Joe Budden Vs. Arsonal

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DZK put out close to 100 dope songs in that span, Spoonfull has put out 52 songs his entire career.

Because he's a lazy, drug addicted piece of shit, is Spoonfull even signed to a label?

I know we've been over this before but who the fuck cares how much effect he puts on his voice. His final product >>>>>>>>> *

And yes, he repeats concepts but that's why he's so good. He can put out 200 songs of the same style but every single song is different and unique showing how creative he is with his style.

There's no arguing with a stan, lol. "Dope" is perception. Just because he put out 100 songs doesn't mean they are automatically better than the 20 or so that Spoon put out in that same time period.

I've only ever liked 3 or 4 DZK songs. Why? Because he's only put out 3 or 4 songs that are original and don't repeat themselves.

No, Spoon isn't signed. That's not the point, though. And this isn't about Spoon, he was just an example. There are plenty of other examples I could use. Spoon did go on tour, though.. Europe, etc.

Who cares how many effects he puts on his voice? A lot of people, actually. That's why he'll never live off from hip hop and will always be a broke addict; he has no real talent with his voice. He CAN'T play live because his voice is attrocious without effects. A lot of people care. Asking that question is ignorant, lol.

And yes, he repeats concepts but that's why he's so good

Really? That's why he's good? Because he can repeat concepts and the few fans he actually has will praise him no matter what he does? You just contradicted yourself.. You said he repeats concepts then said they're unique. That doesn't make any sense at all. DZK hasn't been unique since before 07, lol.

There's no arguing with a stan, as I said before. You'll just keep running around in circles saying the same things you've been saying in every post.

DZK is trash.

[classthe_king]

There's no arguing with a stan, lol. "Dope" is perception. Just because he put out 100 songs doesn't mean they are automatically better than the 20 or so that Spoon put out in that same time period.

And you thinking he's not dope is also perception, so either of us saying anything is pointless.

I've only ever liked 3 or 4 DZK songs. Why? Because he's only put out 3 or 4 songs that are original and don't repeat themselves.

No, it's because you don't like his style. If you actually listened to his songs you would know that he only repeats his horrorcore style but not the ideas themselves. I've never listend to A DZK verse I HAVEN'T liked while I've listened to tons of Slug, Eyedea, Spoonfull, ect songs I don't like.

No, Spoon isn't signed. That's not the point, though. And this isn't about Spoon, he was just an example. There are plenty of other examples I could use. Spoon did go on tour, though.. Europe, etc.

So in an attempt to point out why DZK sucks you mentioned he isn't signed then you bring up another rapper who isn't signed as an example of why he's better than him. Makes sense.

Who cares how many effects he puts on his voice? A lot of people, actually. That's why he'll never live off from hip hop and will always be a broke addict; he has no real talent with his voice. He CAN'T play live because his voice is attrocious without effects. A lot of people care. Asking that question is ignorant, lol.

Him living off of Hip-Hop and putting effects on his voice is irrelevant tbh because that doesn't mean he doesn't make good music. Waka is living off Hip-Hop, he must be good right?

And yes, he repeats concepts but that's why he's so good

Really? That's why he's good? Because he can repeat concepts and the few fans he actually has will praise him no matter what he does? You just contradicted yourself.. You said he repeats concepts then said they're unique. That doesn't make any sense at all. DZK hasn't been unique since before 07, lol.

There's no arguing with a stan, as I said before. You'll just keep running around in circles saying the same things you've been saying in every post.

DZK is trash.

Way to not post the rest of my quote. DZK repeats his horrorcore style and content in every song but the actual lyrics themselves are completely unique in every song. By that logic I could just say Sadistik sucks because he uses the same abstract content in every song or Slug sucks because he uses the same story telling content in every song.

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And you thinking he's not dope is also perception, so either of us saying anything is pointless.

No, it's fact.

No, it's because you don't like his style. If you actually listened to his songs you would know that he only repeats his horrorcore style but not the ideas themselves. I've never listend to A DZK verse I HAVEN'T liked while I've listened to tons of Slug, Eyedea, Spoonfull, ect songs I don't like.

I don't like his style? I loved his style before it became repetative nonsense and he repeated everything over and over again. He doesn't just keep the same STYLE, he repeats concepts, rhyme schemes, etc. He sounds the same on every song.

So in an attempt to point out why DZK sucks you mentioned he isn't signed then you bring up another rapper who isn't signed as an example of why he's better than him. Makes sense.

It does make sense in context. There were also two other questions you failed to mention: "Why has he never made money off of it?" and "Why has he only played a live show once?".. See, despite the fact Spoon was just an example--as I mentioned, but you conveniently left out--Spoon has done 2 out of the 3. Being singed isn't important, but it solidifies the fact DZK is not as good as you make him out to be.

A better example, and a great example to refute your claim of "He made better music in that time perdiod than anyone else," would be Slug. Slug put out close to 5(?) albums from 04-07. All of better quality and standard than DZK ever thought of being, while touring consistantly.

Him living off of Hip-Hop and putting effects on his voice is irrelevant tbh because that doesn't mean he doesn't make good music. Waka is living off Hip-Hop, he must be good right?

It's hardly irrelevant. In context, it (not living off hip hop and playing live shows) displays the fact he has no real talent. He relies on electronics to sound listenable.. Even then, his voice is annoying as shit after just 2 or 3 songs. Bringing up waka is a terrible attempt to take what is said out of context.

Way to not post the rest of my quote.

You put a period at the end of that quote, meaning it was the end of your thought. Meaning I quoted you correctly without taking anything out of context.

DZK repeats his horrorcore style and content in every song but the actual lyrics themselves are completely unique in every song.

This is where you're wrong. He repeats a ton of concepts and lyrics.
inb4 you ask for examples. I can't be bothered listening to 30 DZK songs to prove my point. I know I'm right.

By that logic I could just say Sadistik sucks because he uses the same abstract content in every song

You could. That would be your opinion. Although, again, you're taking it out of context. I don't care that DZK repeats his horrocore style. It's the fact he repeats the same concepts. How many songs does he have about doing pills? Exactly. How many songs does he have about being the most evilest person in existance? Exactly.

or Slug sucks because he uses the same story telling content in every song.

Storytelling does not equal content. You could say this if Slug told the same story more than once, but he hasn't. Ever.

Also, this has nothing to do with the debate except for the fact you mentioned Slug and storytelling, but Slug only started storytelling after Seven's travels which was released in 2005. DZK has been doing the same shit his whole "career". And even then, Slug doesn't always tell stories.

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So basically you don't have any real argument, you're just going to repeat the same shit of he repeats the same content (no he doesn't), he uses too any effects on his voice (who cares) and he can't play live (who cares), none of which has anything to do his music.

Just admit that DZK is sick and you only hate on him because of what happened between him and Maybe.

[Satire]

What happened between him and Maybe?

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So basically you don't have any real argument, you're just going to repeat the same shit of he repeats the same content (no he doesn't), he uses too any effects on his voice (who cares) and he can't play live (who cares), none of which has anything to do his music.

Just admit that DZK is sick and you only hate on him because of what happened between him and Maybe.

Did you really just post that bullshit? lol. My argument is perfectly clear: You over-hype DZK to the point your small intestine is most likely fused to his scrotum. Oh, and you just tried to steal what I said by saying that I have no real argument (because you really don't)

DZK DOES repeat content.
DZK DOES use too many effects because his voice sucks balls.
DZK DOES not play live because his voice sucks.

Tell me where he's going to go? Being able to write decently isn't going to get him anywhere. That's evident by the fact he HASN'T GOTTEN ANYWHERE in 12 years of making music. He's on the same level as every other wannabe internet rapper out there. Literally the same level.

I don't need to prove anything because it's all there. You over-hype this guy beyond any fathomable means.

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Instead of posting that little post trying to take the heat off yourself--while changing the subject--, why didn't you just attempt to refute what my breakdown of your post? Is it because my breakdown is pretty much accurate and there's no argument that would validate your opinion without some form of exaggeration and reaching? Yes. Yes I believe that would be it, sir.

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Did you really just post that bullshit? lol. My argument is perfectly clear: You over-hype DZK to the point your small intestine is most likely fused to his scrotum. Oh, and you just tried to steal what I said by saying that I have no real argument (because you really don't)

No, I have an argument. DZK has an amazing delivery, an amazing flow, great multis and incredibly vivid and creative lyrics. You have no argument

DZK DOES repeat content.

Where?

DZK DOES use too many effects because his voice sucks balls.

So, how can he help that? Your voice is not a talent. It's what you're born with. You're actually proving my point by showingthat DZK has a talent for making his voice sound better.

DZK DOES not play live because his voice sucks.

Irrelevant to his music

Tell me where he's going to go? Being able to write decently isn't going to get him anywhere. That's evident by the fact he HASN'T GOTTEN ANYWHERE in 12 years of making music. He's on the same level as every other wannabe internet rapper out there. Literally the same level.

All also irrelevant to his music. He hasn't gotten anywhere because he's a lazy drug addict and he makes extremely hardcore music that wouldn't be received well by anyone other than hardcore hip-hop fans.

I don't need to prove anything because it's all there. You over-hype this guy beyond any fathomable means.

Obviously not.

Instead of posting that little post trying to take the heat off yourself--while changing the subject--, why didn't you just attempt to refute what my breakdown of your post? Is it because my breakdown is pretty much accurate and there's no argument that would validate your opinion without some form of exaggeration and reaching? Yes. Yes I believe that would be it, sir.

Because I would have said the exact same things as in the previous post.

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Now you're boring me and repeating yourself. "You have no argument!!" My argument is clear to anyone who isn't a stan and can think logically.

DZK's voice (or lack thereof) does effect his career (again, or lack thereof).. It's the reason he doesn't have one.

Your over-hype is laughable at best.

EDIT: Just saw this. "He's too hardcore for anyone except hardcore rap fans" Then why have people like ICP, Diabolic and Immortal Technique all made a living off from their music? He's not nearly as hardcore someone like RA the rugged man or Necro. Yet they both make a living, as well.

where?

inb4 you ask me for examples. I can't be bothered listening to 30 DZK songs to prove my point. I know I'm right

Sad day, Class. Sad day.

Stop hyping someone who doesn't deserve it.

[Master_Percussionist]

DZK is more consistent at his genre than Spoonfull or Hibe. He also is more original than either one. I'm sure I could attract fans if I stole my entire person from Slug, Eyedea, and Brother Ali.

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Irrelevantbabble

So you have no real disses on his music besides that same old bullshit?

Concession accepted.

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Irrelevantbabble

So you have no real disses on his music besides that same old bullshit?

Concession accepted.

I wasn't dissing his previous music at all, lol. I was saying that since 2007 his music is shit. You know this and it hurt your feelings. As such, you try to weasel out of the argument by making your last 4 posts have absolutely nothing to do with the argument.

Also, bullshit? It's clear to anyone who isn't stuck up DZK's ass that my argument holds many valid points. Yours, on the other hand, has said nothing. "Who cares about his voice1!!" << Yeah, Class, he's just a RAPPER.. Who cares how a rapper's voice sounds? How ridiculous of me to argue such a futile point. I mean, rappers don't use their voices, right?

"Who cares if he doesn't play live!!!" Yeah, because anyone who makes music doesn't know that an artist makes upwards of 75% of their income from shows and tours. How irrelevant to an argument about a rapper never having made it anywhere in 12 years. I mean, that couldn't be one of the distinct reasons he's virtually unknown, right?


C'mon, Class.. You're heavily outclassed here. You know I'm right.

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I wasn't dissing his previous music at all, lol. I was saying that since 2007 his music is shit. You know this and it hurt your feelings. As such, you try to weasel out of the argument by making your last 4 posts have absolutely nothing to do with the argument.

o rly?

He's a mediocre lyricist with decent concepts. I should say WAS a mediocre lyricist. He's not even that anymore

That sounds like you're dissing his previous music to me.

And I only said he was making great music from 04-07, I've said many times that he's fallen off recently but I still have high hopes for his album.

Also, bullshit? It's clear to anyone who isn't stuck up DZK's ass that my argument holds many valid points. Yours, on the other hand, has said nothing.

DZK has an amazing delivery, an amazing flow, great multis and incredibly vivid and creative lyrics. You have no argument

"Who cares about his voice1!!" << Yeah, Class, he's just a RAPPER.. Who cares how a rapper's voice sounds? How ridiculous of me to argue such a futile point. I mean, rappers don't use their voices, right?

Nice strawman argument. I never said "who cares about his voice," I said "who cares about the effects he puts on his voice to make it sound the way it does." Because DZK has an amazing voice on his songs. You can say whatever you want about how he uses 1000000 effects, that's irrelevant.

"Who cares if he doesn't play live!!!" Yeah, because anyone who makes music doesn't know that an artist makes upwards of 75% of their income from shows and tours. How irrelevant to an argument about a rapper never having made it anywhere in 12 years. I mean, that couldn't be one of the distinct reasons he's virtually unknown, right?

And who cares about his career. This doesn't have anything to do with his success as a rapper, this has to do with you saying he was a mediocre lyricist. Which is just blantantly wrong. Besides, thousands of people enjoy DZK's music, I'd say that's pretty successful.

C'mon, Class.. You're heavily outclassed here. You know I'm right.

No, you're wrong.

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In a previous post, that I really can't be bothered to look up, you said something along the lines of "who cares about his real voice? It's what you're born with, he can't change it" or something to that extent. Yes, Class, you did. Don't call fallacies when you're wrong, lol.

Saying DZK is a mediocre lyricist isn't dissing him at all. It's pointing out that he's a mediocre lyricist. Just because YOU praise him, doesn't mean that by not praising him, I'm dissing him.. That's terrible logic.


So because of the fact (literally) a few thousand people have heard of him, he's successful? Your standards of success are very, very low.

And yes, his success has EVERYTHING to do with it. Well, maybe not everything but it's a huge part of the argument. My argument was that you over-hype him. Lack of success and lyricism, not playing live shows, been making music for 12 years and gotten nowhere.. They all play a role in the bigger picture of the argument, Class. It's not just a one dimensional thought; it's everything to do with him that you're over-hyping.

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In a previous post, that I really can't be bothered to look up, you said something along the lines of "who cares about his real voice? It's what you're born with, he can't change it" or something to that extent. Yes, Class, you did. Don't call fallacies when you're wrong, lol.

I said who cares about his real voice, it's the voice on the record that matters.

Saying DZK is a mediocre lyricist isn't dissing him at all. It's pointing out that he's a mediocre lyricist. Just because YOU praise him, doesn't mean that by not praising him, I'm dissing him.. That's terrible logic.

Saying he's a mediocre lyricist is dissing him.

So because of the fact (literally) a few thousand people have heard of him, he's successful? Your standards of success are very, very low.

Maybe your standards of success are very, very high?

And yes, his success has EVERYTHING to do with it. Well, maybe not everything but it's a huge part of the argument. My argument was that you over-hype him. Lack of success and lyricism, not playing live shows, been making music for 12 years and gotten nowhere.. They all play a role in the bigger picture of the argument, Class. It's not just a one dimensional thought; it's everything to do with him that you're over-hyping.

I never said he was successful, I never said he was a great performer, I never said he had gotten anywwhere. I wasn't overhyping him in anyway at all. I said he was a great lyricist and makes great music. That's not overhyping him, that's stating facts, facts that you have done nothing to disprove.