Why did jesus die on a cross?

[BabyBLue91]

Nothing was claimed about the pagan myth resurrection until after the New Testament was written. The Bible never says Jesus was born on december 25th. I honestly cant remember, but they said some Greek Gods were born a virgin birth & they were not. A lot of their comparisons didnt seem on point. I know my explanation probably didnt help much, but I'm sure someone can explain it a little better..

Anyway, just trying to answer your question david, not trying to start a debate here because it wont go anywhere with the discussion of Jesus & religion

No. All religions of the world had a story of ressurection of good or evil, expecting the absolute chaos, after the war good vs evil. For christians is the second appearance, for Greeks the return of the Titans, for Egyptians who knows something i am sure, for the Norse its Ragnarok so on so on so on. Every religion had its apocalypse of some sort.

Many greek gods were born virgin, including Athena who was born from the head of Zeus, hence why she was the goddess of wisdom.

And christmas is celebrated on 25th December because the Romans decided to do so, having the birth of christ matching the date for the celebration of their victorious Sun.

But the examples they gave in the video were not right. I'm pretty sure the actual resurrections of other Gods didnt come up until 100 years after the orgin of Christianity. & even if they came before, I still dont believe the New Testament copied them. I

If you disagree.. what kind of facts were you talking about that were 'kinda false?'

[Tash8]

religion does nothing but create war

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

religion does nothing but create war

Religions don't create wars, people do.

[BabyBLue91]

religion does nothing but create war

Religions don't create wars, people do.

yes, thank you.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

religion does nothing but create war

Religions don't create wars, people do.

Yeah, over religions....

That's like responding to the "guns don't kill people, people do" argument by saying
"Yeah they do, with guns..."

But people will always find ways to kill each other, so guns aren't to blame, sick fucks are, among other types.

Same thing here.

If people didn't have religion to fight over they'd find something else to fight over.

Blame the people for their actions, not for their reasons behind them.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

But if people didn't die because of religious wars, we'd be devastatingly overpopulated.
Would you rather have an unsustainable planet or a few million people dying over religion here and there?
hmm...

Religion doesn't seem so bad now, does it.
Without it, life as we know it may be extinct.

[Mr. Chambers]

religion was just made to help keep control over people...if you tell people there is an almighty power that can strike down their life at any moment...and give them "guidelines" or "laws" that will keep them safe from such punishments...they'll abide by them just to stay alive....becuz...well...people don't wanna die...regardless of what religion you are there is always still a little anxiety or fear over death.....some people believe in god for comfort...thats cool....some people find comfort in thinking that this is it.....and then you got the confused people who go back and forth and can never decide....i always try to avoid religion arguments...becuz trying to persuade someone who already has their mind made up that god does or doesn't exist is pointless, and unless thrown hardcore evidence for either argument, just doesn't change their point of view....

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

Face it Quinn, I won and you know it.
It's man's instinct to kill, religion is just one of the many excuses.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

Face it Quinn, I won and you know it.
It's man's instinct to kill, religion is just one of the many excuses.

You didn't win shit . Go look it up. This isn't a gun we're talking about religion is deadlier. Yes, man will kill even after religion is gone but they won't fly planes into buildings because some Santa Claus in the sky told them to.

You say "what if's" aren't important, but they are.
History is written by the winners, remember?
Think of the Crusades for example.
The purpose was to aquire complete Christianity throughout the Roman Empire, but that's only what we're told.
What about the conquering of new territories?
What about the discovery of natural resources?
What about the possibility of finding foreign lands to trade with?
What about the accommodation for the youth bulge effect?
What if all of the above reasons were the real reasons for the Roman Empire and the Franks to begin the Crusades, but religious reasons are all that's historically remembered?
You can't be so naive as to believe everything in the history books.
In war, religion is just a scapegoat for nonbelievers to point their fingers at when they know damn well all the economic benefits of war.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

I didn't read your post I only read the first sentence....

That's why I win and you lose, because you can't defeat my arguments.
You simply turn to insults.
I know for a fact that you read my whole post, but I'll repost my closing line anyway.

In war, religion is just a scapegoat for nonbelievers to point their fingers at when they know damn well all the economic benefits of war.

I bet that's when you panicked:
"Oh no, I don't want to admit he's right, so I'll just say I didn't read it. Ooh, and I'll even purposely mention books to make him think to himself that I would NEVER have mentioned reading books if he just did in his previous post. And hey, If he figures it out, I can always just say I stopped reading the post he makes one after me."

Sorry, I guess you didn't realize who you were dealing with.
Anyway, who's my next victim at the GGGG slaughterhouse?

[2sDay]

Me! can I be slaughtered?

[Mr. Chambers]

and after all this arguing...i'm willing to bet anything GGGG and menzo hold the same belief...and adam quinn still holds his own beliefs......so tech. i win...and i wasn't even in the argument








now who wants to step into the chambers slaughterhouse?

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

and after all this arguing...i'm willing to bet anything GGGG and menzo hold the same belief...and adam quinn still holds his own beliefs......so tech. i win...and i wasn't even in the argument








now who wants to step into the chambers slaughterhouse?

That's the strange thing. The purpose of debating isn't converting your opponent, but rendering him bereft of retaliation.

I'm too busy with my own slaughterhouse to deal with anyone else's.

[Mr. Chambers]

^not always true...though that is the MAIN reason for debating, it still uses the same strategy as trying to persuade someone, whether it's who your debating, or other people simply enjoying the debate. You attack with harsh, in your face facts that both help your argument and discredit your opponents.


its ok...i amaze myself @ times....and i went to PUBLIC SCHOOL!

[Tash8]

ohhhh the hate that religion brings...i love you all religion, why couldn't all religions love all other religions/non-religions.