You'd have a point Class, but you know what completely refutes your argument? Nineteen Ninety Now, an album with unreleased beats all from 94, and by many people's admission, it's one of the best album of last year. And the production is a huge reason as to why it was recieved so openly, so what does that tell you about us having better beats than what was made back than.
By many people's admission? Appeal to popularity? I'm not quite sure what that is. Besides, in my next post I basically said beats are all subjective so it doesn't matter.
I'll give you that a lot of Mcs flows are more versatile now, but wtf, old school rappers (pre 97?) had tons of unique flows, Siah and Yeshua, Dr Octagon, ODB, Andre 3000
I haven't listened to any of Siah and Yeshu, a little bit of Dr. Octagon, ODB's Wu-Tang stuff (where I cound't tell them apart anyway) and I've always said Andre 3000 was overrated.
Well both were released in the 2000's and aren't mainstream so...underground
What would Blackalicious' Blazing Arrow (2002) fall under?
Or MOTU (2000)?
Well they were both released in the 2000's and he's not mainstream so...underground
Hold on there, I can accept Copywrite, Vakill, and Possessed having better punchlines than Big L, but NO WAY in hell does Chino Xl have better punchlines than Big L. They were all just corny non sequiters that are beyond forced and 90 percent are horrible allusions to current events and him trying his hardest to be clever at it, but failing miserably
Also take into account his horrid delivery of the punchlines, as opposed to Big L, who had much better clarity, and you could tell when he's saying a punchline, and not miss it.
Okay? I still won 3 out of 4.
Are lyrics your only reason for listening to rap music, do you not enjoy it by musicality alone. Does everything have to be 100 percent complex in order to be a good verse?
9 times out of 10
When he gets the discography to back it up, than we'll talk. Oh and touch up on his delivery as well.
Discographies don't really matter to me, plus he fell off so his discog is not going to come close.
This is beyond wrong, mafioso and ghetto rap are nothing alike.
Ghetto rap=illmatic
Mafioso rap=IWW
Hell Nas was criticized for switching over to Mafioso and being a sell out for doing that.
Shit happens
Don't start throwing these absolute statements as facts.
I don't even remember the original context but way to take it out of context
The actual content of the song no, but the musicality of it sure.
But the content of it isn't...my point
Stop professing YOUR subjective tastes as fact, it's getting annoying. Not everything has to be deep in order for it to be great, execution is important as well, and can turn a mundande concept into something much more than it is.
And all of that was executed great?
I can agree with this, Slick Rick is sacred cowed to death in terms of story telling ability.
Deffinitely.
The best I can offer as a counter is Ghostface's verse on Impossible, but they obviously have different goals, and aren't reaching for the same concept.
You've showed this to me before I'm pretty sure
Nas is a great storyteller and can easily keep up with the best of them.
Oh and he doesn't have creative concepts?
I gave you power, Project Roach, Fetus, Unauthorized Biography, Doo Rags, Last Real ***** Alive, Rewind, Poppa was a Playa
I said he does have a point with Nas, meaning he is a good storytelling and does have good concepts
@Xray, Influence and success have nothing to do with who's better
