Relapse is Epic

[Lokito4]

True that...
The Relpase isn't even that bad of an album I kind of liked mozt of the songs.
When I first heard it I thought it was whack but its pretty good. Better than other albums that have came out.

[kevinh]

encore was better

[Relapse.LP]

Relapse just didn't hit me where it should have.

[Lokito4]

Yeah it did a lil bit... not really as much but it still kicked Tha Carter 3's ass!

[Bruce]

this album is nowhere near MMLP or TES but is better than Encore deffo. its just tracks like bagpipes from baghdad tht ruin it. hes better than this !

[Evan C.]

Anyone who thinks Deja Vu wasn't the best song on Relapse is an idiot.

Anybody who makes a statement like this is a fucking idiot.

You're NOT a bigot you say? lmfao.

I can understand the song not being everyone's personal favorite on the album for whatever reason, but no other song on the album is really arguably better...My Mom, maybe? Nope. While I like the song it isn't nearly as good as Eminem explaining his drug use and absence in a triumphant return to his classic style.

Deja Vu is the exact song he needed to make, and he fully delivered. People who don't "get into" the song baffle me...and I've noticed that a lot of these people also love songs like Beautiful, Elevator, or My Darling. Down is up and black is white to them I suppose.

[EminemBase]

I can understand the song not being everyone's personal favorite on the album for whatever reason, but no other song on the album is really arguably better...My Mom, maybe? Nope. While I like the song it isn't nearly as good as Eminem explaining his drug use and absence in a triumphant return to his classic style.

Deja Vu is the exact song he needed to make, and he fully delivered. People who don't "get into" the song baffle me...and I've noticed that a lot of these people also love songs like Beautiful, Elevator, or My Darling. Down is up and black is white to them I suppose.

Better in what sense though. It's a vague, subjective term. You can't just say it's better because you'd rather here him talk about personal issues and because he does in that song, therefore it's better.

If we're talking lyrics or flow then "Stay Wide Awake" is better in both departments for me. "Deja Vu" arguably has the best chorus or one of, easily. I wouldn't say it's the best song though.

So if you preferred Em talking about rape and murder... "Stay Wide Awake" may be better. You can't really just say it's better based only on content. That's totally personal taste. There's songs with better irony, just take "Same Song & Dance" for one. I mean, what I was missing from him was self-depricating wit, irony and pure rhyme-skills. Not personal introspection. We had years of it.

So the best songs for me aren't just gonna be the ones where he bears his soul.

[Evan C.]

Better in what sense though. It's a vague, subjective term. You can't just say it's better because you'd rather here him talk about personal issues and because he does in that song, therefore it's better.

I didn't say that I like it merely because he talks about personal issues...Eminem has loads of personal songs that fucking suck. Deja Vu is great because he talks about serious things while also stringing together clever rhymes and he delivers the song well.

If we're talking lyrics or flow then "Stay Wide Awake" is better in both departments for me. "Deja Vu" arguably has the best chorus or one of, easily. I wouldn't say it's the best song though.

How's that? He rhymes well on Stay Wide Awake but the song itself is about nothing, basically. It's just his usual material he says in a number of other recent songs...I appreciate his attempts to push himself to rhyme entire bars but it just isn't really memorable.

On Deja Vu he rhymes multis almost every bar and has a coherent point and story to go with it...and the slower, distinct flow of it was a lot more interesting to me.

So if you preferred Em talking about rape and murder... "Stay Wide Awake" may be better. You can't really just say it's better based only on content. That's totally personal taste.

And having that personal taste would make you an idiot. Eminem songs about rape and murder are a dime-a-dozen these days...deeply personal songs with thoughtful, creative, and genius rhymes to go with are not. That's like someone preferring to have a room filled with aluminum rather than a room full of gold.

There's songs with better irony, just take "Same Song & Dance" for one. I mean, what I was missing from him was self-depricating wit, irony and pure rhyme-skills. Not personal introspection. We had years of it.

See, your problem is you ramble on and start to not make sense. "Better irony"? What? How does Same Song And Dance have that? What's witty about that song? It's basically just a concept song with verses dedicated to different female celebrities. Neat idea, but it wasn't executed in a very interesting way. Deja Vu is better than Same Song And Dance in basically every way possible.

So the best songs for me aren't just gonna be the ones where he bears his soul.

Not necessarily the case with me either, but on Relapse, Deja Vu didn't really have a hell of a lot of competition. Relapse had 1 great song, a couple good songs, then lot o mediocre ones that were only good for a few listens.

[EminemInsider]

I can understand the song not being everyone's personal favorite on the album for whatever reason, but no other song on the album is really arguably better...My Mom, maybe? Nope. While I like the song it isn't nearly as good as Eminem explaining his drug use and absence in a triumphant return to his classic style.

Deja Vu is the exact song he needed to make, and he fully delivered. People who don't "get into" the song baffle me...and I've noticed that a lot of these people also love songs like Beautiful, Elevator, or My Darling. Down is up and black is white to them I suppose.

Better in what sense though. It's a vague, subjective term. You can't just say it's better because you'd rather here him talk about personal issues and because he does in that song, therefore it's better.

If we're talking lyrics or flow then "Stay Wide Awake" is better in both departments for me. "Deja Vu" arguably has the best chorus or one of, easily. I wouldn't say it's the best song though.

So if you preferred Em talking about rape and murder... "Stay Wide Awake" may be better. You can't really just say it's better based only on content. That's totally personal taste. There's songs with better irony, just take "Same Song & Dance" for one. I mean, what I was missing from him was self-depricating wit, irony and pure rhyme-skills. Not personal introspection. We had years of it.

So the best songs for me aren't just gonna be the ones where he bears his soul.

You're the first rapper after the first chorus, I take it?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE4zF36dPxE

[EminemBase]

I didn't say that I like it merely because he talks about personal issues...Eminem has loads of personal songs that fucking suck. Deja Vu is great because he talks about serious things while also stringing together clever rhymes and he delivers the song well.

Fair enough but all I care about is how it's done and I think other songs are done better.

How's that? He rhymes well on Stay Wide Awake but the song itself is about nothing, basically. It's just his usual material he says in a number of other recent songs...I appreciate his attempts to push himself to rhyme entire bars but it just isn't really memorable.

Again, this is back to content though. I've listened to enough of personal Eminem material over the past few years. 2002-2005 especially. So I want to hear psycho material.

So to me, it just comes down to the execution. And the use of irony, twisted humour, visual imagery, actual rhyming and flow are much better in this song than "Deja Vu", probably the best on the album.

It's also a story too. There's a narrative to it, that's why on the last verse he's like "Now I use power-tools how bout now are you in the shower?". The lyricism in the song is so beautiful and I know it needs to be a combination but it's SO good in this song, it makes it the best track for me.

Things like "I'm crazy but it's alright with me man life can be so empty / stay away from me cuz I'm dancing to quite a different drum beat" and "such nostalgia and power, such prowess, look how you cower" are such fantastic poetry... It beats "Deja Vu".

And having that personal taste would make you an idiot. Eminem songs about rape and murder are a dime-a-dozen these days...deeply personal songs with thoughtful, creative, and genius rhymes to go with are not. That's like someone preferring to have a room filled with aluminum rather than a room full of gold.

No you're not an idiot if you prefer horrocore rap to personal rap. You're an idiot for saying that. That's the definition of bigotry. You're saying anybody who doesn't share your personal taste is an idiot.

Yes murder songs by him are a dime-a-dozen NOW but they weren't. Everything from 2002-2005 was pure personal rap. I've heard him moan enough about Kim, his mom, Halie an fame. Well enough, there's not really any more spins he can put on it.

People forget so quickly. After things like "When I'm Gone" people were all saying they wish he'd go back to crazy psychotic shit and now he has they miss the personal stuff. He's done the personal stuff to death, time for a new phase.

I did prefer some of the personal stuff when it was the right time like "Soldier" etc. But we're past that now, right now, I want psychotic shit and I'm not an 'idiot' for wanting that.

See, your problem is you ramble on and start to not make sense. "Better irony"? What? How does Same Song And Dance have that? What's witty about that song? It's basically just a concept song with verses dedicated to different female celebrities. Neat idea, but it wasn't executed in a very interesting way. Deja Vu is better than Same Song And Dance in basically every way possible.

No I do make sense. Yes better irony, better use of it. Better sense of irony and wit.

"Same Song & Dance" is a pisstake obviously, of those songs that are just the 'same song and dance' and whilst being a slant against 'that', the chorus ironically sounds like 'the same song and dance' but it's with a twist and it's about a woman doing the 'same song and dance' in a car before he murders her.

Lmao and the twisted humour in it is beautiful. "Just as soon as you pass out in ya alphabet soup" - This is the Eminem I've been missing. The Eminem that made me laugh from irony and sick, twisted, clever tongue-in-cheek humour as apposed to costumes and fart noises.

There's so many better songs than "Deja Vu" BUT, it is a great song. I love it.

[Emadyville]

Relapse just didn't hit me where it should have.

In the testicles?

Relapse just didn't hit me where it should have.

In the testicles?

Aren't you funny?

Relapse just didn't hit me where it should have.

In the testicles?

wow haha good one

this is all spam, leave it out of topics, you're not contributing when u say shit like this, this is your informal warning

[Evan C.]

Again, this is back to content though. I've listened to enough of personal Eminem material over the past few years. 2002-2005 especially. So I want to hear psycho material.

So to me, it just comes down to the execution. And the use of irony, twisted humour, visual imagery, actual rhyming and flow are much better in this song than "Deja Vu", probably the best on the album.

It's also a story too. There's a narrative to it, that's why on the last verse he's like "Now I use power-tools how bout now are you in the shower?". The lyricism in the song is so beautiful and I know it needs to be a combination but it's SO good in this song, it makes it the best track for me.

Things like "I'm crazy but it's alright with me man life can be so empty / stay away from me cuz I'm dancing to quite a different drum beat" and "such nostalgia and power, such prowess, look how you cower" are such fantastic poetry... It beats "Deja Vu".

You're really bizarre. Fantastic poetry? Beautiful? The terms you use to describe a random serial killer song are hilarious. It's not fucking 97 B&C or Kim, is just rapping for the sake of rapping. You're reaching.

No you're not an idiot if you prefer horrocore rap to personal rap. You're an idiot for saying that. That's the definition of bigotry. You're saying anybody who doesn't share your personal taste is an idiot.

Yes murder songs by him are a dime-a-dozen NOW but they weren't. Everything from 2002-2005 was pure personal rap. I've heard him moan enough about Kim, his mom, Halie an fame. Well enough, there's not really any more spins he can put on it.

It's not personal taste...to rap ABOUT something while keeping a complex rhyme scheme takes a lot more talent and effort than it does to rhyme multis every bar when you're just writing with your bread-and-butter subject matter (serial killing/pills in the case of current Eminem.)

And 2002-2005 was pure personal rap? Bwahahaha...OK. I guess I need to re-listen to My 1st Single, Big Weenie, and Fack. I missed the personal parts of those songs.

People forget so quickly. After things like "When I'm Gone" people were all saying they wish he'd go back to crazy psychotic shit and now he has they miss the personal stuff. He's done the personal stuff to death, time for a new phase.

Wow, you're just fucking out there stupid. The smart people who didn't like When I'm Gone weren't complaining about the subject matter, they were complaining about the horrible lyrics and his lack of energy in his delivery.

I did prefer some of the personal stuff when it was the right time like "Soldier" etc. But we're past that now, right now, I want psychotic shit and I'm not an 'idiot' for wanting that.

There's nothing wrong with having non-personal songs, but to say that the serious, personal songs are "played out" is just retarded. As long as he's able to come up with fresh concepts delivered in an interesting way they'll never get old. The same goes for non-personal songs, those are fine as long as they aren't predictable and oversaturated, which is the territory Eminem's began to get into in the Relapse era.

No I do make sense. Yes better irony, better use of it. Better sense of irony and wit.

"Same Song & Dance" is a pisstake obviously, of those songs that are just the 'same song and dance' and whilst being a slant against 'that', the chorus ironically sounds like 'the same song and dance' but it's with a twist and it's about a woman doing the 'same song and dance' in a car before he murders her.

Lmao and the twisted humour in it is beautiful. "Just as soon as you pass out in ya alphabet soup" - This is the Eminem I've been missing. The Eminem that made me laugh from irony and sick, twisted, clever tongue-in-cheek humour as apposed to costumes and fart noises.

There's so many better songs than "Deja Vu" BUT, it is a great song. I love it.

Huh? 'Pisstake'? The song wasn't really witty, and there wasn't any irony (not that there needs to be...this is what I was talking about when i called you bizarre and non-sensical.)

[EminemBase]

^ Evan. C, I can't be bothered mate.

We clearly have views which we can't convince each other to change on. So is this back and forth thing really worth it.

No, it's not. I'm keeping it civil, but I can't be fucked with it now.

You think "Deja Vu" is the best on the album, I don't. And you have your reasons, to which I have 100 refutes to which you have 100 refutes back and so on...

Lets just leave it as, we disagree lmao.

[Emadyville]

Relapse wasn't that great, but Same Song & Dance, Insane, Underground and Bagpipes From Baghdad outshone the rest of the album, by a lot.

Best argument on this topic, like u read my mind

Altho I'd add CAB, just cause I really like that song

[xxTrigger1989xx]

If you listen to it like a concept record it's great. It was his best full album IMO. I liked TES and MMLP better because they had better songs but this was a great album as a whole. You can't really just listen to one song, you have to listen to the whole thing all the way through to truly appriciate it.

I thought DeJa Vu was the best song on the whole record. Same Song and Dance was so dope to me, My Mom, Insane,I thought Beautiful was good but I didn't like the third verse. It was obvious that he wrote that at a later time and it kind of killed the song for me.

I completely agree with the first paragraph. I say that all the time. Conceptually, he's on point. It works as a whole album and never strays far from the concept. You have to put yourself into his world to completely appreciate the album. If you listen to it with a completely open mind, and listen to it as if you were being told one big story, or a bunch of little stories, then you'll have a better understanding. I eventually did that and think Relapse was brilliant and it needed to be made. Though the accent did kinda get old, but I did get used to it. I'm just glad he's dropping that shit for Relapse 2, I'm sure it'll be a classic