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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Man1x » Mar 30th, '12, 19:10

momentsgolden wrote:http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.19203/title.tech-n9ne-talks-klusterfuk-scoring-a-1-album-with-0-spent-on-marketing

Made klusterfuk in 4 days... :o :worship:


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momentsgolden wrote:http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.19203/title.tech-n9ne-talks-klusterfuk-scoring-a-1-album-with-0-spent-on-marketing

Made klusterfuk in 4 days... :o :worship:

Yeah dude, see this is what I'm saying. And Em puts out 1 song this year.

I'll try to find my post pointing this out, but everybody just defends Em to the death and won't accept that songs don't take months to make :coffee:


Eminem's a mainstream artist, name one mainstream artist that puts out more than one album a year, their major labels want to cash in as much as they can and they wouldn't want their artist competing with themselves on charts and for sales. Tech can do this because he sells significantly less than Eminem. Also, Eminem is in the studio everyday making songs (they all don't get released) and on top of that he is producing, something Tech doesn't do. Invalid argument is invalid. Also, Eminem has released three classics at least, now don't get me wrong Tech is amazing and all, but he hasn't ever put out a classic, the only one I think you can argue for is the Klusterfuk EP (a six track complication). There is an obvious, or there was when Eminem was in his prime, quality difference. Quality > Quanity.
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Elision » Mar 30th, '12, 20:52

Man1x wrote:Eminem's a mainstream artist, name one mainstream artist that puts out more than one album a year, their major labels want to cash in as much as they can and they wouldn't want their artist competing with themselves on charts and for sales. Tech can do this because he sells significantly less than Eminem. Also, Eminem is in the studio everyday making songs (they all don't get released) and on top of that he is producing, something Tech doesn't do. Invalid argument is invalid. Also, Eminem has released three classics at least, now don't get me wrong Tech is amazing and all, but he hasn't ever put out a classic, the only one I think you can argue for is the Klusterfuk EP (a six track complication). There is an obvious, or there was when Eminem was in his prime, quality difference. Quality > Quanity.
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Elision » Mar 30th, '12, 21:02

InsaneTRex94 wrote:It sorta hurts me to see these arguments because Tech is right behind Eminem as far as my favorites. I'm a massive Stan of both.
I'm not against Em. I fucking love Em's work. Y'know, that is when he decides to share it. :coffee:
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Man1x » Mar 30th, '12, 21:42

Elision wrote:
Man1x wrote:Eminem's a mainstream artist, name one mainstream artist that puts out more than one album a year, their major labels want to cash in as much as they can and they wouldn't want their artist competing with themselves on charts and for sales. Tech can do this because he sells significantly less than Eminem. Also, Eminem is in the studio everyday making songs (they all don't get released) and on top of that he is producing, something Tech doesn't do. Invalid argument is invalid. Also, Eminem has released three classics at least, now don't get me wrong Tech is amazing and all, but he hasn't ever put out a classic, the only one I think you can argue for is the Klusterfuk EP (a six track complication). There is an obvious, or there was when Eminem was in his prime, quality difference. Quality > Quanity.
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No but seriously. Shut the fuck up. :facepalm


No you shut the fuck up, I love Tech and Eminem both but the shit you said about taking months to lay a song is stupidity in its finest. And there is a difference in quality that you can't obviously see. Tech N9ne focuses on flow and rhymes, but the words come second. This obliterates any message in the songs he does this in, note I said "the songs" not all songs. You're obviously butt hurt. I mean the hell is your fucking problem? Are you mad that I called you out on your bullshit? I'm here to have a meaningful discussion and you can't even back up your claims, so instead you post a dumb ass comment and a picture. Yea, you proved your right faggot. And lmao if you say your not a Tech N9ne Stan (or Techincian, whatever), you can't even admit he's not perfect. Eminem isn't either, but I at least admit he's human.
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Elision » Mar 30th, '12, 22:19

Man1x wrote:
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Man1x wrote:Eminem's a mainstream artist, name one mainstream artist that puts out more than one album a year, their major labels want to cash in as much as they can and they wouldn't want their artist competing with themselves on charts and for sales. Tech can do this because he sells significantly less than Eminem. Also, Eminem is in the studio everyday making songs (they all don't get released) and on top of that he is producing, something Tech doesn't do. Invalid argument is invalid. Also, Eminem has released three classics at least, now don't get me wrong Tech is amazing and all, but he hasn't ever put out a classic, the only one I think you can argue for is the Klusterfuk EP (a six track complication). There is an obvious, or there was when Eminem was in his prime, quality difference. Quality > Quanity.
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No you shut the fuck up, I love Tech and Eminem both but the shit you said about taking months to lay a song is stupidity in its finest. And there is a difference in quality that you can't obviously see. Tech N9ne focuses on flow and rhymes, but the words come second. This obliterates any message in the songs he does this in, note I said "the songs" not all songs. You're obviously butt hurt. I mean the hell is your fucking problem? Are you mad that I called you out on your bullshit? I'm here to have a meaningful discussion and you can't even back up your claims, so instead you post a dumb ass comment and a picture. Yea, you proved your right faggot. And lmao if you say your not a Tech N9ne Stan (or Techincian, whatever), you can't even admit he's not perfect. Eminem isn't either, but I at least admit he's human.
Elision wrote:I make a post that's more than 2 paragraph's long maybe once a year. So this may be worth reading :sweating: I've included links to back up things that I feel need backing-up.

Okay, before I say anything, I need to make it perfectly clear that I will be speaking from a non-bias point of view. I've never considered myself a "Technician", only someone who deeply appreciates Tech's take on lyricism and more specifically the art of rhyme. But for the sake of argument, I will be speaking as someone who has no specific interest in any artist more than any other.

The first thing you need to understand, is that Tech is almost never just rhyming for the sake of rhyming. And when he is, it's pretty easy to notice, since he doesn't try to hide it. He is very precisely aware of every single syllable in every single bar.

(PS: The 2 links above are supposed to direct you to 21:40 & 40:17. But if you're using Google Chrome it may bug out and send you to the same time twice.)

What I've noticed separates major Tech fans from the ones who simply don't get it, is the ability to mentally split the sentences in his bars. Because Tech loves to end a sentence mid-bar and start a new one with the 2nd half of it, without ever stopping to indicate that the sentence ended there.

The reason for this is for the sake of flow. And Tech's crazy lyrical pieces start to become a lot more clear when you understand that often, flow is his #1 priority. And in this sense you'll see that he's actually using the words as instrument notes. The syllables fall perfectly into place like Tetris, and while the bars he's spitting sometimes don't correctly follow our language's rules of grammar, because of it you're able to rock to that shit like no other. And you still know what he's describing because of his word choice. There's a writer/author by the name of Cormac McCarthy who likes to do the same thing in his writing. However Tech is the only artist that I'm aware of who does it to this degree with lyrics.

Once you're able to grasp what I said in the above paragraph, his super hardcore lyrical shit gains a whole new layer of talent (I'm using 'talent' due to lack of a better word, but you get what I mean).

Now, NoColor, under that pretense, I'm going to explain the lines you don't understand by putting them in sentence form, with proper punctuation. This should make it easier for you to not only understand what he's saying, but to be able to have the right state of mind when listening to Tech from here on. Which I think will help a lot of people if they just give it a chance.

Ugly Duckling - "Now your chick wanna hug me and smash and look lovely in cash instead of muggy. And clash? you'd act like we was buddies in class."
See how it's suddenly clear what he's saying? Let's move along.
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Tech has been around so long that he's done music with Tupac. On top of that, the dude does 2 albums and 200 shows a year for the last 11 years. And that's before we even get to the mixtapes and features. Yet Tech is still fairly unknown. But he's happy with his music regardless, and that he has kept it so real for so long. That's what he's referring to here.

Worldwide Choppers - "You with it, you get it, you never lost the apostle. He's sick, he can give it the Poe and toss in Picasso. Killin everybody off is the motto, and I be the only chopper that's tossed in the brothel. You said it's pathetic? My head is off in a taco. I sped and you bled, and you in the coffin when I go."
It's funny that you used this quote. Because he's saying that if you'll get it if you're with it right there haha. Anyway, the apostle being him. And he's talking to his fans. Stating that he's never gone anywhere.

Next line he's saying that he possesses artistic talent to the point that he's able to throw things as advanced as Poe and Picasso's work into his lyricism with ease. Next line, as we all know, Tech likes to be extremely sexual at times with his work, so bare that in mind when he says "my head is off in a taco" :whistle:

Technicians - "and don't know what I mean when I say elbow macaroni bitch"
He's referring to this skit from 2008's Killer.

Who Do I Catch - "Better pay attention, cause if ya simpin ya get froze, and I'mma leave you with a wet nose when im rippin. They catch colds"
Okay, the fact that you don't understand this is what makes it so great. He says "better pay attention" because he wants you to fucking pay attention. Which apparently you still do not do. Because right after he goes into explaining it, he says "they be like ah.. ah.. CHA". Followed by him laughing at it. The "CHA" there, is the exact same "CHA" that he puts over most of his breaths when he finishes laying down a verse. He does this to make the his breath control seem seamless when performing the material live. But it also happens to be the same noise you make when you sneeze.

When Tech's rippin, that "CHA" is all over his verses. And it has been for like 20 years. Get it now?





You're used to people like Em making punchlines and that are very easy to spot (for the most part). And the ones that aren't so easy to spot, like on Recovery, he goes out of his way to point them out. Which is not uncommon in hiphop. Tech's punchlines however are unbelievably well-placed and worded. So much so that the majority of them go right over your head. And he gives no fucks about explaining it to the "simps" ;)

Hope this helped :wave:


Regardless, my response wasn't even directed at what you said about Tech. It was at your sheer lack of knowledge. And for the record, I was saying that people who say songs take months to record, don't know what they're talking about. And if you read what I typed, you would know that.

Now, as for Em producing. How many productions have we heard from him in the last, shit, 6 months for instance? Very very very little. Just like his song department.

As for Tech and classics?
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby CrashBand » Mar 30th, '12, 23:01

omg. I never realised tech had released the most classics out of anyone in hip hop
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Trimss » Mar 30th, '12, 23:05

I think that in order to call an album a real classic, it has to have at least some sort of impact in the rap game.

His album are still dope as fuck though.
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Man1x » Mar 31st, '12, 00:27

Trimss wrote:I think that in order to call an album a real classic, it has to have at least some sort of impact in the rap game.

His album are still dope as fuck though.

Exactly, they are above average albums. And everything in your post (Ellison) I knew except that he worked with 2Pac (I knew he was around for eleven years and shit putting out many albums though) and that Cha sneeze punchline, but I knew he does the Cha. I'm not retarded, an as for clarity tech isn't the best, and I even admitted that was because he focuses on flow. Your post didn't disprove anything I said, and the only thing that you added was that you think I don't know what Tech does, I didn't know you could get into my head. Anyway, I still maintain my last post and continue to say that Klisterfuk is Tech's only argument for a classic thus far. And note ass hole I'm only pissed at you cause you said shut the fuck up cause I didn't agree with you and then acted like I'm retarded. Talk to me when you
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Solace » Mar 31st, '12, 03:30

Elision wrote:I make a post that's more than 2 paragraph's long maybe once a year. So this may be worth reading :sweating: I've included links to back up things that I feel need backing-up.

Okay, before I say anything, I need to make it perfectly clear that I will be speaking from a non-bias point of view. I've never considered myself a "Technician", only someone who deeply appreciates Tech's take on lyricism and more specifically the art of rhyme. But for the sake of argument, I will be speaking as someone who has no specific interest in any artist more than any other.

The first thing you need to understand, is that Tech is almost never just rhyming for the sake of rhyming. And when he is, it's pretty easy to notice, since he doesn't try to hide it. He is very precisely aware of every single syllable in every single bar.

(PS: The 2 links above are supposed to direct you to 21:40 & 40:17. But if you're using Google Chrome it may bug out and send you to the same time twice.)

What I've noticed separates major Tech fans from the ones who simply don't get it, is the ability to mentally split the sentences in his bars. Because Tech loves to end a sentence mid-bar and start a new one with the 2nd half of it, without ever stopping to indicate that the sentence ended there.

The reason for this is for the sake of flow. And Tech's crazy lyrical pieces start to become a lot more clear when you understand that often, flow is his #1 priority. And in this sense you'll see that he's actually using the words as instrument notes. The syllables fall perfectly into place like Tetris, and while the bars he's spitting sometimes don't correctly follow our language's rules of grammar, because of it you're able to rock to that shit like no other. And you still know what he's describing because of his word choice. There's a writer/author by the name of Cormac McCarthy who likes to do the same thing in his writing. However Tech is the only artist that I'm aware of who does it to this degree with lyrics.

Once you're able to grasp what I said in the above paragraph, his super hardcore lyrical shit gains a whole new layer of talent (I'm using 'talent' due to lack of a better word, but you get what I mean).

Now, NoColor, under that pretense, I'm going to explain the lines you don't understand by putting them in sentence form, with proper punctuation. This should make it easier for you to not only understand what he's saying, but to be able to have the right state of mind when listening to Tech from here on. Which I think will help a lot of people if they just give it a chance.

Ugly Duckling - "Now your chick wanna hug me and smash and look lovely in cash instead of muggy. And clash? you'd act like we was buddies in class."
See how it's suddenly clear what he's saying? Let's move along.
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Worldwide Choppers - "You with it, you get it, you never lost the apostle. He's sick, he can give it the Poe and toss in Picasso. Killin everybody off is the motto, and I be the only chopper that's tossed in the brothel. You said it's pathetic? My head is off in a taco. I sped and you bled, and you in the coffin when I go."
It's funny that you used this quote. Because he's saying that if you'll get it if you're with it right there haha. Anyway, the apostle being him. And he's talking to his fans. Stating that he's never gone anywhere.

Next line he's saying that he possesses artistic talent to the point that he's able to throw things as advanced as Poe and Picasso's work into his lyricism with ease. Next line, as we all know, Tech likes to be extremely sexual at times with his work, so bare that in mind when he says "my head is off in a taco" :whistle:

Technicians - "and don't know what I mean when I say elbow macaroni bitch"
He's referring to this skit from 2008's Killer.

Who Do I Catch - "Better pay attention, cause if ya simpin ya get froze, and I'mma leave you with a wet nose when im rippin. They catch colds"
Okay, the fact that you don't understand this is what makes it so great. He says "better pay attention" because he wants you to fucking pay attention. Which apparently you still do not do. Because right after he goes into explaining it, he says "they be like ah.. ah.. CHA". Followed by him laughing at it. The "CHA" there, is the exact same "CHA" that he puts over most of his breaths when he finishes laying down a verse. He does this to make the his breath control seem seamless when performing the material live. But it also happens to be the same noise you make when you sneeze.

When Tech's rippin, that "CHA" is all over his verses. And it has been for like 20 years. Get it now?





You're used to people like Em making punchlines and that are very easy to spot (for the most part). And the ones that aren't so easy to spot, like on Recovery, he goes out of his way to point them out. Which is not uncommon in hiphop. Tech's punchlines however are unbelievably well-placed and worded. So much so that the majority of them go right over your head. And he gives no fucks about explaining it to the "simps" ;)

Hope this helped :wave:


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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby momentsgolden » Mar 31st, '12, 03:54

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momentsgolden wrote:http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.19203/title.tech-n9ne-talks-klusterfuk-scoring-a-1-album-with-0-spent-on-marketing

Made klusterfuk in 4 days... :o :worship:


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4 songs released for free where its half rapping anyway (with one of them being kinda ehhh) vs a 6 track EP with a fucking GROUP imported from GREECE, 2 other guests and being sold are not to be taken the same. Tech's accomplishment is obviously bigger dawgg haha

That said, i still rock with that EP and 2 of those tracks could have been (quality wise) on any of his previous or future releases. Faces is quite my joint.

And @Elison, while i respect that he could release more.... you gotta live life a little to be interesting. Tech N9ne will be doing 90 shows in 99 days, with meet and greet for an hour, in so many cities, still drinks and is surrounded by people who are outgoing and coming up with real-world experiences to share. Eminem is in the detroit studio perfecting his exectutive, writing and production skills while trying to stay away from drugs. One person will invariably be more regularly inspired. Thats why i'm of the opinion he should make less music at this point and TOUR more. Look at what that did to Nas (distant relatives :wub: )
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby RainMan44 » Mar 31st, '12, 09:54

How the FUCK is 'All 6's and 7's a fucking classic? Don't confuse 'classic' with 'good/great' album.
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Solace » Mar 31st, '12, 17:17

I feel like it had too many fillers. A simple rearranging of the tracklist and taking out some tracks to me would make it fucking amazing as a whole album. Same thing goes with Killer.
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby AbramIsaac » Mar 31st, '12, 18:33

I know I keep saying it, but I thought All 6's and 7's was a boring album.

And all of those sex songs in a row there towards the end (or middle, shit I don't remember) is kind of weird. I'm not going to listen to Tech9 to bone, I can promise you that.

I bought the album, being the only Tech album I actually bought instead of bootlegged...listened to it once or twice and then gave it away to the first person that would take it.
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Ethos » Apr 1st, '12, 04:34

Elision pretty much hit the nail on the head with his long post. But as with any artist it just comes down to who you like. I love most of Tech's songs. There are like 5 that I don't play much but thats it. He has deep lyrics when you unpack them. So to say he just randomly throws things together is just undermining that fact. It's his flow that sets you off from seeing it at first listen.

I like him because the dude is truly a down to earth guy and he puts in work. You can talk to him on twitter almost whenever. He'll talk with ya at shows before and after meet and greets. The guy truly enjoys the company of his fans. So Tech doesn't produce his own beats and shit. Given that the dude literally puts on half a years worth of shows plus runs his label and records albums ON TIME can equally suffice. Klusterfuk isn't as awesome as it could have been but when it's recorded in 4 days with verses being rushed in hours and him recovering from broken ribs that's not bad. And I agree he may get redundant with content but so does every artist. The Eminem Show is basically an album of the same stuff said, different tune. (I love this album and it is truly a masterpiece but you get the point).

Also the only album I would ever consider a true artistic masterpiece is KOD. That is his only classic album to date IMO. And there are many classic albums in the world. they don't have to impact the genre to become a classic at all. In fact, I would say there are very few "classic" albums by that definition. Maybe only 5 to be honest.
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Re: Tech N9ne Complaint (opinion)

Postby Man1x » Apr 1st, '12, 06:15

Menzo wrote:Well, if you say an album isn't as good as it should have been cuz he pumped it out in 4 days, he's the boss of his own label, WHY rush himself? :S that's retarded logic.


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