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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 24th, '13, 02:55

SliK wrote:Jay-Z is HORRIBLE at aligning syllables.


that is all jay-z does.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby Trilla » Oct 24th, '13, 03:00

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SliK wrote:Jay-Z is HORRIBLE at aligning syllables.

True, but you could say Jay-Z is fantastic in aligning wordplay.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby Hadez » Oct 24th, '13, 04:06

Personally, I'm more impressed with a rhyme if they match syllables. Nine times out of ten it flows better anyway. There are a lot of lines I cringe at because they don't match up that would be great lines otherwise. From my perspective, it's like they couldn't come up with rhymes that matched syllables so they were like "fuck it" and put it in anyway.

An example of lines that would be sweet as fuck to me but is taken down a peg when I notice the syllables are off:
(Eminem in the 2010 Tim Westwood Freestyle)
"As sick as I'm getting they'll put me in a conventional oven with a rotisserie setting and won't even notice me sweating."

"Sick as I'm getting" you can say goes with (ro)tisserie setting. "Notice me sweating" is too short to match "rotisserie setting" and the rhyme itself doesn't go with "Sick as I'm getting"/"(ro)tisserie setting"

It's personal taste, really. From a rhyming perspective it has the potential to be as sweet as he intended it, but it falls kind of short when analyzed like this. From a non-rhyming perspective the lines are sweet as fuck.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby Solace » Oct 24th, '13, 04:43

^I completely understand what you mean about rappers possibly being lazy, but more often than not I feel it's just that they preferred it (for whatever reason) the way they release it. 'Cause, let's go with your example of Eminem's verse, "notice me sweating" as it doesn't rhyme with "sick as I'm getting" or "(ro)tisserie setting" could have easily been changed to "witness me sweeting". For me to be able to think of that better matching rhyme and Eminem not would be surprising.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby CrashBand » Oct 24th, '13, 05:36

Syllables not aligning isn't the end of the world, lol.

Some of Eminem's best lyrics have a misaligned mutli:

That's why we, seize the moment try to freeze it and own it
Squeeze it and hold it, cause we consider these minutes golden
And maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on
Through our lyrics that you hear in our songs and we can
I'm not tryin to be rude, but I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby Eedee » Oct 24th, '13, 06:00

classthe_king wrote:And no, assonance is the repetition of sounds. Like "hungry Harry hates happy Howie"


That's alliteration. Assonance is the repetition of vowel sounds.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 24th, '13, 06:39

Eedee wrote:
classthe_king wrote:And no, assonance is the repetition of sounds. Like "hungry Harry hates happy Howie"


That's alliteration. Assonance is the repetition of vowel sounds.


nah actually alliteration is the repetition of consonants sounds
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 24th, '13, 06:56

CrashBand wrote:Syllables not aligning isn't the end of the world, lol.

Some of Eminem's best lyrics have a misaligned mutli:

That's why we, seize the moment try to freeze it and own it
Squeeze it and hold it, cause we consider these minutes golden
And maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on
Through our lyrics that you hear in our songs and we can


they do match in terms of syllable count

like example

freeze it and own 4 syllables
seize the moment 4 syllables
these mintues gold 4 syllables
rics that 2 syllables
admit 2 syllables

bad example from you though

if there is one rapper who does that consistenly that is eminem
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby Hadez » Oct 24th, '13, 07:07

ronnie56 wrote:
CrashBand wrote:Syllables not aligning isn't the end of the world, lol.

Some of Eminem's best lyrics have a misaligned mutli:

That's why we, seize the moment try to freeze it and own it
Squeeze it and hold it, cause we consider these minutes golden
And maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on
Through our lyrics that you hear in our songs and we can


they do match in terms of syllable count

like example

freeze it and own 4 syllables
seize the moment 4 syllables
these mintues gold 4 syllables
rics that 2 syllables
admit 2 syllables

bad example from you though

if there is one rapper who does that consistenly that is eminem

While your explanation is way off, you're right, they match up well. Poor example indeed.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 24th, '13, 07:31

eminem alot of times don't make gramatical sense with his verses.
so yeah it flows right but it don't make any sense when u read it.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 24th, '13, 07:34

Hadez wrote:
ronnie56 wrote:
CrashBand wrote:Syllables not aligning isn't the end of the world, lol.

Some of Eminem's best lyrics have a misaligned mutli:

That's why we, seize the moment try to freeze it and own it
Squeeze it and hold it, cause we consider these minutes golden
And maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on
Through our lyrics that you hear in our songs and we can


they do match in terms of syllable count

like example

freeze it and own 4 syllables
seize the moment 4 syllables
these mintues gold 4 syllables
rics that 2 syllables
admit 2 syllables

bad example from you though

if there is one rapper who does that consistenly that is eminem

While your explanation is way off, you're right, they match up well. Poor example indeed.


im curious how is my explanation " way off "
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby ronnie56 » Oct 24th, '13, 07:39

Multi is short for “multi-syllable rhyme.” Multis are phrases in which more than one syllable rhymes. Multis can be double, triple, quadruple (etc…) rhymes.

Normal rhyme: cat / hat
Multi rhyme: my cat / hi-hat

most examples say multis are just more then one syllable rhyming

they don't have to match in syllable count

and u don't have to rhyme most of the syllables in the bar like mf doom or each syllable like some people think they just have to be more then one syllable and actually rhyme slant rhymes are accepetable
but just rhyming the syllable sound isn't enough in order for it to be considered a rhyme in the technical sense it has to have both the same syllable sound and similar consonants that is what slant rhyming is imo
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby Eedee » Oct 24th, '13, 07:42

ronnie56 wrote:
Eedee wrote:
classthe_king wrote:And no, assonance is the repetition of sounds. Like "hungry Harry hates happy Howie"


That's alliteration. Assonance is the repetition of vowel sounds.


nah actually alliteration is the repetition of consonants sounds


Yeah... exactly.

Hungry Harry Hates Happy Howie is alliteration, not assonance.
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby CrashBand » Oct 24th, '13, 08:06

I think ronnie is a troll. And Hadez was just wrong. My example was perfect.

Seize The Moment
Freeze it and own it
Squeeze it and hold it
These minutes golden
I'm not tryin to be rude, but I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth
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Re: do multis have to match in syllable count

Postby SliK » Oct 24th, '13, 08:13

ronnie56 wrote:
CrashBand wrote:Syllables not aligning isn't the end of the world, lol.

Some of Eminem's best lyrics have a misaligned mutli:

That's why we, seize the moment try to freeze it and own it
Squeeze it and hold it, cause we consider these minutes golden
And maybe they'll admit it when we're gone, just let our spirits live on
Through our lyrics that you hear in our songs and we can


they do match in terms of syllable count

like example

freeze it and own 4 syllables
seize the moment 4 syllables
these mintues gold 4 syllables
rics that 2 syllables
admit 2 syllables

bad example from you though

if there is one rapper who does that consistenly that is eminem

Seize the moment = 4
Freeze it and own it = 5

(Ad)mit it when we're gone = 5
Hear in our songs = 4
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