Nas - Oochie Wally

[classthe_king]

^^^^Eminembase said that what Nas did was worse than what Eminem did, so of course which song was better has to come into the conversation.

I win. As always.

[VenomBlackViper]

I like this argument, it's something simple even the children can understand yet it's still entertaining for the adults. Kind of like watching re runs of Courage The Cowardly Dog or Cow And Chicken.

[EminemBase]

^^^^Eminembase said that what Nas did was worse than what Eminem did, so of course which song was better has to come into the conversation.

I win. As always.

I said that it's a different category, due to the intent and that it's worse to intend to do something, and fail on intent (and execution, two fronts) than it is just to fail on execution alone (one front). As it's failing on multiple fronts.

I didn't say what Nas did was worse than what Eminem did (as in lyrically or rap wise), because that would be focusing on their specific performances. Which is irrelevant to my point. So it's a distraction. I couldn't care less which you think is better on that front, that's such a lame / boring thing to debate.

Again, you're focusing on the specific songs and failing to see the bigger picture. Doesn't matter what I think of either song, you just can't understand the logic. Because you're dumb.

So you lose. As always.

[VenomBlackViper]

Shout out to my nikkas Blu, DerdyPK, Raids God & Miller1121. Swag up.

[classthe_king]

Eminembase, I think you think that you're so smart that when you think something you must automatically assume that it's right and will stick by it no matter what. Eminem's song is much worse than Nas' song, that is fact, REGARDLESS of their intentions. If Eminem intended to make a song stupid as fuck, and it was, that is NOT a good thing.That only makes him fail even more. Try and comprehend that for a second.

[FreeSpeech]

Eminembase, I think you think that you're so smart that when you think something you must automatically assume that it's right and will stick by it no matter what.

That's what you do in literally every single post, just FYI.

[EminemBase]

Eminembase, I think you think that you're so smart that when you think something you must automatically assume that it's right and will stick by it no matter what. Eminem's song is much worse than Nas' song, that is fact, REGARDLESS of their intentions. If Eminem intended to make a song stupid as fuck, and it was, that is NOT a good thing.That only makes him fail even more. Try and comprehend that for a second.

Lmfao. You have to be kidding me.

The irony in your post is astounding, and the fact you don't realize it is even more so... you've proven yourself to be a fucking idiot yet again.

- You say that I think I'm so smart that if I think something, I assume that it's right no matter what?

Nas on Oochie Wally is better than Big Weenie. That is fact.

No, you see... what I do - is argue my point, and back my point up with logic. I don't state subjective opinion as fact and say it can't be challenged. That's what bigots aka you do. What I do is use reason and logic to make points that I can repeat, with that same reason and logic.

And repeatedly you fail to understand that reason.

For the past few posts you've been stating your opinion as fact and arguing a different point to me, totally oblivious to it. Firstly, it is NOT I repeat NOT a fact that "Oochie Wally" is a better song than "Big Weenie" no matter how much you think it is.

You cannot prove that. That is not a fact. It's a fact that it's not a fact. And if you're so arrogant as to not accept that you seriously are deluded. Regardless of what I or anybody thinks of the songs, you cannot state a song is better, as a fact. Logically, that does not work. Period.

Because taste, is not measurable. Or objective.

Secondly, you still continue to argue which song is better despite the fact I've stated again. And again, and again... and again that, that's totally irrelevant to what I am saying and I'm not even arguing which is better. And it's not about that.

It doesn't make it worse if he intended to do that.

If a song is intended to be stupid, and is stupid but fails in execution - it fails on one front.
If a song is intended to be smart, and is stupid but fails in execution - it fails on two fronts.

Again, this is not specifically about "Oochie Wally" and "Big Weenie", that can apply to any two songs which fit that description. So, how is a song that fails on two fronts NOT a bigger fail than a song which fails on one front?

Try and get that into your thick skull you fucking retard.

[classthe_king]

They real irony is that you think I didn't understand the irony. I'm being stupid on purpose, get it? I'm Eminem

Secondly, no. You're wrong.

If song A is intended to be stupid, and is stupid but fails in execution - it fails on one front.
If song B is intended to be a bullshit party song, and a bullshit party song but fails in execution - it fails on one front.

If song B is better than song A then the creator of song A fails more than the creator of song B. You cannot argue that Big Weenie is better. Period.

Now try and get that through your thick skull.

[EminemBase]

:laughing:

They real irony is that you think I didn't understand the irony. I'm being stupid on purpose, get it? I'm Eminem

No you're just a total retard bigot who thinks his opinion is fact.

I realize you're overstating it by saying it's fact you fool, but I know that you still genuinely believe that. You're hiding behind the overstatement but if somebody was to say "Big Weenie" is better you'd what... react like that's their preference... ?

No. You'd react like they thought 2+2 = 5. You do think it's fact.

Secondly, no. You're wrong.

If song A is intended to be stupid, and is stupid but fails in execution - it fails on one front.
If song B is intended to be a bullshit party song, and a bullshit party song but fails in execution - it fails on one front.

If song B is better than song A then the creator of song A fails more than the creator of song B. You cannot argue that Big Weenie is better. Period.

Now try and get that through your thick skull.

Once AGAIN. You focus on the two specific songs and... I mean... are you reading my responses or, you just do not seem to... the information just doesn't seem to register.

Okay let me try um...
CLASS, HELLO CLASS? HELLO? OKAY, LISTEN UP:

I - AM - NOT - ARGUING - WHETHER - THE - SONG - BIG - WEENIE - IS BETTER - THAN OOCHIE WALLY - YOU - TOTAL - MORON.

I - HAVE - BEEN - ARGUING - THAT - A SONG - WHICH - FAILS - ON INTENT - AND - EXECUTION - IS - WORSE - THAN - A SONG - THAT FAILS - ONLY IN - EXECUTION.

I - HAVE - ALSO - BEEN - ARGUING - THAT - IF AN ARTIST - INTENDS SOMETHING - THEN - TO SAY - THE SONG - FAILS - FOR THAT INTENT - IS - RETARDED.

Eminem intended "Big Weenie" to be ridiculous. And it is. Therefore, calling it ridiculous as if it fails for being ridiculous is pure stupidity and failure to realize intent.

I've been arguing that intent changes how the song should be judged, you've been arguing if "Big Weenie" is worse than "Oochie Wally". You're so fucking stupid. I haven't even commented on fucking "Oochie Wally" you keep bringing that into it like I'm comparing them.

From the beginning, I was only ever arguing about Eminem's intent. I never brought "Oochie Wally" into it yet you keep comparing them like I'm debating which is better.

GET ON TRACK.

[classthe_king]

No You don't know what I'm saying.

I know what you're saying. You're saying that a song that fails on intent and execution is worse than a song that only fails in execution.

I'm saying that a song who fails in execution much more miserably than the other song, and while they may have succeeded on intention, the intention they succeeded on is still worse than the failed intention of the other song, is worse that the other song.


Get it? Probably not, because you're the most close minded idiot I've ever spoken to.

[EminemBase]

I'm saying that a song who fails in execution much more miserably than the other song, and while they may have succeeded on intention, the intention they succeeded on is still worse than the failed intention of the other song, is worse that the other song.

Get it? Probably not, because you're the most close minded idiot I've ever spoken to.

You make no fucking sense.

I started this debate saying Eminem intending "Big Weenie" to be ridiculous changes it entirely. And, you seem to think calling it ridiculous like it was accidental, as if... it failed for being ridiculous makes sense. That's the bottom line.

Me closed minded? you really need to read back your own posts. Shall we go back to your 'logic conclusion' list? as, it's cringing. You're a total bigot. And a total moron.

Learn what closed minded means. Closed minded does not mean arguing your point till the death, if your point is logical. Closed minded does not mean disagreeing with you (specifically you). Which, I'm sure you think it does mean that.

[FreeSpeech]

Get it? Probably not, because you're the most close minded idiot I've ever spoken to.

Huh.
I always pictured you as the kinda kid that talked to himself at lunch. Guess not...

[classthe_king]

No lololololololoolololol, someone said this was the worst song ever by a great artist and someone said no, Big Weenie is worse than this song. Then you started arguing how this song was more of a fail than Big Weenie. Which it is not.

[EminemBase]

No lololololololoolololol, someone said this was the worst song ever by a great artist and someone said no, Big Weenie is worse than this song. Then you started arguing how this song was more of a fail than Big Weenie. Which it is not.

This is actually what I said:
Those aren't in the same category as Eminem is intentionally being retarded. You can say they're awful songs but... Nas' song for example - he's attempted to make a song come across as good and... quality and it comes across as corny and bad. It's a failure.

Firstly:

My entire argument from the beginning was that they're not in the same category. This is my very first post, do you see me saying "Big Weenie" is a better song than "Oochie Wally"? No. Not that I'm saying which is better even now, again, that is totally irrelevant to my point.

I argued that "Oochie Wally" is a different kind of failure.

Notice that I said 'for example' about Nas' song, as - I was using this song as 'an example' because we are in this thread, so it's what we were using to platform the discussion off. But I continuously avoided specifically addressing the song and speaking in more general terms, as my only true debate was intent and how intent changes the category. And whether X song succeeds in said way.

Yet, every post... you continued to argue "Big Weenie" is worse than "Oochie Wally"

And where are we now? we're five pages deep and what are you still doing? well, you just ended your post by once again stating "Big Weenie" is worse than "Oochie Wally". And you're not a moron you say? could of fooled me.

Throughout the pages I've been using these songs as loose examples but again, speaking in general terms yet you continue to try and argue which song out of these two specifically is the better song. Totally missing the point and arguing a much lesser, more specific and more mundane argument which... I couldn't care less for.

You're one seriously mentally challenged puppy.

[VenomBlackViper]

This thread caused 2 smart members to argue over 2 horrible rap songs.



I really don't see the point of this, they both suck why even bother debating which one sucks more or the reasons why. Absolutely nothing is going to come out of it.