Kanye West's album is DONE? And it'll be very dark!

[Almostlity]

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/148 ... d-fantasy/

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/14380-recovery/

lel.

[SlimBG]

Kanye has produced and created some fresh and new songs I agree, but that doesn't mean that it's necessarily classic.His first two albums and good to great albums, Graduation is a really nice album with enjoyable songs but it's just that, not a classic.The auto-tune one is really shit though, that voice is seriously so annoying.How can anyone call THIS a classic is beyond me.Only MBDTF is worthy of that description, now that is an epic album.

[testmon112]

I'm not suggesting he's shit, College Dropout, Late Registration are great Albums. But I hate the fact that everything he touches is 'high art'. I look forward to his new album.

[EminemBase]

Nice, can't wait.

Glad Em and Kanye will be competing for album of the year (don't literally mean that Grammy, I just mean recognition in general) accolades too... as I know how much Kanye values recognition and watches what others do, so I'll be interested to see what he thinks of Em's new work too...

They're both at points where they've done a lot and seem on a big scale, like... everybody is watching them and their next work somehow feels crucial and important... and both supposedly dark... we should be in for great fucking hip-hop this year.

[cheeseburger]

For people that matter in hiphop, Em will shit on Kanye albumwise.
For fucks sake, i cant even understand why its arguable.

Kanye is a beast at what he does, but all in all he cant compete. Plus i cant stand him..

[EminemBase]

That's your opinion though, i consider none of his albums classic since I can't go trough any of them without getting ultra fucking bored. The only one that I might consider classic is mbdtf.

that's not only my opinion
For example, an album like The College dropout will always be mentioned amongst the very best albums (all genre) of the previous decade and an album like MBDTF used to be the standard for more than 2 years.
An individual doesn't give the classic status to an album, of course you don't have to like his albums but Most of them were serving as standards of excellence and it's easy to see that he influenced a lot of artists

if kanye doesn't have classic albums then I don't know how 50 Cent or Eminem can have classic albums

Don't know how Em can?

SSLP, MMLP (ESPECIALLY THIS, ESPECIALLY!!) and TES are fucking galaxies beyond any of Kanye's albums, not just in rhyming - in artistry.

Kanye does not come... close to the Eminem of MMLP. That album is a skull-fucking classic which is about as provocative, political, daring and clever as any that I've heard.

I wouldn't put 50 anywhere fucking near Em in a sentence either lmao.

I love Kanye... I wouldn't call his first two classics though, but I've never been as big a fan of the production aspect, which is what they're mostly praised for.

My favourite Kanye album is Graduation, and I would call that a classic.

But Eminem, in his element, as an artist... there's no comparison. His ideas, his wit; concepts, the way he approaches politics or gets points across, his humour, his vocal performance, his mastery of all the elements of delivery, drama, performance... he's a different league.

Kanye is amazing because of the combination of his ambitions, but he's not half the artist Em is in most respects, and MMLP towers above anything he's done. Easily.

[cheeseburger]

And once again, Embase covers all our thoughts in one beautiful long ass post. Well played, well played.

[Shameek]

And once again, Embase covers all our thoughts in one beautiful long ass post. Well played, well played.

No offense to Eminembase but he didn't cover anything.

I'm new here and I already think that eminembase is repeating himself everyday and he completely missed the point. We all know that he loves Eminem, we all know what he thinks about Eminem first albums but kanye first album is a classic and his album is maybe more of a classic than SSLP.

He can share his opinion if he wants but he isn't going to remake the history, Kanye first album and 50 first album are classic

[King Lance]

And once again, Embase covers all our thoughts in one beautiful long ass post. Well played, well played.

No offense to Eminembase but he didn't cover anything.

I'm new here and I already think that eminembase is repeating himself everyday and he completely missed the point. We all know that he loves Eminem, we all know what he thinks about Eminem first albums but kanye first album is a classic and his album is maybe more of a classic than SSLP.

He can share his opinion if he wants but he isn't going to remake the history, Kanye first album and 50 first album are classic

"remake the history", very interesting words lol, nobody has the absolute knowledge but I think that some people tend to give the classic status to an album just to please themselves.
It doesn't work like that, an individual will NEVER give the classic status to an album and I think that these albums are considered as classic.

I always laugh when people are like " well, I don't like 2 songs, therefore it's not a classic", " oh shit, autotone ! how can we call that album a classic is beyond me !"...
I might be wrong but one thing is sure, It's more than a personal opinion, it's more than your personal perception of the quality of that album and it has nothing to do with the rapping.

That's exactly why I said " if kanye doesn't have classic albums then I don't know how 50 Cent or Eminem can have classic albums"

People here can hate Kanye west, they can say whatever they want to feel more secure but it won't change anything. People here talk about MBDTF because they know the album had a huge impact but kanye first album is more of a classic than mbdtf.
I also love when people say things like that " nobody talk about this album as a classic lolol" ... they always complain because this album is on every list instead of TSSLP and they always complain because "16 years old kids still dickride this album"

We could see what an album like College Dropout did and what kind of changes it brought, and how it moved things forward in a new direction. Time has allowed us to gauge it's impact and influence and the album became a standard of excellence for the other debut albums.

I might be wrong but If Eminem first albums are classic albums, it's not because I think these albums are good, or because I love Eminem skills, they are classic albums because of how the quality of the album was generally received and it has everything to do with it's impact and influence. His first albums became a part of that musical culture, they are the standards by which all coming hip-hop album are measured and Kanye West's first album, 50 Cent - Get Rich Or Die Tryin are considered as classic albums for the same reasons.

[EminemBase]

And once again, Embase covers all our thoughts in one beautiful long ass post. Well played, well played.

No offense to Eminembase but he didn't cover anything.

I'm new here and I already think that eminembase is repeating himself everyday and he completely missed the point. We all know that he loves Eminem, we all know what he thinks about Eminem first albums but kanye first album is a classic and his album is maybe more of a classic than SSLP.

He can share his opinion if he wants but he isn't going to remake the history, Kanye first album and 50 first album are classic

College Dropout more of a classic than SSLP...

There's more creativity in a single song from SSLP than the entirety of CD.

How is it more of a classic?

[space_bone]

Regardless Rolling Stones is the last place I would put my credibility in for a Hip-Hop review.

or any review for that matter. asskissers!

[King Lance]

And once again, Embase covers all our thoughts in one beautiful long ass post. Well played, well played.

No offense to Eminembase but he didn't cover anything.

I'm new here and I already think that eminembase is repeating himself everyday and he completely missed the point. We all know that he loves Eminem, we all know what he thinks about Eminem first albums but kanye first album is a classic and his album is maybe more of a classic than SSLP.

He can share his opinion if he wants but he isn't going to remake the history, Kanye first album and 50 first album are classic

College Dropout more of a classic than SSLP...

There's more creativity in a single song from SSLP than the entirety of CD.

How is it more of a classic?

I think there is more creativity in SSLP than Doggystyle and I might be wrong but, Doggystyle is more of a classic than SSLP isn't it ?

I think you are talking about what you personally think about this album (and I definitely agree with you) while we are talking about the role they play in the musical culture, impact, influence, etc (=/= popularity)

[SlimBG]

Eminem is one of the best rappers of all time, the rhyming on his first three albums is simply amazing.Kanye though is not a good rapper, only okay at times and mostly delivers with his production.His rhyming is really below average.

[Kill You]

Lance, if we're going off popularity, impact, and influence then Eminem has Kanye beat in all of those categories. There is NOTHING innovating about The College Dropout, it's just nice music.

[King Lance]

Lance, if we're going off popularity, impact, and influence then Eminem has Kanye beat in all of those categories. There is NOTHING innovating about The College Dropout, it's just nice music.

I didn't talk about the commercial impact or about the popularity, and for the rest, it's your opinion tbh, I would say that it's easily one of the greatest albums of the 2000s but it's also my opinion.

Maybe you don't like the college dropout but how isn't it a classic ? because you don't consider Kanye as a great MC ? then it's fair to say that Thriller isn't a classic because MJ wasn't able to rhyme.
Nobody said that Kanye was a better rapper than Eminem, but you can be an average rapper and make a great album, and you can be a talented rapper and make a mediocre album. Nobody care if you are a skilled mc, people want to listen to great music, they want a great album, we don't all want to listen to some acapella freestyles on our ipod.

Not only TCD was one of the most acclaimed debut (and often mentioned by the reviews as the best album of the 2000s), it is still a standard for the other debut albums and even gkmc and LLA (2012/2013) were compared to college dropout by the listeners, artists, reviews, etc.

Nothing innovating about TCD ? it's because we are in 2013 but the originality and style on “The College Dropout” was something that had been lacking in the industry for some time. Sure there were hip-hop veterans who tried to release great music, but there was something about Kanye that made him stand out. Kanye introduced himself to the world in a different way and that album influenced a lot of artists, it's just that we are in 2013 and it doesn't sound innovative anymore, just like Doggystyle or The Chronic don't sound innovative anymore but you can't forget these albums, they all captured a moment in time.

TCD wasn't just a popular album, it influenced some artists, it was extremely well received and it's still a standard of excellence.
Some of the members here will come with the usual "overrated" argument but then again, it's a proof that this album is a part of this culture or the word "overrated" wouldn't make any sense. You think it's just a nice album but a lot of other people think it's a fucking amazing and it has nothing to do with the popularity ! Popular albums like The BluePrint 3 and The carter 4 have never been considered as classic albums but an underground album like Below The heavens is widely considered as a classic