Drake First Single "Over"

[EminemBase]

Give him some time, if he can survive the hype I think he'll be great later on in his career.

I'm just saying, I started to listen to all kinds of music just because I liked it. It's way better to me to be able to see the potential in artists. I only hold the artists up to themselves and I never compare them. Eminem is Eminem and Jay Z is Jay z, Wayne is Wayne and Citizen Cope is Citizen Cope. When I started to do that a whole new world of music opened up for me.

Yeah that's fine if you can see potential though.

It's just like... Kid Cudi. I think his debut is brilliant but as soon as I heard him, I could hear the potential. I can tell he has something special and can't wait to see where he takes it. When I hear Drake however... It's just, nothing. It's bland, I feel I could do it myself, I feel I've heard it before.

Also like... Ricky Gervais - Now, I had comedy icons before him. I liked John Cleese and Monty Python and many things. But he was SO good immediately that he formed a new passion in my mind. When somebody is unique and talented they should stand-out to you regardless.

You shouldn't have to try and convince yourself into liking them or try reasoning as to why their lame qualities are just 'part of them' lmao. It should be apparent and immediate.

[LilWayne4Life]

I love it

Easily top 5 billboard hit

Lol these eminem stans are funny,
there the type of people to say this is wack and we made you is classic

Thank me later will be classic

Cory Gunz is coming, Wiz Khalifa is coming. Yong Money takeover

[Almostlity]

I love it

Easily top 5 billboard hit

Lol these eminem stans are funny,
there the type of people to say this is wack and we made you is classic

Thank me later will be classic

Cory Gunz is coming, Wiz Khalifa is coming. Yong Money takeover

who's Wiz Khalifa? another camel rider like Dj Camel, i mean Khaled?

[LilWayne4Life]

I love it

Easily top 5 billboard hit

Lol these eminem stans are funny,
there the type of people to say this is wack and we made you is classic

Thank me later will be classic

Cory Gunz is coming, Wiz Khalifa is coming. Yong Money takeover

who's Wiz Khalifa? another camel rider like Dj Camel, i mean Khaled?

No, A chill-lyrical weed smoke riding while listening rapper.

[EminemBase]

I love it

Easily top 5 billboard hit

Lol these eminem stans are funny,
there the type of people to say this is wack and we made you is classic

Thank me later will be classic

Cory Gunz is coming, Wiz Khalifa is coming. Yong Money takeover

My goodness. It's expected you would like it. You love awful music.

And no 'lol' at your constant, redundant use of 'stan'. That's literally all you can do. Pathetic, babbyish cop-out. Have a shred of originality ay moron.

And I'd listen to "We Made You" over crap like this anyday. At least it has good rhymes, wit and a killer flow. Unlike this cheesy babble, just a constant mash of autotune, cringeworthy bragging and CRAP wannabe wit. Seriously dreadful.

I didn't like Drake at first, or T.I., Nas, Kid Cudi, and half of the people I listen to now but they all grew on me. I really don't listen to Drake's sngles, what made me like him was the stuff that he made before. He's become really commercial now but I think that has a lot to do with the labels. I think he'll still be able to put great songs on his album. I agree to a point some of his songs are kind of bland at times but he's just starting off. When Em dropped "The Slim Shady LP" nobody, including Eminem himself, knew he would become as big and as great as he is now. Only time will tell.

Yeah but my only point is - You shouldn't have to convince yourself somebody is talented if you really think they are. I could try and convince myself Britney Spears' music has value and has good qualities to it and I'd probably have at least 1 or 2 plus points but it still sounds like a pile of shit at the end of it.

Nas, Kid Cudi, anybody I like sounded immediately good to me. Also, it's not just about his subject matter - Eminem could start rapping about bitches and money 24/7 but I still wouldn't say he 'sounded' shit. I could say I don't like his music now because of that - But his flow(s) and music would still sound good because he makes good music.

If somebody is good they should sound good regardless. Just like 50 Cent sounds shit regardless. It's not because of what he raps about, he just has an awful flow and embarrasingly bad lyrics.

Similarly, Drake I feel has a bad flow, often trying to rush words in like many bad flow-artists and nothing about his lyrics is impressive enough for me to pay attention to him.

And yes nobody could predict Eminem could evolve at such an amazing rate or become who he became. But what everybody could tell right away was that he was a force to be recogned with. I had no idea he'd get so much bigger and better but NONE of his material sounded bland, nothing made me think "yeah, this guy is okay, lets see what he does".

Instead his music grabbed hold of my brain cells and yelled THIS GUY IS A FUCKING GENIUS. Now, like you make the point - Obviously everybody can't do that. But Drake doesn't even inspire "This guy is pretty good". It's more like my brain shrugs, rolls it's eyes and says "He's an average lyricist... A boring rapper... Move on".

[slimsoxshady]

its the Drakeover


...and EminemBase, stop ruining every topic. We know you don't like this song or any other song like this, so no reason to come on here and say so 1000 times.

[EminemBase]

its the Drakeover


...and EminemBase, stop ruining every topic. We know you don't like this song or any other song like this, so no reason to come on here and say so 1000 times.

I'm not ruining the topic. I'm having a discussion with Adam unrelated from the song you turd.

[Robbie G]

I didn't care for it at all. imo the autotune was used poorly and the beat sucked. I'm not same Drake hater either.

He should have saved Best I Ever had for the first single...

[EminemBase]

^^ No no that's total nonsense to assume that just because I don't think what Drake says is clever and you do that I don't understand what he means. I relate perfectly to what he's saying and understand everything he's ever said, there's no errors in communication.

And like I've said time and time already - I don't give a shit how much he rhymes, I don't dislike him because he doesn't have complex rhyme schemes and I don't just like Em because he rhymes well. It's the things Em says that make him a genius. His character play, his irony, his tongue-in-cheek, his persona juggling and then of course, his delivery. The way he gets the most out of every word, the way he cuts words off half way through to emphasize a certain syllable... So many things.

Just like I understand everything Wayne says. But I don't find anything he says clever - I mean sure, he'll have the odd line that I go "wasn't bad" or "pretty good" but he's not consistently interesting, unique, refreshing or great. Just like Drake isn't to me.

And no I'm not confusing flow with anything I know perfectly well what flow is, just because we differ on opinion please don't assume I'm misunderstanding what we're disagreeing on, tremendous arrogance. I don't pay you that disjustice so don't do it to me.

Drake's flow is off. He often tries to fit too many words in awkwardly instead of writing and flowing it properly and as for his lyrics - Nothing he says impresses me. He's adequetly smooth, comes out with the odd OK line but that's it. His songs are bland, his delivery is boring and his lyrics are average at best. There's so many better.

And stop using this "oh just because he's not like Eminem" defence. Like I've already said AGAIN, I listen to many artists. Nas, B.o.B, Cudi, Mos Def, OutKast, A Tribe Called Quest, Redman, Method Man - MANY and I don't just value rappers on their rhyming. Yes you're right Cudi's lyrics aren't all that great but his delivery, his hook writing, his stylistic song making very much is and that makes him very unique. It's like "Sky Might Fall" - The layers and the sound of that chorus is so unique and beautiful. Totally refreshing, as is the concept. Drake's are just kid-like in comparison and the constant autotune is awful. His lyricism he can improve on. But Drake has nothing original to me and sounds nothing more than an average YouTube rapper.

[LilWayne4Life]

^^ No no that's total nonsense to assume that just because I don't think what Drake says is clever and you do that I don't understand what he means. I relate perfectly to what he's saying and understand everything he's ever said, there's no errors in communication.

And like I've said time and time already - I don't give a shit how much he rhymes, I don't dislike him because he doesn't have complex rhyme schemes and I don't just like Em because he rhymes well. It's the things Em says that make him a genius. His character play, his irony, his tongue-in-cheek, his persona juggling and then of course, his delivery. The way he gets the most out of every word, the way he cuts words off half way through to emphasize a certain syllable... So many things.

Just like I understand everything Wayne says. But I don't find anything he says clever - I mean sure, he'll have the odd line that I go "wasn't bad" or "pretty good" but he's not consistently interesting, unique, refreshing or great. Just like Drake isn't to me.

And no I'm not confusing flow with anything I know perfectly well what flow is, just because we differ on opinion please don't assume I'm misunderstanding what we're disagreeing on, tremendous arrogance. I don't pay you that disjustice so don't do it to me.

Drake's flow is off. He often tries to fit too many words in awkwardly instead of writing and flowing it properly and as for his lyrics - Nothing he says impresses me. He's adequetly smooth, comes out with the odd OK line but that's it. His songs are bland, his delivery is boring and his lyrics are average at best. There's so many better.

And stop using this "oh just because he's not like Eminem" defence. Like I've already said AGAIN, I listen to many artists. Nas, B.o.B, Cudi, Mos Def, OutKast, A Tribe Called Quest, Redman, Method Man - MANY and I don't just value rappers on their rhyming. Yes you're right Cudi's lyrics aren't all that great but his delivery, his hook writing, his stylistic song making very much is and that makes him very unique. It's like "Sky Might Fall" - The layers and the sound of that chorus is so unique and beautiful. Totally refreshing, as is the concept. Drake's are just kid-like in comparison and the constant autotune is awful. His lyricism he can improve on. But Drake has nothing original to me and sounds nothing more than an average YouTube rapper.

Then why are you in this thread for?

[EminemBase]

Then why are you in this thread for?

Because it's a discussion about his single.

I could ask you the same as to why you're on an Eminem fan forum when all you seem to do is trash him and try to put Wayne above him.

Serves the question, maybe go and butt-fuck Wayne on a Lil Wayne forum idiot.

[LilWayne4Life]

Then why are you in this thread for?

Because it's a discussion about his single.

I could ask you the same as to why you're on an Eminem fan forum when all you seem to do is trash him and try to put Wayne above him.

Serves the question, maybe go and butt-fuck Wayne on a Lil Wayne forum idiot.

That's funny because if i dislike an artist i wouldn't have clicked on there thread or press play in the first place. Knowing what i will be hearing from his/her previous work so you saying your here to discuss an artist which you dislike is bullshit, your just here to bash him and make drake and young money look bad and hopefully win fans over your "discussion" never a time when i said i do not like the overall em. However i said i dislike his new work like most of relapse but again i said im still a eminem fan from 1999-2005 so you can stop with that "im hating on eminem" because clearly that's not the case and yes i put wayne over eminem any day.

[slimsoxshady]

its the Drakeover


...and EminemBase, stop ruining every topic. We know you don't like this song or any other song like this, so no reason to come on here and say so 1000 times.

I'm not ruining the topic. I'm having a discussion with Adam unrelated from the song you turd.

except you ARE ruining this topic...and people try and argue with you but as i've noticed, they just leave becuase its hopeless...Mr. Quinn will do the same no doubt
...and if it's unrelated to the song - that is ruining the topic is it not?

[Satire]

its the Drakeover


...and EminemBase, stop ruining every topic. We know you don't like this song or any other song like this, so no reason to come on here and say so 1000 times.

I'm not ruining the topic. I'm having a discussion with Adam unrelated from the song you turd.

except you ARE ruining this topic...and people try and argue with you but as i've noticed, they just leave becuase its hopeless...Mr. Quinn will do the same no doubt
...and if it's unrelated to the song - that is ruining the topic is it not?

I don't think he ruins any topic. EmBase's opinions are usually a depiction of what the general fanbase thinks and agrees with, except he puts it in a more intelligent and descriptive attitude. He keeps shit interesting, and the way he ethers threads, derails arguments, and owns debates is occasionally fun to watch. Fuck, EmBase is probably a huge influence on the hip hop side of this board anyways. Everyone knows him, and look how many posers are trying to clone his style

And if you actually took the time to read his post, you'll know it's not too unrelated to the song itself. In fact, trying to get Embase to leave or shut up is ruining this topic more than him stating his opinion on it.

[Jumbo]

I love that single after listening a couple of times to it.. DOPE!