.

[dead prez]

I would just get rid of any rap fan that only listens to rap for the hook and the beat and "doesn't give a fuck what they are saying."

Well I'm sorry to bump this old decrepit thread, but I happened to be searching my old posts and thought I might as well since this thread is pretty decent anyway. Anyways I know you were probably weren't aiming to be condescending or maybe you were, but I can't help but try to justify why people may feel that way. Disclaimer , I'm not here to spark a debate just state my dissent for that post which really clashes with my overall way of listening to music.

Anyways, hooks ruin or can make song, personally I've never put much of an emphasis on hooks but really catchy hooks add to the song's replay value a lot, especially when they're brief and concise but encapsulate the mood of the song really well that some people tend to associate the song mostly for the hook. I think I've said it before, but I 'm fine with sampled hooks as they usually don't take away the attention from the verses, but horrible hooks can ruin songs. No matter how great the mic performance is, and I know you can skip it, but if there's even some blemishes in the song than it stops the song from reaching it's full potential and you can't truly call it great.

The best example of a hook ruining an otherwise fine mic performance would be Dear God 2.0 (from How I got Over) mainly from the indie siger sounding like a castrated faggot. I tend to despise most sung hooks unless it's from Vinia Mojica or Erykah Badu. Most of the time it's very plastic and contrived emotion in the form of saccharine wailing usually accompanied by autotune.

As for beats, this is where we may largely differ in opinion, but I honestly believe beats can make or break an album. An album with excellent mic performance but lackluster beats, isn't going very far and usually stops it from being a classic. Beats are the catalyst to mic performance and if you have shitty beats or beats that don't synergize with the rapper than the song (album) falls apart entirely. Not to mention I think an album with mediocore rapping but great beats would get much less flak than an album with great mic performance but shitty beats or beats that don't go well with the rapper at all. Many potential albums were hindered by lack of great beats but decent-good mic performance ( Canibus' debut/Roots of Evil/can't think of another atm but you get my point).

More often than not they dictate what type of album it's going to be, if the production is jiggy esque, most likely you could tell from the get go it's going to be bland corparate trash or an attempt at an artist to remain relevant (Az), though some could work with them fine without sacrificing album quality (OC- Jewelz/ Jay z -In My Lifetime Vol.1). They give the album a face, and if it has hard hitting production reminiscint to that of Havoc on The Infamous than you could tell the album's attempting hardcore from the mid 90s in the east. Dilla's signature sound is neo soul, even though Detroit doesn't really have a signature sound and borrows elements from all other regions. Regions are defined by certain sounds such as The West with G funk and Northeast with gritty noir music, which can be directly attributed to the climate in the area. There's a reason people say Mobb Deep and Wu Tang make great Winter music whereas Pac and Dre make Summer music, the Midwest is more leaned toward Soul and the South is it's own bag altogether. The point of this little paragraph as to not seem like I'm going of on a red herring is that beats are wholly important as they define the general sound of the album, and if you have poppy beats you'll be usually be accused as selling out by your core audience. Artists have to intricately hand pick their beats as to match their style and sound, all the skill in the world won't save an album with boring soft percussions or someone like Eminem's style in MMLP over Cunninlynguists beats, they just don't mix.

There are some people that even buy the instrumental version of an album and listen to that exclusively, I don't really know anyone that listen to acapella by itself without mixing it. Even though the voice is an instrument it's meant to go in conjuction with beats, by itself there's very few reasons to listen to it. I mean how many albums have great beats, but the rapping is mostly used as an add on to the album (most producer albums/ Black Milk's AOTY/In the Ruff), and let's not even bring up Instrumental albums which are clearly devoid of any form of mceeing. I'm not saying that one takes precedence over the other as they're both important, just that beats are the musical aspect of Hip Hop, and yeah I know voices are an instrument, but like I've said throughout my rambling good beats make or break an album.

And lastly, maybe it's because I've been dicking around with other genres lately, but I tend to not hang on to every word that comes out of the rapper's mouth. Unless the rapper is being very annoying by dropping stupid puns or any other pet peeve I may have (constant namedropping), than I usually don't pay much attention to what is being said, certainly not when it's a freestyle or aimless song in general. Unless the rapper's saying something profound, is original, intelligent, funny, or telling a story, than I see no reason to hang on to every word that's being said. If a rapper's speaking about boring shit that doesn't pique my interest , than I'll just treat his voice as an instrument, seeing as how rap is a vocal art after all.

What I do pay attention to is how they deliver the words, their energy, clarity, timing, rhythm, how they structure their rhyme schemes etc. Shit like that, but for the most part I tend to tune the rhymes out as nondescript vocal makers. I might have picked this habit up after listening to a lot of SC, seeing as how a lot of Ghost's shit is out there, and makes no sense, but he's a great vocalist. Hell I don't even pay full attention to Dessa's lyrics (though I should, as my enjoyment would probably increase by tenfold, seeing as how she's a great writer), but more with how she constantly changes her delivery and merge singing and rapping.

Anyways even though this may seem misguided, I wasn't trying to spark an argument just justifying why some people may hold those beliefs, even though you're probably aware of it. And you were most likely referring to the teeny boppers who enjoy shit like Recovery.

[dead prez]

To contribute to this thread, I don't know if it's been said by those that sacred cow the "legends" and say you can't compare X rapper to Y because of his impact and legacy. -__- They make my side look bad, and don't do a good job defending the artists to begin with. I don't need to rely on the rapper's cultural relevance to put him on a pedestal, I like to judge solely of his content. And while I'd love to use it at times for my favor, I'd hate for it to be used against me if I'm advocating for X rapper against Eminem.

[classthe_king]

I would just get rid of any rap fan that only listens to rap for the hook and the beat and "doesn't give a fuck what they are saying."

Well I'm sorry to bump this old decrepit thread, but I happened to be searching my old posts and thought I might as well since this thread is pretty decent anyway. Anyways I know you were probably weren't aiming to be condescending or maybe you were, but I can't help but try to justify why people may feel that way. Disclaimer , I'm not here to spark a debate just state my dissent for that post which really clashes with my overall way of listening to music.

Anyways, hooks ruin or can make song, personally I've never put much of an emphasis on hooks but really catchy hooks add to the song's replay value a lot, especially when they're brief and concise but encapsulate the mood of the song really well that some people tend to associate the song mostly for the hook. I think I've said it before, but I 'm fine with sampled hooks as they usually don't take away the attention from the verses, but horrible hooks can ruin songs. No matter how great the mic performance is, and I know you can skip it, but if there's even some blemishes in the song than it stops the song from reaching it's full potential and you can't truly call it great.

The best example of a hook ruining an otherwise fine mic performance would be Dear God 2.0 (from How I got Over) mainly from the indie siger sounding like a castrated faggot. I tend to despise most sung hooks unless it's from Vinia Mojica or Erykah Badu. Most of the time it's very plastic and contrived emotion in the form of saccharine wailing usually accompanied by autotune.

As for beats, this is where we may largely differ in opinion, but I honestly believe beats can make or break an album. An album with excellent mic performance but lackluster beats, isn't going very far and usually stops it from being a classic. Beats are the catalyst to mic performance and if you have shitty beats or beats that don't synergize with the rapper than the song (album) falls apart entirely. Not to mention I think an album with mediocore rapping but great beats would get much less flak than an album with great mic performance but shitty beats or beats that don't go well with the rapper at all. Many potential albums were hindered by lack of great beats but decent-good mic performance ( Canibus' debut/Roots of Evil/can't think of another atm but you get my point).

More often than not they dictate what type of album it's going to be, if the production is jiggy esque, most likely you could tell from the get go it's going to be bland corparate trash or an attempt at an artist to remain relevant (Az), though some could work with them fine without sacrificing album quality (OC- Jewelz/ Jay z -In My Lifetime Vol.1). They give the album a face, and if it has hard hitting production reminiscint to that of Havoc on The Infamous than you could tell the album's attempting hardcore from the mid 90s in the east. Dilla's signature sound is neo soul, even though Detroit doesn't really have a signature sound and borrows elements from all other regions. Regions are defined by certain sounds such as The West with G funk and Northeast with gritty noir music, which can be directly attributed to the climate in the area. There's a reason people say Mobb Deep and Wu Tang make great Winter music whereas Pac and Dre make Summer music, the Midwest is more leaned toward Soul and the South is it's own bag altogether. The point of this little paragraph as to not seem like I'm going of on a red herring is that beats are wholly important as they define the general sound of the album, and if you have poppy beats you'll be usually be accused as selling out by your core audience. Artists have to intricately hand pick their beats as to match their style and sound, all the skill in the world won't save an album with boring soft percussions or someone like Eminem's style in MMLP over Cunninlynguists beats, they just don't mix.

There are some people that even buy the instrumental version of an album and listen to that exclusively, I don't really know anyone that listen to acapella by itself without mixing it. Even though the voice is an instrument it's meant to go in conjuction with beats, by itself there's very few reasons to listen to it. I mean how many albums have great beats, but the rapping is mostly used as an add on to the album (most producer albums/ Black Milk's AOTY/In the Ruff), and let's not even bring up Instrumental albums which are clearly devoid of any form of mceeing. I'm not saying that one takes precedence over the other as they're both important, just that beats are the musical aspect of Hip Hop, and yeah I know voices are an instrument, but like I've said throughout my rambling good beats make or break an album.

And lastly, maybe it's because I've been dicking around with other genres lately, but I tend to not hang on to every word that comes out of the rapper's mouth. Unless the rapper is being very annoying by dropping stupid puns or any other pet peeve I may have (constant namedropping), than I usually don't pay much attention to what is being said, certainly not when it's a freestyle or aimless song in general. Unless the rapper's saying something profound, is original, intelligent, funny, or telling a story, than I see no reason to hang on to every word that's being said. If a rapper's speaking about boring shit that doesn't pique my interest , than I'll just treat his voice as an instrument, seeing as how rap is a vocal art after all.

What I do pay attention to is how they deliver the words, their energy, clarity, timing, rhythm, how they structure their rhyme schemes etc. Shit like that, but for the most part I tend to tune the rhymes out as nondescript vocal makers. I might have picked this habit up after listening to a lot of SC, seeing as how a lot of Ghost's shit is out there, and makes no sense, but he's a great vocalist. Hell I don't even pay full attention to Dessa's lyrics (though I should, as my enjoyment would probably increase by tenfold, seeing as how she's a great writer), but more with how she constantly changes her delivery and merge singing and rapping.

Anyways even though this may seem misguided, I wasn't trying to spark an argument just justifying why some people may hold those beliefs, even though you're probably aware of it. And you were most likely referring to the teeny boppers who enjoy shit like Recovery.

Ummm I never said I don't care about hooks or beats. Great hooks and beats + great rapping is always better than just great rapping. But the people who only care about beats and not about rapping, aka the Mac Miller fans, the Drake fans, the Wiz fans, can go fuck themselves.

[dead prez]

I know you care about those, I just felt like justifying why some people hold those in high esteem or listen to rap in that fashion. I had a feeling you were specifically singling out the Miller type fans though but just in case you weren't well you could never be too sure.